About serving on a jury (on DU)

[question everything]

It happened again. A post was voted 4-3 to leave it. But what bothers me, again, is the lack of explanation. Especially under the "hide" vote. I think that if a DUer agree to serve on a jury and votes to hide, the least one can offer is an explanation. I always do. If one is short of time, one should decline the summon.

Personally, I've voted only twice to hide a post. In most cases I suggest that the complainer rebut the point if it really bothers him. I would like to consider DU as a place of debate, of asking questions and of being informed. And, in many cases, when I view the complaint, I roll my eyes. Is this really worth the complaint? Perhaps it is an age difference. Some of us realize, at some point, that many issues are not worth getting steamed.

Oh well.

[badtoworse]

1. I've voted to hide many posts, usually because the poster was being insulting and rude.

Many times that was so obvious that I didn't think an explanation was needed.

[seaglass]

6. Agree. I very rarely add a comment, it's not necessary. The majority of comments I see on juries

are not enlightening and many of them are downright nasty.

[2naSalit]

7. I agree

with your comment and the one you responded to. I have rarely offered an explanation unless there seems to be some ambiguity to the alert and the allegedly offending post.

[seaglass]

8. I suppose we could say "me too" or "not me" if that makes people happy. :-) n/t

[2naSalit]

10. Indeed.

Maybe I'll try that next time, depending on the circumstances, of course.

[question everything]

17. If some of the comments are nasty

and I don't remember seeing any - my luck? - if you do not add yours it may be interpreted that you agree with the nasty comment. I think that adding a - dare I say civil?- comment, you can remove some of the nastiness of the others.

[kcr]

28. Agreed

I also hate it when people vote leave posts that should be hiddedn, and say things like "Debate the poster" DU is going down the shithole because of this.

[question everything]

15. I understand. But then, why not add this comment

that it rude and insulting?

What is obvious to one is not necessarily to others, especially if the vote is not 7-0.

I think it is more polite to add a comment.

[badtoworse]

18. I'll take that into account going forward.

[upaloopa]

2. Looks to me like the jury system is just an extention

of the food fights and pissing contests going on here.
So many people come to this board for only one purpose and that is for verbal combat.
The jury system is just part it the game.

[ProfessorGAC]

3. Could Not Disagree More

We don't get to stand in line to get on the juries we want to be on. So i think your way off base with that line of reasoning.

You do know the Admins do keep an eye on the jury system, right?

That sort of statement seems to demand some proof.
GAC

[upaloopa]

13. I get my opinion from reading posts

about the jury system. I read that people alert posts they disagree with. If so it is an extension of the argument.

[ProfessorGAC]

31. That May Be

And i would agree with that, but not sure how the jury is implicated in the behavior of stalkers or nuisance alerters.

[Lil Missy]

4. An explanation is not required. You accept that 4 out of 7 people thought it should be hidden. n/t

[question everything]

19. Not that it matters, my comment is in general

but I did not alert. I rarely do. I was a member of the jury. And.. it was 4-3 to leave it, not to hide it.

[MineralMan]

5. It's good to comment when you vote on a jury.

It's not a requirement, though, and probably shouldn't be. The DU Admins, I'm sure, discussed that before setting the jury system up. I comment on every jury I participate on, but I'm a wordy son of a gun, anyhow.

[madokie]

9. I'm sort of a wordy kind of fella too

and sometimes I comment, sometimes I don't, sometimes what ever the beef is warrants an explanation sometimes not.

If someone is being an asshole or a jackass they'll get a vote to hide from me. If its just a disagreement that caused the alert then probably not

Assholes and opinions sometimes are a lot alike, some stink some not so much

[Capt. Obvious]

11. Was it this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5755421

[question everything]

22. It was a general comment, see my reply #19, above (nt)

[petronius]

12. I often leave a comment when hiding (and frequently when leaving as well)

When I don't it's typically for one of the following:

1) the hide or leave is just really really obvious, and/or
2) the alerter made it crystal clear and I've nothing to add, and/or
3) it's patently obvious that neither the alerter, nor the alertee, nor anyone in the thread will care what I have to say.

(That last one is for those food-fight, turf-war, ongoing-DU-drama, alert-stalking, types of alerts/threads...)

[question everything]

23. Oh, I think that it does - your reason #3

I rarely alert, but at one time it was significant and I posted it for others to see. The post was in a group where members should feel safe and protected from the nastiness of the outside world - i.e. GD. And, indeed, the jurors agreed with this reasoning.

[Nye Bevan]

14. I try to leave a comment most of the time.

The only times I don't are when the reason is completely obvious ("Hey, my sister's friend made $5600 last month posting links on the internet!&quot or when I am in the middle of something and accessing DU on my cellphone and I really don't have time to comment.

[GitRDun]

16. I always comment too

I figure one of the two people will disagree with my decision; the alerter and the original poster. Makes sense to tell them why I voted the way I did.

I also figure it helps people see what jurors are thinking, maybe cut down on future alerts because they know what will likely get hidden.

[Yo_Mama]

20. I'll try to do better on the commenting

Love your screen name, btw.

[question everything]

24. Thanks (nt)

[Cleita]

21. I agree.

Many disagreements should be debated not alerted on. This was how the system once worked. It's purpose was to alert on trolls, not settle grudges or push ones agenda forward. Yet it has been abused since DU3 in exactly that way.

[question everything]

25. at least the unrec function is gone

I thought that it was in contrast the rules of respecting other DUers.

I actually read a post of someone who, at first agreed with the comment but than added: oh, it is you, so I am going to unrec.

Let's be honest. Some DUers will have their posts rec even if all they say is "good morning." And some DUers - was the opposite.

[geek tragedy]

26. One doesn't need a reason to hide or leave.

If one simply likes or dislikes a party to an exchange, that's sufficient basis for casting a vote. Jurors are free to ignore the Terms of Service if they disagree with the TOS, per site admins.

[question everything]

27. That's a given

But I think it matters to the alerter and it is polite and civil to add an explanation.

One does not have to help an old lady cross the street. It is polite and civil.

[MadrasT]

29. I rarely leave a comment when I vote to hide.

A vote to hide without additional comment means I agreed with the alerter's comments. More words aren't required.

I do add comments when I vote to leave it, because then I am disagreeing with the alerter and thus I explain why.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

30. I know what one you are talking about...

And I didn't push the right button to add my explanation. And I didn't double check.
Go ahead.. rack me over the coals...