A man's right to change diapers is on the ballot in North Dakota?

[liberal N proud]

WOW!

North Dakota measure 6 would "create a presumption that each parent is a fit parent and entitled to be awarded equal parental rights and responsibilities by a court unless there is clear and convincing evidence to the contrary." In plain English: It's one of the first major legislative pushes by the emerging men's rights movement. The proposal, which failed in 2006, has the backing of groups like the National Coalition for Men and a A Voice for Men (which cut an ad in support). The measure had the support of 44 percent of voters in October, short of the 50 percent it needs to pass.


This and other weird initiatives on the ballot today around the nation here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/midterm-elections-bears-booze-cash-weed-congress

Can you catch a bear with a doughnut?

[geomon666]

1. Didn't realize that was a problem.

Maybe in North Dakota?

[liberal N proud]

2. Shocked me

When our kids were babies, I probably changed as many diapers as my wife did. We were a team.


Who ever smelled it dealt with it.

[SomethingFishy]

16. Us too...

I really feel for single parents, never having that moment of relief when your spouse can take over for a few...

[Recursion]

13. It's just about the only real point MRA's have, but it's a fair one (nt)

[pnwmom]

62. Can a man nurse a baby? I think a breastfeeding mother should be favored

till the baby is weaned.

(Breastfeeding won't succeed on a day-on, day-off basis, so that's not a good option.)

[MineralMan]

3. Maybe they need a law REQUIRING men

to change diapers.

[VanillaRhapsody]

5. ^^^THAT^^^^

Would make more sense....

[MineralMan]

6. Might cut down the birth rate, too.

Ewwww!

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. yes considering women still do 75%

Of household duties including child rearing...

[liberal N proud]

9. I guess, I was ahead of the curve on this one

We have always been a two income household and if I didn't help out, things would have been pretty rough.

I also sat through many a dance class. What is wrong with a father/husband that they don't participate? I guess that some would consider me a wimp.

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. you wte an exception to the rule..

[MrNJ]

4. Not a bad idea.

As a man I was just as capable as my wife to care for the kids.
I don't see why people like me should be discriminated against.

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. how are you soooo

"Descriminated against"?

[Recursion]

14. In child custody cases? That is really the one actual point MRA's have (nt)

[VanillaRhapsody]

17. still doesnt answer the question

And are you MRA? Because that would explain alot...let us know when YOU can carry a pregnancy to term and then breasfeed....

[Recursion]

19. No, I'm not, and that wouldn't explain anything

[VanillaRhapsody]

20. yes it would.....we will just mark you down as

MRA Sympathizer...or MRA aligned...

[Recursion]

22. Again, no. See my posts in HOF if you actually think that

It's kind of funny, really.

MRAs are complete scumbags and I have nothing at all to do with them.

[VanillaRhapsody]

23. aligned or sympathizer?

[Recursion]

24. I hate them (nt)

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. apparently not...you have fallen for thier

Propaganda...

[Recursion]

28. No, I'm just a child of divorce. That said, I hate the language of parental "rights"

Parents have responsibilities, not rights.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. and I am not.....so?

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. Don't waste your time with this one. n/t

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

53. No, parents have "rights" and "responsibilities"

Every parent should have the right to share in rearing his or her children unless proven unfit.

In fact, I would say that parenting ones own children 's one of the highest of human rights.

[kcr]

43. Actually they don't.

When men fight for custody they usually get it. In fact, they tend to have an advantage in court.

[Scout]

64. correct.

when men actually WANT custody and fight for it, they win more often than not.

[LanternWaste]

69. If only eight percent of father's request custody, how does one rationalize a court bias?

If only eight percent of father's request custody, how does one rationalize a court bias?

[Lancero]

70. Ever have a resteraunt worker call the police on you because they though you kidnapped a kid?

It's a story my parents told me, happened when I was a baby, but apparently a restaurant worker thought my dad carrying me into the bathroom was mighty suspicious.

Cops walked in on him changing my diaper.

This was a long time ago, so values have changed a lot since then. It's still a issue in other countries, (Mexico's supreme court having recently ruled on a related case) but in the US the idea of a mother always being the superior caretaker is mostly obsolete.

[pnwmom]

63. Could you nurse your babies?

[dilby]

11. Not sure what the problem is, it looks like this guarnatees 50/50 custody of a child.

Would solve a lot of problems where parents would not have to fight so hard to get access to their children which includes women and men. This just makes by default if parents are splitting they both have 50% custody unless it can be proven that the other parent is unfit.

[dawg]

12. Stopped clock is right two times a day.

A person's gender is irrelevant to their ability to be a good parent.

[VanillaRhapsody]

21. except for that whole birthing and breastfeeding

Part...

[dawg]

26. There are lots of women who are unable to give birth or to breastfeed, who, nonetheless ...

make excellent parents.

Likewise, there are many women who easily give birth and can breastfeed who turn out to be terrible parents.

Being able to give birth doesn't automatically make someone a better parent.

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. and how many men CAN do those things?

[dilby]

34. This one did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Beatie

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. breastfed ir birthed?

[dilby]

36. Yep, in 2005 he did. You can read the link. n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

44. no it didnt say he did either....

I am guessing cesearian and no breastfeeding. Besides thats an outliar..thats a former woman now a man ..

[dilby]

46. No that is a man, please don't be disrespectful to the trans community. n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

48. nothing disrespectful about pointing out HOW

This person was able to give birth....


Your accusation aint working...

[dawg]

41. So, are you saying that women are inherently better parents?

Because if that's what you're saying, you are a sexist and you are wrong.

[VanillaRhapsody]

45. do your breasts leak when the baby cries?

[Seeking Serenity]

51. Yes, she is.

And I agree with you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

72. do yor breasts leak when the baby cries?

A built in alarm system....

[Seeking Serenity]

73. Not now, they're well beyond breastfeeding age.

But I don't think mine leaked over that kind of stimulus when they were (mine leaked most of the time anyway, when I was just sitting around. Bra shield makers made book on me).

[VanillaRhapsody]

74. but for msny they....its in all the books

Surely you've read about it...its evolutionary...

[jmowreader]

15. It's not about diapers. It's about custody.

And to answer your second question: HELL YES you can catch bears with doughnuts - bears love sweets.

[Travis_0004]

18. Hopefully it passes

Men often get screwed in child custody cases. If both parents are responsible, it should always be split 50/50 custody.

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. right the whole 75% of women still do 75% of all

Child rearing married or not......poor poor putupon men..

[Travis_0004]

37. I have no clue what you just said.

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. yes you do...

You know exactly....

Women STILL do most of the household work even when they work full time jobs themselves ...

[Travis_0004]

49. Since this issue involves divorce, what does that have to do with anything?

If two parents are divorced and fighting for custody, they probably dont live in the same house and are not sharing household chores.

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. because now matter how you slice it...

Women do more for less. Including respect......perhaps if they got some they wouldnt be divorced.


You do realze as well that financially women do worse than their male counterparts after divorce....

[Travis_0004]

54. Thats unrelated to this issue

That can be solved through alimony.

[VanillaRhapsody]

55. no it is NOT

And if you were a woman and not MRA you would know that...

[Travis_0004]

57. Im not a MRA

I just dont see a problem with a man getting 50% custody if he is a fit parent.

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. and this is wsolution looking for a problem...

Ike voter fraud...

[MattBaggins]

30. Is 50/50 good for the children?

HEY PARENTS. It's not about you. The courts should have ONLY ONE CONCERN; the welfare of the children.

[Travis_0004]

33. I think it is good for the children to see both the parents

Provided both the parents are responsible.

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. most of the time when they dont

Its the fathers choice not the mothers...

[pnwmom]

65. What if the child is a nursing baby? Should the baby be deprived

of breastfeeding because the father wants equal time?

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

58. Actually it is in the best interest of children

to assume that it is in their best interest to have both parents in their lives, unless one parent is proven unfit.

Furthermore, I think it is a HUMAN RIGHT to share in the parenting of one's own children. If that is not a fundamental right, I'm not sure what is.

[LanternWaste]

67. Only eight percent of fathers request custody.

"Men often get screwed in child custody cases..."

Only eight percent of fathers request custody. (Child Custody Evaluation- New Theoretical Applications by Daniel Hynan)

Easy to get screwed when you put your head in the sand-- or stick to the same, unsupported, unsourced, bumper-sticker myths whenever the conversation comes up.

[Kalidurga]

32. So this isn't about putting changing stations in men's bathrooms?

I could get behind that. Otherwise they are trying to legislate a fait accompli.

[bullwinkle428]

40. When did David Vitter move out of Louisiana?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

47. I smell a rat.

But not a diaper. Some guy thought this up so if it fails, he can tell his wife 'Sorry, law says I can't change em.'

[dilby]

50. Law is not for married couples, it gives 50/50 custody to both parents by default in cases

of divorce or separation.

[IdaBriggs]

60. Ah, and also intended to "protect" men who don't marry pregnant girlfriends?

This could get ugly...

[dilby]

61. Not sure how that is viewed as protecting men.

Sometimes it's the pregnant girlfriend who doesn't want to marry the man. If she/he does not want to marry the other it does not excuse their responsibility of being a parent.

[IdaBriggs]

66. There was a case a while ago where some famous guy

Tried to stop his ex-fling from leaving the state because she was pregnant with his child; if I recall correctly, she moved to New York for school, but he wanted child custody done in California, but if the mom had residence in New York, and the baby was born there, then...big mess.

If this bill (which I know nothing about) is supposed to say that newborns should be 50/50 custody regardless of the marital status of the parents, this is going to get ugly fast because a) hormones and breast feeding, and b) other women dating baby daddy's developing emotional bonds with young children is a recipe for new mommy's going crazy during a time when they are biologically programmed to protect their offspring (and truthfully, the same can be said of baby-momma's boyfriends - sigh).

So I am going with "ugly" because yes, this type of stuff gets ugly...

[dilby]

68. Not sure how a case like that would work out.

But I have seen many cases where wealthy fathers threaten ex-wives with getting sole custody of children then go to the courts knowing the mother could not afford it. This would eliminate those instances where a woman loses her children solely based on not being able to have the finances to fight it.

[A Little Weird]

71. I remember that

It was the Olympic skiier Bode Miller. I never heard how it turned out in the end.

[Initech]

56. And Wal-Mart is attempting to buy influence in the schools here in California.

Fuck that shit.