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Dems are going to hold on to the Senate (Original Post) malaise Nov 2014 OP
Even a 50/50 won't change much. In fact, very little will change regardless of how the rest of the morningfog Nov 2014 #1
I really don't think its about the messaging. PragmaticLiberal Nov 2014 #4
It is the candidate's job to get reach them and build winning coalitions. morningfog Nov 2014 #12
It is, but it isn't. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #15
i hope so, but Tweety is always on top of it still_one Nov 2014 #2
I'm afraid that's all but impossible at this point Reter Nov 2014 #3
get bent Ellipsis Nov 2014 #7
I'll be happy if we can just deny them 60. Jester Messiah Nov 2014 #5
Yes - that is more realistic. jillan Nov 2014 #9
Remember how loudly they wailed about "UP OR DOWN VOTE" under Bushy? Roland99 Nov 2014 #17
I am not giving up libtodeath Nov 2014 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #11
hopefully if Warner can hang on... book_worm Nov 2014 #8
Red States are gonna do what Red States do... Kalidurga Nov 2014 #10
Democrats would need to win two of the following states Savannahmann Nov 2014 #13
one of the denver news stations just said udall (d) is up with the early ballots fizzgig Nov 2014 #16
That would be the best news ever. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #14
I'm more interested in my local races, federally a split power in congress and the president Johonny Nov 2014 #18
Hopeful for Alaska. Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #19
It won't help at this stage malaise Nov 2014 #21
It will help Alaskans. Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #22
I'd like to see that road. maced666 Nov 2014 #20
I wish. Rhinodawg Nov 2014 #23
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. Even a 50/50 won't change much. In fact, very little will change regardless of how the rest of the
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:07 PM
Nov 2014

night goes.

Repugs have been obstructionists, they will do more of the same. This should have been the Dems election to end obstruction and make real progress. It could have been a simple message. They blew it.

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
4. I really don't think its about the messaging.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:12 PM
Nov 2014

Quite frankly, I think the electorate (in many ways) are children.

Yeah, I don't have much faith in the populace.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
12. It is the candidate's job to get reach them and build winning coalitions.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:17 PM
Nov 2014

I always blame the candidate, not the voter. The voters are known quantities. We have demographics, public opinion and voting habits well studied and documented.

It is up to the candidate to work within those parameters to build support over 50%.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
15. It is, but it isn't.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:19 PM
Nov 2014

The populace wants crap reporting, but it used to be good reporting still gave them both what they wanted and needed to know.

Now, that doesn't matter.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
5. I'll be happy if we can just deny them 60.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:12 PM
Nov 2014

Though I expect they'll nuke the filibuster as soon as they get the chance. There's no way this ends well.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
17. Remember how loudly they wailed about "UP OR DOWN VOTE" under Bushy?
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:22 PM
Nov 2014

And how loudly they wailed when the talk came up of the nuclear option more recently??

Not that Repukes are shy from being hypocritical.

They'll just launch some more Benghazi investigations and try to impeach Obama for improper military salutes...

Response to libtodeath (Reply #6)

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
10. Red States are gonna do what Red States do...
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:17 PM
Nov 2014

If Democrats make any headway whatsoever in deep Red territory then it's a victory. That being said I think the Dems have this they will hold, but lose seats in Republican territory.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
13. Democrats would need to win two of the following states
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:18 PM
Nov 2014

Georgia, Louisiana, Colorado, or Alaska.

Alaska is purportedly difficult to poll, which puts it into the possible.

Now, that leaves one more must win among the other three. Landrieu who insulted the voters. Or Colorado where Senator Udall was heckled by his biggest donor. Or Georgia.

But there is still Kansas as the spoiler.

Let's say that the Republicans have 50 seats after tonight not counting the expected runoffs in Louisiana and Georgia. What if Orman offers to caucus with the Republicans in exchange for a ranking membership on a committee? I offered that observation weeks ago. It would be a smart move on his part, it puts him solidly up for re-election in a generally speaking red state. Pat Roberts had gone Washington, I don't think he had an address in Kansas. So what would stand Orman who is painfully obviously very much self serving the best?

If Orman did join the Rethugs in that case, what could the Democrats do?

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
16. one of the denver news stations just said udall (d) is up with the early ballots
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:21 PM
Nov 2014

no idea where those ballots are coming from, but it's going to be a long night.

Johonny

(20,833 posts)
18. I'm more interested in my local races, federally a split power in congress and the president
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 10:49 PM
Nov 2014

means two more years of wasted policy chances. Republican voters will get exactly what they want and they'll hate it and blame Obama. I lost respect for anyone that votes Republican years ago. Now I only laugh at them and their shear ignorance and self loathing.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
19. Hopeful for Alaska.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 11:08 PM
Nov 2014

Mark's GOTV effort has been great, and we have popular left-leaning ballot measures. Hope you guys on the east coast plan to stay up late. We still have two more hours of voting.

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