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Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:59 AM

My fear: Because huge numbers of Americans don't even know who's in charge of Congress...

either the House or the Senate, don't understand a thing about how the filibuster has blocked things in Senate up until now, but the one thing they are dimly aware of is that Obama is a Democrat, all of the gridlock, brinksmanship with shutdowns and the debt ceiling, all of the horrible compromises when the gridlock occasionally breaks, the continuing languishing economy because no substantial stimulus or jobs program has been possible, or will be anytime soon -- all of that has been, and will continue to be for next two even worse years -- considered the fault of Democrats in the uniformed/Fox News misinformed minds of way too many voters.

This is just what the Republicans have counted on and are counting on, and so far, it has largely paid off for them. It didn't work to get Romney elected, but that's only because Romney was such a terrible candidate. Apart from not winning the presidency in 2012, the Republicans have found a winning strategy, not caring one bit how destructive for the American people this strategy has been.

As far as I'm concerned, the biggest hope for a Democratic win in 2016 is that the Republican primary process will once again produce a horrible candidate for the general election, and only the huge spotlight of being in the presidential race will highlight that candidate's flaws, perhaps for a brief moment reminding voters with terrible memories how bad Republican policies and proposals are for the 99%.

The next Democratic presidential candidate, if he or she wins, will probably do so with some gains in the Senate and the House, but while regaining the Senate is probable in combination with a Democratic presidential victory, the House will still be badly gerrymandered and very tough to regain.

The mess that the country will be in by 2016 will take a long time to fix, even with full Democratic control of Congress. Things will be even worse with a Senate that's still unlikely to be safe from filibuster and a Republican House.

So, rinse and repeat in 2018 -- the dimly aware/deliberately misled populace punishes Democrats for not fixing the mess in two short years, paying little or no attention to Republican obstructionism, and once again hands the Republicans the power to obstruct even more.

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Silent3 Nov 2014 OP
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #1
Live and Learn Nov 2014 #2
Robbins Nov 2014 #3
Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #4

Response to Silent3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:05 AM

1. This is what I've been saying, but Democrats so hellbent on shoving Hillary down our throats won't


hear it. They think she's got this thing in the bag.

When DUers don't even understand the nuances of governance--and most of them also wrongly blame Obama/the Democrats--what do we think the average American sees who follows politics much less than we do?

In other words, if Democrats on a Democratic message board who are expected to be more politically sophisticated than the average American blames the wrong people for their circumstance, then how can we expect average Americans not to fall prey to corporate media memes?

I still hear people on DU assert than Obama enjoyed majorities in the House and Senate and yet, those same folk do not acknowledge that as a result of the 50 State Strategy, we elected Blue Dog conservatives to the party who are more inclined to side with Republicans on a host of issues or DLCers who are beholden to Third Way policies? They continue to assert that Democrats are a monolith, and thus Obama enjoying a majority in both houses should have won him victories, even though there's been unprecedented obstruction.

Again, if we have to fight day after day explaining these things to DUers, imagine how uninformed the average American is.

And when you're explaining, you're losing.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:07 AM

2. +1 nt

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:10 AM

3. Hillary Is a disater coming for Dems

She and bill were total failures this year

why should liberals come up for her when she agrees with gop on Total wars and free trade and mostly agrees on economy.
Remember the triangulation of Bill Clinton.

She will be opposed In primary now.Bet on it.

Ignore those polls having her ahead of republicans.Many dems who lost tonight were once ahead too.

We need someone to take charge and stand up to GOP.That's not Hillary.

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Response to Robbins (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:17 AM

4. I told my friend, a former conservative Republican who is a solid Democrat now, that the Clintons


have won the party ZERO elections.

This is what kills me:

When I hear people like Tweety and other commentators sing the praises of Bill Clinton and proclaim that Dems have to send in "The Big Dog" to speak on behalf of Obama because, you know, those working class "Reagan Democrats" who supposedly aren't racists don't want to see Allison Grimes with the black Muslim from Kenya.

So you send Bill down to Arkansas to stomp for Blanche Lincoln in 2010. She loses.
You send Bill down to Florida to vouch for Sink. She loses.
You send both Clintons back to Arkansas on behalf of Mark Pryor. He loses.
You send them both to Kentucky where the goal is to distance yourself from a sitting president with a solid record to run on. Grimes loses.
Back to Florida for Crist. He loses.
To Connecticut for Malloy. He loses.
For Udall who didn't want Obama around. He loses.

Gee, all the races where Democrats counted on Bill Clinton to deliver these "Reagan Democrats" to the party failed.

I'm telling ya'll: The Democrats are making a HUGE mistake putting all their eggs in one basket for Hillary Clinton.

After tonight, I think she decides not to run.

I don't know who will, but if Hillary had any shred of decency or love for the Democratic Party left, she'll do the right thing and decide not to run.

Just my opinion.

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