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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:11 AM Nov 2014

What was the GOP's "coherent message" that they "stood for"?

I'm seeing a lot of people say the problem was that the Democratic party didn't "stand for" anything or present a "coherent message" (rather than, say, the fact that Democrats pretty predictably don't show up to vote in mid-terms).

So, what was the GOP's "coherent message" that they "stood for"? Who articulated it? I certainly didn't hear one.

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What was the GOP's "coherent message" that they "stood for"? (Original Post) Recursion Nov 2014 OP
The GOP doesn't have a coherent message. Do you know for a fact that Democrats didn't get out and still_one Nov 2014 #1
Yes, it's been a well-established pattern since the 1960s or so (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #4
GOP: We're against everything Obama has done. sinkingfeeling Nov 2014 #2
That was it. And it worked. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #3
Who said that? When? (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #5
Every single ad the GOP ran in Arkansas, even for local offices. sinkingfeeling Nov 2014 #7
Republican leadership and candidates, every chance they had. morningfog Nov 2014 #8
Give me an example (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #9
I don't believe you are serious. morningfog Nov 2014 #11
I am entirely serious. Give me an example of this apparently monstrously effective messaging machine Recursion Nov 2014 #12
How many times did house repubs vote to repeal ACA? morningfog Nov 2014 #13
I'm talking messaging. Do you think voters actually read the Congressional Record? Recursion Nov 2014 #14
Sorry. This feigned ignorance is boring to me. morningfog Nov 2014 #15
So... nothing? Recursion Nov 2014 #16
You got it! morningfog Nov 2014 #18
Voted with Obama 97% of the time Bandit Nov 2014 #27
So, were the candidates right to run away from Obama? Recursion Nov 2014 #28
The proof is in the pudding Bandit Nov 2014 #29
But by that argument the GOP ads were working in their favor, right? Recursion Nov 2014 #30
When Democrats don't denounce the Republican ads people assume they are true. Bandit Nov 2014 #65
Here's a couple from Arkansas..... sinkingfeeling Nov 2014 #24
Thank you. That's the sort of thing I was asking for Recursion Nov 2014 #25
Here you go: joshcryer Nov 2014 #35
Thank you (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #36
Tongue in cheek, btw. joshcryer Nov 2014 #38
Here's an example from GA. It killed blue-dog Barrow aikoaiko Nov 2014 #44
That was the thrust of 90% of the McConnell ads. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #59
Bingo! They loudly proclaimed they were against everything Obama represents and supports LonePirate Nov 2014 #6
Who did? When? (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #10
Cotton, Gardner, Ernst, Daines, Tillis, Rounds, Capito, McConnell. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #61
BENGHAZI! EBOLA! WAAAAARRBBBLLEE GARRRRRGLLLEE! Bjorn Against Nov 2014 #17
"Democrats bad" TransitJohn Nov 2014 #19
Who "framed" that message? When? Where? Recursion Nov 2014 #20
Viacom, Turner Broadcasting, Gannett, etc. TransitJohn Nov 2014 #21
Give me a specific example Recursion Nov 2014 #22
That was it in a nutshell Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #23
You're in multiple threads feigning ignorance of GOP messaging LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #26
You are erroneously assuming that republicans are capable of coherency Tom Ripley Nov 2014 #31
Well, I'm pretty sure they aren't Recursion Nov 2014 #32
Here's a nice recap. Brickbat Nov 2014 #33
i agree, they don't have one Enrique Nov 2014 #34
Anti-Obama. Plain and simple. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #37
That's a category, not a message. randome Nov 2014 #45
ADD INCHES TO YOUR MANHOOD, OR DIE FROM MEXICAN EBOLA!!!1! SERIESLY!!1! Orsino Nov 2014 #39
The entire message was "The black guy sucks" LadyHawkAZ Nov 2014 #40
The coherent message is that black people and urban intellectuals are scary people. hunter Nov 2014 #48
Anti-Obama... cyberswede Nov 2014 #41
spot on Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #54
Obama is a... Obama is a... socialist. hunter Nov 2014 #42
I forgot about the S word JonLP24 Nov 2014 #50
Fear & Change. cali Nov 2014 #43
Their opponent will basically agree with everything Obama and Pelosi wants JonLP24 Nov 2014 #46
They all pretty much ran against the President and it worked because, IMO justiceischeap Nov 2014 #47
Americans vote based on fear/anger, not a desire to improve their lives. Avalux Nov 2014 #49
Lies, smears and hate is what gop stands for. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #51
They had no message.. that is the amazing thing Peacetrain Nov 2014 #52
They didn't need one. They were already running in red states. Dawgs Nov 2014 #53
+1000 Tom Ripley Nov 2014 #62
Their main message is hate. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #55
You didn't hear corey gardner, he sounded like a democrat. Autumn Nov 2014 #56
their coherent message is that money wins. unblock Nov 2014 #57
obamacare, guns, pro-life. LOL. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2014 #58
WASN'T one, never is, from them! elleng Nov 2014 #60
Here's the Republican message: YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #63
We're not Obama! dawg Nov 2014 #64
The GOP doesn't need nilesobek Nov 2014 #66

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. I am entirely serious. Give me an example of this apparently monstrously effective messaging machine
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:17 AM
Nov 2014

Seriously. What was the GOP's message, who articulated it, when , and where?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
13. How many times did house repubs vote to repeal ACA?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:21 AM
Nov 2014

They have been relentless and focused for 2 years.

Do you remember Boner threatening to sue Obama?

They built the frame for years that Obama was the problem, that his policies were hurting the US and that he is an authoritarian. They reinforced the frame at every turn and then ran on stopping it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. I'm talking messaging. Do you think voters actually read the Congressional Record?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:22 AM
Nov 2014

Who said what, when, and where, to articulate this alleged "message"?

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
27. Voted with Obama 97% of the time
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:54 AM
Nov 2014

Because of Obama's disasterous policies America is on the wrong track. We will overturn Obamacare.. Do I need to go on. These ads were repeated every hour on the hour for weeks.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
28. So, were the candidates right to run away from Obama?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:55 AM
Nov 2014

I thought being tied to Obama was supposed to be a good thing?

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
29. The proof is in the pudding
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:57 AM
Nov 2014

The more they ran away from Obama and Democratic principles the harder they fell.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
30. But by that argument the GOP ads were working in their favor, right?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:57 AM
Nov 2014

Seems odd that the GOP would pay for ads that apparently improve Democrats' chances...

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
65. When Democrats don't denounce the Republican ads people assume they are true.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:32 PM
Nov 2014

When a Democrat is asked whether they voted for a Democrat and they are afraid to answer, it tells you something. That particular Democrat lost by fifteen points... Did her running away from Democratic ideals help her in any manner?
If you won't stand for something you will fall for anything. Democrats lost this election and they will continue to do so as long as they act Republican Lite. I personally have almost given up completely on them..I want something to vote for.. Democrats offered nothing except "We are not Obama".. Doesn't fly with me..

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
59. That was the thrust of 90% of the McConnell ads.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:50 PM
Nov 2014

To paraphrase the vast majority of his ads that played as far north as Cincinnati stations across the river, 'Alison Grimes will do whatever Barack Obama wants, and she's lying any time she tells you she won't.'

Republicans wanted a referendum on the President because they knew how unpopular he was, and they got it, and it won for them. The people who think that snuggling up to the President would have actually helped any of the losing candidates are simply fooling themselves. It would have only made it more of a blowout.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
61. Cotton, Gardner, Ernst, Daines, Tillis, Rounds, Capito, McConnell.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:54 PM
Nov 2014

Ie, the folks who flipped the Senate red. In most of their advertising.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
19. "Democrats bad"
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:26 AM
Nov 2014

That's it. Republicans are much better at framing narratives, because both they and the sheeple that they're speaking to think in black and white. It's hard to simplistically frame narratives when you think nuanced.

Republicans have been successful in stalling much of the POTUS' and the Democratic Party's agenda, slowed down the economic recovery, and successfully blamed it on Democrats.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. Who "framed" that message? When? Where?
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:27 AM
Nov 2014

Seriously. Who did this amazing job at framing that the Democrats allegedly failed at?

(It obviously can't be that Democrats reliably don't vote in mid terms, can it?)

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
23. That was it in a nutshell
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 09:31 AM
Nov 2014

And for their truth- and compassion-challenged followers, that's enough- even though it shouldn't be. Dems need to make sure our voters are turning out just as much if not more than the Republicans EVERY TWO YEARS. We have the power and the numbers. We just don't use them like we should IMHO.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
32. Well, I'm pretty sure they aren't
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:01 AM
Nov 2014

That caucus can't find its own ass with a flashlight and instructions. But people seem to think they had a message, which I absolutely failed to see. There was no "contract with America" or anything like that.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
33. Here's a nice recap.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:12 AM
Nov 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/05/opinion/negativity-wins-the-senate.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000

On Tuesday morning, the Republican National Committee released a series of get-out-the-vote images showing Mr. Obama and Democratic Senate candidates next to this message: “If you’re not a voter, you can’t stop Obama.”

The most important promises that winning Republicans made were negative in nature. They will repeal health care reform. They will roll back new regulations on banks and Wall Street. They will stop the Obama administration’s plans to curb coal emissions and reform immigration and invest in education.

Campaigning on pure negativity isn’t surprising for a party that has governed that way since Mr. Obama was first sworn in. By creating an environment where every initiative is opposed and nothing gets done, Republicans helped engineer the president’s image as weak and ineffectual. Mitch McConnell, who will be the Senate’s new majority leader, vowed in 2009 to create “an inventory of losses” to damage Mr. Obama for precisely the results achieved on Tuesday.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
34. i agree, they don't have one
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:18 AM
Nov 2014

behind the scenes they know what they're doing, but their public message is deceptive and incoherent.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
45. That's a category, not a message.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:16 PM
Nov 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
39. ADD INCHES TO YOUR MANHOOD, OR DIE FROM MEXICAN EBOLA!!!1! SERIESLY!!1!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:04 AM
Nov 2014

The Jayzus guns will save you from the Moozlim zombies.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
48. The coherent message is that black people and urban intellectuals are scary people.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:33 PM
Nov 2014

The GOP sells itself as the party of "ordinary" white people.

The GOP politicians, most all of them grifters of various sorts, play to the fears of their anti-intellectual and racist audience.

The Democratic Party has it's own share of grifters, but it does tend to be inclusive.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
54. spot on
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014

The message was "Obama bad" - and the elephant in the room is that the American people by a significant majority agree.

This is the result of Democrats giving Obama zero pushback on anything, it was trivial to tie every single one to him as his lead balloon dragged us all down with him.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
42. Obama is a... Obama is a... socialist.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:11 PM
Nov 2014

If voters think Obama is a socialist, they are complete morons.

Racism is still a large factor in American politics.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
50. I forgot about the S word
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:40 PM
Nov 2014

Which was used in an ad against Krysten Sinema who said this back in 2009 "I've become a huge fan of research. It's helped me as a candidate learn to talk in ways that voters can understand. For example, I used to say that I wanted universal health-care coverage in Arizona, which went over like a ton of bricks. Turns out, Arizonans hear the word "universal" and think "socialism"--or "pinko commie." But when I say that I want all Arizonans to have access to affordable, quality health care, Arizonans agree wholeheartedly. Same basic idea, different language. Research is what teaches us these differences so that we can relate to voters in ways that are authentic and meaningful for them."

Her district includes a college campus, upscale rich conservative area to the north and heavy middle class Republican with high Mormon population to the East. She is also openly bisexual, worked on Ralph Nader's presidential campaign, one of the 10 porest members of congress but has managed to portray herself as a blue dog but when you look at the issues there isn't anything I really disagree with and she favors gay marriage, DREAM Act, the state Republican's favorite wedge issues. She also opposes the DP.

She didn't run many ads but the ones that did focused on her work with veterans, she didn't run attack ads.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
46. Their opponent will basically agree with everything Obama and Pelosi wants
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:21 PM
Nov 2014

That they'll expose us to terrorism and make us less safe, their opponents want "amnesty", they either did favor or would favor job killing Obamacare. Maybe guns but that didn't get a lot of play here in Arizona.

The only thing clear to me was tax cuts, they'll oppose immigration reform, not so much afer that. They certainly did a good job defining their opponent's message and stance but big money helps.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
47. They all pretty much ran against the President and it worked because, IMO
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:29 PM
Nov 2014

The Democratic Party ran away from accomplishments that would have mattered to voters. They also did a very poor job of defining those accomplishments in a way that matters to the electorate.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
49. Americans vote based on fear/anger, not a desire to improve their lives.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:38 PM
Nov 2014

The Republicans have perfected the use of negative motivation.

A candidate doesn't have to 'stand for' anything, as long as he/she can convince people they're going to protect them from some evil that's trying to hurt or kill them. Like here in Texas - Greg Abbott is a crook and will do nothing to improve the lives of the people in this state. What he will do, is protect us from bad people trying to cross the border and take what is ours. He will make sure Obama's policies don't hurt us. That was good enough for most.

Abbott never had to explain HOW he'll do anything. None of the Republican candidates did. If enough people are afraid and paranoid, they'll vote for the devil himself if they think they'll be safe.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
53. They didn't need one. They were already running in red states.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014

The Democrats were the party that needed to get their base motivated and out to vote.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
57. their coherent message is that money wins.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:48 PM
Nov 2014

greed has an irresistible appeal if you merely put a fig leaf on it, any thin disguise will do, really.

meanwhile, money can buy enough horse manure to make the sweetest rose stink up a storm, which explains the democrats' image.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
60. WASN'T one, never is, from them!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:54 PM
Nov 2014

again, turtle said last night, something like 'let's take our country back.' BS!!!

dawg

(10,624 posts)
64. We're not Obama!
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:58 PM
Nov 2014

That's it folks. That was the message.

Voters were unhappy. Voters blame the President for everything in this country, regardless of who controls Congress and regardless of what policies have actually been proposed, voted on, or blocked.

This is why we would be so much better off with a parliamentary system where the winning party would be able to govern unimpeded until the next election and voters would have a much clearer idea of who was to blame whenever things went pear-shaped.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
66. The GOP doesn't need
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 03:05 PM
Nov 2014

an overtly articulated message. Its pretty much, "Black guy in the White House, Socialist, Muslim usurper. (I saw that one in the local newspaper). They are appealing to the lowest common denominator, which is fear.

Those candidates ran away from Obama and his numerous accomplishments like alcoholics racing to get to the liquor store before it closes. You don't abandon the main guy of the team. Democrats were weak and no backup for Obama. If there had been severe, sustained, principled attacks and push back against the Republican "message," then we might have been able to swing a few seats.

Even in defeat we all could have stuck together instead of "everyman for himself." That sends a message of solidarity and force to Republicans.

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