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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat was the GOP's "coherent message" that they "stood for"?
I'm seeing a lot of people say the problem was that the Democratic party didn't "stand for" anything or present a "coherent message" (rather than, say, the fact that Democrats pretty predictably don't show up to vote in mid-terms).
So, what was the GOP's "coherent message" that they "stood for"? Who articulated it? I certainly didn't hear one.
still_one
(92,133 posts)vote?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seriously. What was the GOP's message, who articulated it, when , and where?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)They have been relentless and focused for 2 years.
Do you remember Boner threatening to sue Obama?
They built the frame for years that Obama was the problem, that his policies were hurting the US and that he is an authoritarian. They reinforced the frame at every turn and then ran on stopping it.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Who said what, when, and where, to articulate this alleged "message"?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Got it.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Bandit
(21,475 posts)Because of Obama's disasterous policies America is on the wrong track. We will overturn Obamacare.. Do I need to go on. These ads were repeated every hour on the hour for weeks.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I thought being tied to Obama was supposed to be a good thing?
Bandit
(21,475 posts)The more they ran away from Obama and Democratic principles the harder they fell.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seems odd that the GOP would pay for ads that apparently improve Democrats' chances...
Bandit
(21,475 posts)When a Democrat is asked whether they voted for a Democrat and they are afraid to answer, it tells you something. That particular Democrat lost by fifteen points... Did her running away from Democratic ideals help her in any manner?
If you won't stand for something you will fall for anything. Democrats lost this election and they will continue to do so as long as they act Republican Lite. I personally have almost given up completely on them..I want something to vote for.. Democrats offered nothing except "We are not Obama".. Doesn't fly with me..
sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)And here's articles on that strategy from the GOP...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/politics/gop-ties-dems-to-obama-and-pelosi/
http://www.nationaljournal.com/against-the-grain/running-against-obama-republicans-positioned-for-midterm-sweep-20141020
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Let me watch these and get back to you
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Oh, wait...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)To paraphrase the vast majority of his ads that played as far north as Cincinnati stations across the river, 'Alison Grimes will do whatever Barack Obama wants, and she's lying any time she tells you she won't.'
Republicans wanted a referendum on the President because they knew how unpopular he was, and they got it, and it won for them. The people who think that snuggling up to the President would have actually helped any of the losing candidates are simply fooling themselves. It would have only made it more of a blowout.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Ie, the folks who flipped the Senate red. In most of their advertising.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)That's it. Republicans are much better at framing narratives, because both they and the sheeple that they're speaking to think in black and white. It's hard to simplistically frame narratives when you think nuanced.
Republicans have been successful in stalling much of the POTUS' and the Democratic Party's agenda, slowed down the economic recovery, and successfully blamed it on Democrats.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Seriously. Who did this amazing job at framing that the Democrats allegedly failed at?
(It obviously can't be that Democrats reliably don't vote in mid terms, can it?)
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Do you see the media?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Any example.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)And for their truth- and compassion-challenged followers, that's enough- even though it shouldn't be. Dems need to make sure our voters are turning out just as much if not more than the Republicans EVERY TWO YEARS. We have the power and the numbers. We just don't use them like we should IMHO.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)It's cute
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)That caucus can't find its own ass with a flashlight and instructions. But people seem to think they had a message, which I absolutely failed to see. There was no "contract with America" or anything like that.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)The most important promises that winning Republicans made were negative in nature. They will repeal health care reform. They will roll back new regulations on banks and Wall Street. They will stop the Obama administrations plans to curb coal emissions and reform immigration and invest in education.
Campaigning on pure negativity isnt surprising for a party that has governed that way since Mr. Obama was first sworn in. By creating an environment where every initiative is opposed and nothing gets done, Republicans helped engineer the presidents image as weak and ineffectual. Mitch McConnell, who will be the Senates new majority leader, vowed in 2009 to create an inventory of losses to damage Mr. Obama for precisely the results achieved on Tuesday.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)behind the scenes they know what they're doing, but their public message is deceptive and incoherent.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The Jayzus guns will save you from the Moozlim zombies.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)And a substantial chunk of "Democrats" bought into it.
hunter
(38,310 posts)The GOP sells itself as the party of "ordinary" white people.
The GOP politicians, most all of them grifters of various sorts, play to the fears of their anti-intellectual and racist audience.
The Democratic Party has it's own share of grifters, but it does tend to be inclusive.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)the details are irrelevant.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)The message was "Obama bad" - and the elephant in the room is that the American people by a significant majority agree.
This is the result of Democrats giving Obama zero pushback on anything, it was trivial to tie every single one to him as his lead balloon dragged us all down with him.
hunter
(38,310 posts)If voters think Obama is a socialist, they are complete morons.
Racism is still a large factor in American politics.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Which was used in an ad against Krysten Sinema who said this back in 2009 "I've become a huge fan of research. It's helped me as a candidate learn to talk in ways that voters can understand. For example, I used to say that I wanted universal health-care coverage in Arizona, which went over like a ton of bricks. Turns out, Arizonans hear the word "universal" and think "socialism"--or "pinko commie." But when I say that I want all Arizonans to have access to affordable, quality health care, Arizonans agree wholeheartedly. Same basic idea, different language. Research is what teaches us these differences so that we can relate to voters in ways that are authentic and meaningful for them."
Her district includes a college campus, upscale rich conservative area to the north and heavy middle class Republican with high Mormon population to the East. She is also openly bisexual, worked on Ralph Nader's presidential campaign, one of the 10 porest members of congress but has managed to portray herself as a blue dog but when you look at the issues there isn't anything I really disagree with and she favors gay marriage, DREAM Act, the state Republican's favorite wedge issues. She also opposes the DP.
She didn't run many ads but the ones that did focused on her work with veterans, she didn't run attack ads.
cali
(114,904 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)That they'll expose us to terrorism and make us less safe, their opponents want "amnesty", they either did favor or would favor job killing Obamacare. Maybe guns but that didn't get a lot of play here in Arizona.
The only thing clear to me was tax cuts, they'll oppose immigration reform, not so much afer that. They certainly did a good job defining their opponent's message and stance but big money helps.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)The Democratic Party ran away from accomplishments that would have mattered to voters. They also did a very poor job of defining those accomplishments in a way that matters to the electorate.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)The Republicans have perfected the use of negative motivation.
A candidate doesn't have to 'stand for' anything, as long as he/she can convince people they're going to protect them from some evil that's trying to hurt or kill them. Like here in Texas - Greg Abbott is a crook and will do nothing to improve the lives of the people in this state. What he will do, is protect us from bad people trying to cross the border and take what is ours. He will make sure Obama's policies don't hurt us. That was good enough for most.
Abbott never had to explain HOW he'll do anything. None of the Republican candidates did. If enough people are afraid and paranoid, they'll vote for the devil himself if they think they'll be safe.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)People loves them some nasty, juicy gossip.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)Nothing, nada, ... where were peoples heads?
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)The Democrats were the party that needed to get their base motivated and out to vote.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Autumn
(45,055 posts)unblock
(52,196 posts)greed has an irresistible appeal if you merely put a fig leaf on it, any thin disguise will do, really.
meanwhile, money can buy enough horse manure to make the sweetest rose stink up a storm, which explains the democrats' image.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)elleng
(130,865 posts)again, turtle said last night, something like 'let's take our country back.' BS!!!
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)dawg
(10,624 posts)That's it folks. That was the message.
Voters were unhappy. Voters blame the President for everything in this country, regardless of who controls Congress and regardless of what policies have actually been proposed, voted on, or blocked.
This is why we would be so much better off with a parliamentary system where the winning party would be able to govern unimpeded until the next election and voters would have a much clearer idea of who was to blame whenever things went pear-shaped.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)an overtly articulated message. Its pretty much, "Black guy in the White House, Socialist, Muslim usurper. (I saw that one in the local newspaper). They are appealing to the lowest common denominator, which is fear.
Those candidates ran away from Obama and his numerous accomplishments like alcoholics racing to get to the liquor store before it closes. You don't abandon the main guy of the team. Democrats were weak and no backup for Obama. If there had been severe, sustained, principled attacks and push back against the Republican "message," then we might have been able to swing a few seats.
Even in defeat we all could have stuck together instead of "everyman for himself." That sends a message of solidarity and force to Republicans.