Well liberal members of this board - I hope you're happy

[Capt. Obvious]

We lost last night because of you.

Sure you all voted straight Dem ticket but some of you probably held your nose while doing so. That gesture alone depressed the vote in your precinct by 20-30 votes at least.

Your purity tests left us with awful candidates like Mark Pryor. If you had just listened to the sensible adults in the party we could have had viable, poll tested, centrist winners instead of the likes of lefties like Michelle Nunn and Alison Grimes.

It's time for us to lick our wounds and look ahead to 2016.

Hopefully last night's results will be a big wake up call to the left and they'll get out of the way and let the adults in the party handle the next election.

It's time to get ready for Hillary.

[leftstreet]

1. Hillary must be thrilled. A ready-made OBSTRUCTION !!! cry

[GummyBearz]

162. Hillary I'm sure is thrilled

That she now will have a congress that agrees with her on so many topics from the start

[brush]

211. Hillary led the way in distancing herself from the president . . .

many other candidates followed her lead and lost.

The ones like Al Franken, who campaigned on the ACA and the rest of the administrations accomplishments won.

If her decision making in 2016 continues with running away from the president and dem principles the irony of another Al Gore-like distancing will be almost karmic.

This time the Clintons will be the ones running away from a sitting dem president but the results will be the same.

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. you need to get ready.....she is our heaviest hitter

When you "Progressives" come up with a candidate that polls beating all Republicans let us know...

This Progressive realist wont hold her breath..

[LondonReign2]

10. And when the RepubliBot says "our" heaviest hitter, its right

[VanillaRhapsody]

17. I have polls showing she beats all repuke contenders

To support my contention. Do YOU have anyone that can prove that with evidence?.

Until you can do that she IS our clean up hitter...better get used to it..."Democrat".....or are you just another Indepedent that cannot accept the truth?

[LondonReign2]

19. "Moar konsrvativ!"

[VanillaRhapsody]

20. where is your contender with polls to prove it?

Right....you got diddly-squat...

[LondonReign2]

21. "Moov righterer!"

[gcomeau]

84. Your inability to reply with a coherent argument isn't helping your cause here.

Just FYI... but most adults aren't terribly impressed with the lolcats grammar approach to political debate.

[LondonReign2]

115. Thanks for your heartfelt concern

[gcomeau]

138. Oh there was no concern in it.

If it was your intention to make yourself look like a 12 year old who wandered into the forums that's no skin off my nose. Just felt like commenting on a whim really.

[LondonReign2]

140. No concern? Who would have guessed?

[snooper2]

143. I have concern

damn ice melted in my 7up!


SHIT!

[LondonReign2]

145. A FAR more valid concern than gcomeau's

[gcomeau]

213. Ok... *now* I'm concerned about something.

Specifically, your reading comprehension... since I only just shortly before you posted that told you rather clearly I had no concerns regarding your post, only idle observations.

[LondonReign2]

214. Thank you for your heartfelt concern

[gcomeau]

215. And now I'm concerned you may have a head injury...

....and are thus unable to recall you already employed that exact same insincere throwaway line to try to show how much you don't care about any criticisms directed against you only a few posts up the thread. Once it was childish, twice it's just sad.

[LondonReign2]

216. Thank you for your heartfelt concern

[gcomeau]

218. Does anyone know LondonReign2 in real life?

And if so, could anyone arrange to have someone swing by and check them for concussion?

[LondonReign2]

225. Thank you for your heartfelt concern

[gcomeau]

226. Seriously, anyone? There may be severe short term memory impairment here... -eom

[LondonReign2]

228. Thank you for your heartfelt concern

[VanillaRhapsody]

144. yea no concern for those Independents costing us Progress

With thier incessant bellyaching...

[LondonReign2]

146. Tell us: Why do you want us to double down on the strategy that caused us to lose?

[VanillaRhapsody]

149. No looking like losers shooting

The circular firing squad made us look like losers and that is why by candidates we lost by issues we won....

[LondonReign2]

153. Your preferred startegy of running right results in a HUGE loss

And you want more of the same.

Again, pardon me if I choose not to participate in the stupid

[VanillaRhapsody]

155. ^^^^THAT ^^^

Right there is why we lost.....perfect example thanks...

[LondonReign2]

158. ^^^^POINTLESS^^^^

Guess I've befuddled the bot.

Go ahead, get the last post.

In the meantime, we'll all clap harder!

[VanillaRhapsody]

163. Yes you are...

That too ..

[azbillyboy]

105. Then what?

More of the same? I hear the same happy horsesh!t every time we get our asses kicked. Time to lick our wounds and look to the next election. Why? I have been voting a long effing time and I keep seeing things slide into the toilet. In yesterday's election I didn't even have choices for some of the offices. Unless you consider an R and an L a "choice."

So I am supposed to have multiple spontaneous orgasms over perpetuating another dynasty (Hillary)? A right of center Democrat? I think Mike Malloy and Hartmann are right. It's not bad enough yet. People aren't suffering enough to make them pull their heads out of their asses. Maybe a President Cruz or Paul would do the trick.

How can Democrats be so gd stupid: to run away from their President and what he has managed (despite obstruction) to accomplish? For that matter, why doesn't President Obama go on the offensive? Fireside chat kind talks to the American sheeple? I mean all they hear now is right wing b.s.

Do you really think there's going to be a "wave of blue" washing over the country in 2016? If you believe that, then by all means buy some prime land in South Florida. With Rick "Skeletor" Scott..... It's not going to happen.

I would really love to renounce my citizenship and get the hell out of that fetid, wasting country while I still can. But even that is almost impossible.

Randi Rhodes must be laughing her ass off. I hope for her sake she was able to get out before everything collapses.

I almost feel like becoming a Republican. All I have to do is pull the plug on any progressive sites I visit, sit back and slowly turn into a vegetable. See ?? It's easy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

108. then what?

We win!

[LondonReign2]

118. Vanilla wants us to double down on the strategy that got our asses whipped

Now I wonder why that might be?

[VanillaRhapsody]

157. No that was YOUR strategy

Running far left candidates would not have changed the outcome and YOU know that ..

[LondonReign2]

161. Our candidates ran as right-of-center and got creamed

and you want us to do it again. Hmmm, I wonder why?

[VanillaRhapsody]

164. noo they did not...

That is just more bullshit and you know that....

[freshwest]

187. 'For that matter, why doesn't President Obama go on the offensive? Fireside chat kind talks...?'

Those have been on the White House youtube channels, websites and iTunes every single week since 2009, and in videos on the above mentioned and Obama friendly sites like TOD, often daily.

Just because it wasn't on MSM, which has been proven to edit out or not at all report but distort, every single word out of this man's mouth for 6 years, is not his fault. He has had an unrelenting travel schedule and gone to every state that would have him, and some where no official would greet or talk to him.

He has talked tough in all those venues, but he's not allowed on MSM. Because we are controlled by that group of media that you mention as 'I mean all they hear now is right wing b.s.' If that is your source, Faux and MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR and every other mealy mouthed media venue, that is what you will think, too.

Many of us realized this POTUS has been under a media blackout for years and even if on CSPAN or other channels for SOTU and other events, they give more time to his detractors than him, speak over and don't allow his voice to be heard. Obama is not a dictator who can order them to cover him lock step every day. That is not going to happen and he should not do that.

The media have chosen, because their owners have, to make sure that he isn't heard. I haven't even gone into what they did to radio with shutting down all progressive voices and cutting them off the air, while continuing to push the rightwingers.

[Sheepshank]

230. well....rather than full bodies support

those running for office and already on the ballot ticket, the failing lefty strategy got us a Domination of Reps...thanks!!

If you don't like the current crop of those making the leap and running for office, your incessant whine about "sameness" is solved by you either running or encouraging a diffent political animal to run for office. Once the ballots are printed, you have your choices before you and it is what it is until the next cycle.

[ReRe]

91. Did you hear the leader of the RNC (Rinse Pubis)...

... earlier today include Hillary in his ridicule of the President? You know I am NOT gung-ho on Hillary, but that pissed me off for him to be ugly to PO and then immediately add her name to the mix.

[VanillaRhapsody]

159. prime example of my point.....this is what happens

How is what he said any different than whst you see about alour candidates day after day after day... we look like a bunch of losers....and the Mushy Middle votes for who appears to be the winners ...its that simple

[ReRe]

205. You sort of lost me.

"He", I assume is Rinse Pubis, and you're saying what he said is no different than what I say about PO and Hillary? I am a Democrat first and foremost, and will defend a Democrat, regardless of whether I agree with everything a particular Democrat says or does. We're ALL Democrats, VR. It's a Party thing. You stick together when elections roll around. And you totally lost me on the "losers" and mushy middle voting for their perception of a "winners."

[Omaha Steve]

131. Well she has some PR problems with different issues in the D party

IF she is nominated I'll vote for her. She won't be my candidate in the NE Caucus.

[VanillaRhapsody]

165. and Obama wasnt mine either. .

[Omaha Steve]

171. Here I am in a video for my 08 candidate

Yellow union shirt and black hat. IMPEACH BUsh button on the hat. Large guy with a beard.

Reading info here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x64832

[Puzzledtraveller]

3. Recc'd only because it's more likely what really occurred

and what will happen again, if we do not do a major makeover of the party, and ourselves.

[sibelian]

4. Indeed. The nose-holding broadcasts a VIBE dontcha know.

I see the Usual Suspects are rather quiet today.

[belzabubba333]

5. remember they needed "something to vote for" and " i wont vote just anyone with a "D" by

thier name"

[VanillaRhapsody]

22. just like q good Independent would natch

Fair weather friends

[sabrina 1]

49. Too bad the party didn't listen to the voters, AGAIN! We lost because of all the compromisers

who caved on every issue that is important to Dem voters. Why does OUR party refuse to listen to their voters? Republicans won because they DO listen to their base. When Dems start doing the same, they will get the enthusiasm they had back in 2008, but next time, they will have to prove they intend to fight for the agenda they run on, that a Dem president will appoint a Dem Cabinet, that no Dem will ever put SS within grasp of its Right wing enemies, among other things.

Keep on blaming the voters and keep on losing. Listen to the voters and win.

[belzabubba333]

55. well then enjoy life in the minority at least u stood by your principles

that should be comforting over the next 2 years

[LondonReign2]

65. That was the problem -- the Democrats DIDN'T stand by their principles

They didn't stand for anything, and they lost because of it.

[belzabubba333]

66. youre thinking of the republicans -

[LondonReign2]

69. Dumb answer

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Repubs DIDN'T lose.

Surely you can do better than that

[belzabubba333]

72. just because you dont like the answer doesnt make it dumb

[LanternWaste]

79. And the corollary is also true...

And the corollary is also true...

Simply because you like the answer doesn't make it accurate (you could present sourced and objective materials to confirm your premise-- but I don't think that's going to happen)





(insert imaginative rationalization below to validate personal bias masquerading as fact...)

[negoldie]

102. Grimes and Nunn

are liberals? They couldn't run enough pro coal ads for Grimes, and Nunn is nothing but Republican light. I don't think many of these candidates put enough distance between themselves and their opponents. I'm with you LR2. Weak candidates that don't stand for shit, that's why we lose.

[LondonReign2]

111. Exactly

Grimes spent her time refusing to say who she voted for and running ads shooting things, supporting coal, and proclaiming she wasn't Obama. The voters had the choice between a Republican and one declining to state her party affiliation.

[sabrina 1]

217. Well, let's see, first of all, you are attacking the people who ACTUALLT DO VOTE, just

wanted to get that out of the way as assumptions, such as yours, are part of why more and more voters are angry, note I said 'VOTERS'.

What you SHOULD be doing if you don't want to continue to be in the minority, is to speak to those who DID NOT VOTE and actually find out why they are growing in number with every election. But perhaps you don't mind remaining in the minority because it sure won't bring people to the ballot box to constantly lash out at voters.

It is interesting that you completely ignore the legitimate concerns of millions of Americans, which of course is exactly the REASON why Dems are again in the minority. Who is advising this Party? Is THIS their winning strategy? Attack the people?? Well, it isn't working, is it?

But back to being in the minority. Perhaps you forgot that when Dems WERE in the majority, THANKS TO THE VOTERS, they claimed they could not get anything done because of the MINORITY's 'obstructionism'. I remember asking how on earth the MINORITY could have so much power.

Well, if Republicans could get THEIR way while in the minority so often, perhaps NOW Dems can take a leaf out of their book, and obstruct every wrong decision they try to make. Iow, they, according to the defenders of Dems caving on important issue, were WAY MORE POWERFUL in the minority, no? Isn't that what you told us?? Are you going to change your mind about that now? If not, then why should we worry because for years we've been told that the Minority Wins.

I'm looking forward now to Dems making sure the Right gets none of their agenda passed just as the Right were able to wield so much power when they were in the Minority.

[belzabubba333]

224. the problem is dems dont maybe now they will but i doubt it. they dont look back

they look forward they didnt prosecute the 2000 election theft by scotus, they didnt when they took the congress, they ignored war crimes by bush. they are ignoring the election fraud and voting fraud by the gop. they did nothing about all of that not even bothering to rail against it when they had camera time.

what they do is work with who ever is in the charge. that how we got some of the justices on scotus. dems should have filibustered every justice bush threw up.but they didnt and you expect that they will now. i dont share you conviction. i believe they will wallow in minority and moan about how the cons wont let them have confrence rooms. they will pass gop friendly bills nominate gop friendly judges all the while saying there's nothing they can do because we're in the minority .

the people will see now that the gop is in charge the gridlock is gone and things are getting done-they wont pay enough attention to it to know the horrors of what is getting done but as the elections show they dont care all they will understand is that government didnt work till the gop took charge.

[Thinkingabout]

62. I guess the Republicans was listening when they have not allowed a minimum wage bill

to pass. Yep, they listen alright, don't cry because your liberal rights are tossed out as trash before they even get off the table, don't cry because we will not be able to get a jurist on the SC which will be left leaning, don't cry after the 2020 census is made and Republican are in charge and further create gerrymandering where Democrats can not win in elections.

[belzabubba333]

68. gerrymandering can be done and redone anytime u dont need to wait

for the census

[Thinkingabout]

73. It creates another ten year window for gerrymandering by the GOP.

If you think gerrymandering does not matter, take a few minutes and look at the lines Tom Delay created in Texas.

[belzabubba333]

74. i didnt say it didnt matter my point was you dont have to wait till 2020 to redistrict

[Thinkingabout]

136. I realize it can be done before 2020, by the in office party, and the in office

party needs to get voted out before 2020, if not then the GOP gets another ten year window. Elections has consequences. Also, the senate will approve the next SC member, where do we stand on that one?

[mariawr]

201. What Sabrina said. nt

[Vinca]

6. I'm afraid if Hillary runs as GOP Lite, which she may, we'll have a President Walker.

Democrats would probably be surprised at their popularity if they ran as Democrats.

[VanillaRhapsody]

23. luckily for us she is running as a Liberal Denocrat

[Ed Suspicious]

57. Good one. Very funny.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

87. Hillary is NOT a liberal. Far from it, actually.

Anyone who supports the TPP and the Keystone Pipeline is not a liberal.

[VanillaRhapsody]

107. no actually YOU are wrong

Its why Warren supports her

( and this is the bullshit that costed us yesterday..)

Http://ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[CaliforniaPeggy]

116. I stand by my statement about the TPP and the Keystone Pipeline.

Anyone who supports passage of those issues is no liberal and she not only supports them, but she backed and promoted them.

Warren is not very liberal either. Remember that both of these people were Republicans once upon a time. Now, they have switched parties.....but they still have some Republican tendencies.

I will not vote for Hillary, whether she is the Democratic candidate or not.

[VanillaRhapsody]

121. and I am not a one issue voter and stand by mine

Difference between us .....i have evidence to support me ....mounds and mounds of it.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

125. Nor am I a one issue voter.

There are other things wrong with supporting Hillary; I simply chose the two that came immediately to mind.

[VanillaRhapsody]

147. yesyou are .....being liberal covers lots of issues

Not just your pet ones ..

[CaliforniaPeggy]

148. That's interesting that you feel competent to say I'm a one issue voter.

Since you don't know me at all.

[VanillaRhapsody]

154. yes I do know...

I have been here long enough ....watching Independents shoot the candidates constantly while in the end hypocritically voting FOR those candidates.

We lost because we were a house divided looking like losers

[neverforget]

176. You need to take your independent name calling somewhere else.

Who the hell do you think you are? Arbiter of who is and who isn't a Democrat? Seriously, who put you in charge? Stop being a belligerent ass.

[VanillaRhapsody]

177. are you pledging to vote for the winner of OUR

Primary?

If not....it applies to you too...

This is Democratic Underground after all and not "Democrat Punching Underground"

[neverforget]

180. this is exactly what I mean. you come into this forum and expect

loyalty oaths to vote for Hillary. We all know that's what you mean when yell "the winner in OUR Primary." That's not how this works. We can support ANY Democrat through the Primary.

And by the way, you're not in charge of Democratic Underground. You don't get to do decide the rules. The owners of this website do.

[VanillaRhapsody]

182. and it is the point...

Its how Democracy works....you cant always get what you want...but if you try some time ...you get what you need..

United we stand divided we fall....for an example see last nights results .

[neverforget]

195. That's why we have Primaries to decide from a list of candidates. Not just YOURS!

[Luminous Animal]

189. I honestly feel that her purpose is to discourage Democrats.

I don't think I've ever seen her post something that would inspire me to vote for a Democratic candidate.

[neverforget]

234. She's on an enforced vacation now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=296000

[adirondacker]

240. Should be a permanent one IMHO and hopefully MIRT can look into it. nt

[smokey nj]

242. I agree. That one does nothing but bully and disrupt with juvenile nonsense.

[smokey nj]

243. I think you've hit the nail on the head.

[smokey nj]

186. No, you haven't been here long enough. You're nothing but a bully and you aren't even good at that.

[yeoman6987]

203. Neither one will matter in 2016

Because I fear that both will already have been approved and at least started to be implemented. We are in trouble. Hillary won't even be asked about those two issues because it will be passed already.

[snooper2]

150. 1000s of piplines in this country, one more isn't going to hurt anything LOL

Is it just because it has a catchy name?


Nobody is bitching about the Tuscarora Lateral Project. How about the LC SESH Expansion Project or the LLC Woodbridge Delivery Lateral?


KEYSTONE LOL....

[deutsey]

167. I agree

[MissDeeds]

95. Thank god she's not running as a Democrat n/t

[arcane1]

130. It's a thin veneer that everyone sees through.

Personally, I'd rather have an actual liberal running as a liberal. I'm a dreamer. Time to wake up and accept that if we want to beat republicans, we have to become republicans and force them further to the right.

[Orsino]

7. On behalf of all thirty-eight liberals here...

...i'd like to apologize for leading the party astray.

[Boom Sound 416]

18. Yes me too

I'm sure I cost my precint 20-30 votes at least yesterday just by being liberal

[Enthusiast]

96. Pfft!

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[Vincardog]

101. Thirty NINE

[deurbano]

132. 40

[SamKnause]

8. I will not vote for Hillary.

I share no blame for the voters who are uniformed or misinformed.

I share no blame for the millions who do not vote.

I share no blame for the Supreme Court ruling that our news does not have to be factual or accurate.

I share no blame for the Supreme Court ruling allowing unlimited campaign contributions.

I will not vote for Hillary.

All branches of government will be under Republican control if Hillary wins the presidency.

No thanks.

[Capt. Obvious]

11. President Herman Cain thanks you

as does Vice President Michele Bachmann.

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. i am with you capt.

[LondonReign2]

123. LMAO!

[mythology]

59. Great, now I won't be able to sleep tonight

I'd rather have Miley Cyrus than those two.

[arcane1]

135. Two losers who could not even win their primaries.

[Initech]

190. Pizza for everyone!

[hifiguy]

14. I am with you, Sam. 100%!

[SamKnause]

15. Thank you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. seee ya Independent..

Dont let the door hit ya she has the ability to kick repuke ass..

[sabrina 1]

50. Me neither, let's see if the party refuses to listen AGAIN. How many losses will it take

before they learn that Dems want Democrats they can vote FOR? Amazing to see that some are still delusional enough to think it was the fault of the voters.

[FiveGoodMen]

100. You're assuming that the party cares whether it wins.

I'm not sure we should assume that.

The people running the party have their own concerns, their own careers, their own incomes to think about.

If they get paid to raise money whether we win or lose, if they have lots of connections for lobbying-type jobs after they're through here ... well, they have to act disappointed, but how does losing hurt them?

And that's aside from the possibility that some are getting too much corporate money to carry out their duties honestly.

The party may refuse to listen to us forever.

And never regret it.

[LondonReign2]

9. I think you have to blame the media too

What with their trick questions, such as asking Grimes what she stood for and all.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

98. ......heh......

[otohara]

128. MSNBC's Constant Reminders Of The Huge Colossal Loss Coming

gives lazy Dem's another reason to do nothing.

If Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnel say we're fucked, they why bother.

I won't be watching MSNBC for a few weeks - I need to detox

[LondonReign2]

134. And they failed to air Grimes', Udall's, and Hagan's constant

messages about their strong liberal policies and beliefs...

[Xyzse]

12. I'm sorry, I don't agree with you.

I am an Independent, and yes I voted pretty much a straight Democratic Ticket.
(except for County Council which did not show party affiliation, and I wrote in my name there just because it was asking for 4 people. I voted for 3, wrote in one.)

I do not look for party purity.
I mostly vote against the Republican party at this time.

Their campaign sucked, and let me show you some ways:

1 - Their email campaign was a stinker. When you tick off even your base with your emails, you're just not providing good will.
2 - Motivation was just not there. When Democratic candidates can't be proud of what they have accomplished and instead takes in a further to the right position... That is Idiotic. The idea is to differentiate yourself from the opposition. They are Democrats, not "Republican-lite". It is also one of the reasons I get frustrated with Obama, he took too many positions that alienated those at the left. The Republicans were NEVER going to support any of it any way. Might as well go for what is actually good.

How could we, as supporters fight for them when they back-track on positions that we promote?

3 - Don't rely on just money. One of my biggest gripes on their email campaign was the huge push for just asking money. You know it was only 3 days before the election when they finally showed me volunteering options through email. If I didn't do my own digging, I would never have been able to do any phone calls or canvassing.

I will vote for Clinton if she wins the primaries. During the primaries, I will support whomever I think is best.

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. a cool head prevails...

[whatchamacallit]

13. K&R!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

16. So, you're saying we as party need to be republican-lite? Why not just join 'em,

since we can't beat 'em?

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. welcome to leave and start your own....

No one is holding you hostage..

[ChisolmTrailDem]

39. Um...

What the fuck are you babbling about? What a stupid thing to say!

[zappaman]

124. "When we lose the mid-terms,I will post "I told you so!" in every single whining post that results."

You better get started!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025500037#op

[cyberswede]

27. LOL. You're funny.

[liberal_at_heart]

29. If Hillary is the nominee and Sanders doesn't run I will right his name in anyway.

[polichick]

30. Is this humor?

[L0oniX]

219. We're learning from Manny's style.

[Travis_0004]

31. Grimes a centrist?

In fact the only person who ever accused grimes of being a democrat was MConnell. Grimes could have just about ran as a republican.

[Puglover]

42. She actually ran a commercial

shooting a fucking gun and bloviated "I'm not Barack Obama"

Yeah, that' how you win.

Christ on a crutch.

[SomethingFishy]

99. Wow.. I thought Udall was bad...

At least his problem was he tried to make it a one issue race.. This is just... I can't believe she actually thought this was a good ad...

[hfojvt]

166. I cannot wait until Cenk runs in 2016 in Montana

and wins in a landslide.

I am guessing that Kentucky voters do take their guns and their sports pretty seriously.

[Puglover]

168. I know Minnesotans hunt just a tad bit.

And Al Franken didn't feel the need to pander to that bullshit. I think the deal is, a lot of voters can smell phony no matter who is saying it.

[hfojvt]

185. Not in Twintown they don't

And that's the Democratic base.

I also know that Obama won Minnesota by 52.6 to 45. Not overwhelming, but a far, far cry from Kentucky where Romney won by 60.5 to 38 or Montana by 56.3 to 42 or Kansas by 59.7 to 38.

You simply do not win in those states by saying loudly "Gobama" and if your opponent tries to tie you to Obama, you'd better abjure it.

[Puglover]

191. What is the old saying?

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Given the choice between a real Republican and a fake one Republicans will choose the real one every time.

I would offer that with the numbers that you quote a Democrat wouldn't have a whole lot to lose by just being genuine.

Whatever. It's sad and it sucks.

[Scootaloo]

183. My jaw just broke the floorboards

I'm not sure how I'd never seen that ad before. Are you kidding me? Are you fucking KIDDING ME.

[F4lconF16]

192. This is exactly why we lost this election.

This is insanity. Democrats proclaiming themselves to be more Republican than Republicans. We have broad support on every damn issue, and yet not only do we run away from progressive policies, we're actively embracing Republican positions! This ad needs to be shown far and wide to show what we have become.

[Puglover]

232. Thom Hartmann

Just had a segment about how many progressive policies passed and how all of the Democrats that acted like Democrats won, and how the ConservaDems lost.

(Hey don't shoot me, (not you Scoot) go after Hartmann.

[AgingAmerican]

231. "Look at me! Look at me"

"I'm a halfpublican! Vote for me!!"

[laundry_queen]

239. LOL "halfpublican".

So perfect.

[world wide wally]

94. I though she WAS a Republican. Did't she vote for Romney?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

32. Hah.

You had me fooled in the headline.

I was all ready to hop in and ask if you really thought playing Cassandra is anything but frustrating... To see the path to stupid, to warn, and warn, and warn, and see people still take the stupid path, and then have them turn around and try to blame the outcome on you...

[RedCappedBandit]

33. Without liberals your "centrist winners" (lol)

would be so far to the right the rest of us would become physically ill just watching.

You can't blame the tiny niche community of liberals on this board for poor democratic turnout during a midterm election. But you're doing a great job driving that wedge further down the middle of the party. Keep it up.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

34. It's sarcasm, he just didn't put in the tag. nt

[RedCappedBandit]

119. Damn, it seems you're right. My bad. nt

[alcina]

126. Whew. /nt

[ladyVet]

58. You've got that right.

You guys want to keep pushing to the right, go ahead. Who you going to come crying to when it truly doesn't matter if the president and congress are R or D?

Want us to leave your precious centrist, Republican ass-kissing party? Guess what? Some of us are. Try to win elections without us.

I'm proud to be a liberal. It was good enough for John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and it's good enough for me.

[fredamae]

35. 73.9% Turnout in

my county. Liberals Increased turnout. Oregon legislature picked up a couple more Dem seats and passed cannabis legalization, ERA, Defeated Kochs M90 and GMO labeling is still too close to call.
I'm old, Liberal and I do not accept any blame. I do, however Blame Corp Dems and Corp Leadership. The country pretty much preserved progressive pols, rejected corporate Dems-mostly in Red states already.

[still_one]

36. If Hillary and her handlers are stupid enough to go on full attack against the Obama administration

she will lose the election, and divide the party even more.

That is Provided she runs and gets the nomination of course.

However, if she focuses on the accomplishments of the Democrats, and the constant obstruction of the republicans, it will serve her and the party much better

[Puglover]

37. My state has one of the highest turnout rates in the country.

Our Democrats ran as (gasp) Democrats.

And pretty much all of them won.

[Dr. Strange]

41. I voted for Ralph Nader.

I wrote him in for County Commissioner. He didn't win, though.

[jwirr]

63. You should have sent us a flier and we would have joined you!

[Capt. Obvious]

64. Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

[Deny and Shred]

184. I think of that episode often ...

... just about every time I read around here that the party hasn't moved far enough to the right yet.

Apparently, enslavement is 'shucky ducky' because Kang had a D before his name.


Great thread - went right over many of the usual heads, as if the 'strategy' that led to yesterday never happened. Whoosh !!!

The OP sarcasm is Obvious to me, Cap'n.

[Myrina]

43. I hope this is sarcasm.

If it's not, well ... then, you're just fucking stupid.

[Phlem]

44. Thank god this is sarcasm.

I almost blew a vein.

[LiberalElite]

236. It's sarcasm? then i have to delete my angry post

[Phlem]

238. At this point I don't know anymore.

I had a sternly worded reply as well but deleted it cause someone said it was sarcasm. By the time the thread grew I was done posting for a while and went back to work. It's exhausting dealing with the 3rd way.

[grahamhgreen]

45. Weak sauce will never defeat Republican extremism, sorry, private.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. 3rd Way "practical politics" worked ever so well yesterday that we'll double down with Hillary.

[AgingAmerican]

233. The election results were 'pragmatic'

nt

[Rex]

47. Not us! Will Pitt and Manny! Those two guys caused it all!

A YUP!

[totodeinhere]

48. This OP is flame bait if I ever saw it.

The Dems lost because the party didn't stand for what the American people need. It lost because it wasn't progressive enough, not the other way around. Take that to the bank.

[annabanana]

56. not so much flame bait

.. as let the corporate dems stand naked before us....

[AgingAmerican]

52. We lost because of centrism

We lost because the Democratic party has become 'halfpublican' and right wing, and thus largely irrelevant. If we want to become relevant again, we must return to our roots.

We controlled both houses of congress for 40 years, between 1954 - 1994. We did so by being the party of the left.

Democrats are not halfpublicans. Democrats are not centrists. Democrats are the left.

[Art_from_Ark]

241. Well, we did control the House from 1954 to 1994,

but we lost the Senate in 1980, regained it in 1986, and lost it again in 1994.

[AverageJoe90]

53. You forgot the sarcasm tag, btw. nt

[LondonReign2]

67. Capt. Obvious doesn't do sarcasm tags

That's what confuses a lot of folks unfamiliar with his posting history

[Iggo]

206. Because Obvious.

[closeupready]

54. Hillary is simply more of the reason why we lost last night.

Put her up as the nominee, and watch Republicans take back the White House, resoundingly.*

(* though I will support her if she DOES win the nomination.)

[doc03]

60. I say bullshit, they all ran as Republican lite instead of Democrats. They ran from

Obama and brought the Clintons in for help. Why didn't they run on the economic recovery like Reagan did? The let the Republicans set the agenda and
never fought back. I think a good part of the blame can go to Obama, he has no backbone.

[yellowcanine]

97. I agree. What did they gain by running away from Obama?

I don't see how we could have done worse, so maybe next time we go with our strength. The ACA is working, unemployment is down, gas prices are down, Ebola is being held in check, how in the world do we lose a wave election? The Republican noise machine rewrote the reality and we let it happen.

As Harry Truman said, "If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time"

[doc03]

194. Amen n/t

[Politicalboi]

61. If we didn't learn from these past 6 years

It's hopeless. These red states that have Medicaid will have to lose their health care to "maybe" see the light if their illness doesn't kill them first.

[world wide wally]

103. Yep^

[BlindTiresias]

70. Lol

I see you are taking the piss, very subtle I have to say.

[CrispyQ]

71. I miss unrec.

[MissDeeds]

92. So do I

I cannot believe crap like this on DU.

I'll see your and raise you one

[lame54]

75. Time to change your name

[liberal N proud]

76. I didn't even have a Democrat to vote for in a couple of races

How can you win elections if you don't have a candidate?

[L0oniX]

220. Our Dem rep pulled out after he remembered he had a prior engagement ...truth.

We were left with a lib and rep to vote for ...or against.

[Douglas Carpenter]

77. you're trying to obscure the undeniable fact that Glenn Greewald caused this loss

[Capt. Obvious]

78. That's absurd

This is really just a distraction from Benghazi.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

80. what are you talking about?

Maybe the R's outspent? Maybe the R's stole it? Maybe some middle of the roaders sat at home? Seriously, how in the world can you hang this on liberals? I am a politically liberal member of this board. I'm at a loss to make sense of your post.

[Blue_In_AK]

81. This is sarcasm, right, Captain Obvious?

[Enthusiast]

106. I recommended it believing it to be sarcasm.

[LanternWaste]

82. Everyone seems to know precisely why the Democrats lost.

Everyone seems to know precisely why the Democrats lost. The only problem being, everyone's premises are different. I think I may wait until the studied analysis comes in before I too, pretend to have absolute knowledge and disparage other Democrats based on that pretense.

[MannyGoldstein]

83. LOL

Well done.

But always be thoughtful of Poe's law, you're scaring the hell out of people!

[somebody-else]

85. hillary? really?

http://www.alternet.org/world/5-most-hawkish-positions-embraced-hillary-clinton

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/ralph-nader-rails-against-corporatist-militarist-hillary-clinton-shes-a-menace-to-the-usa/

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/11/quiz-said-hillary-clinton-benjaim-netanyahu/

[yellowcanine]

86. Not sure that finger pointing is useful.

We got our butts kicked. We need to find ways to get candidates people can support enthusiastically but the way to do that is not to talk about "purity tests" etc. It is to get more people involved in the primary process. How do we do that? Adopting Republican language ("adults in the party&quot isn't going to do it, that is for sure. Hillary will lose if everyone "gets out of the way" for her. Why do you think Obama won in 2008? Not because everyone got out of the way for him. Having to go head to head with Hillary made him a better candidate and expanded the Democratic electorate in the general election.

[RufusTFirefly]

88. I believe the preferred nomenclature is "Professional Liberals."

Please try to get it right the next time, OK?

Besides, you're mistaken. It's Ralph Nader's fault. As it was and ever shall be. World without end. Ramen.

[dballance]

89. Please go pound sand.

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I find your OP offensive.

We lost last night because the "liberal" and progressive people didn't trumpet the successes of the Obama administration enough. We lost because the GOP appealed to their old, white base who will actually get off their asses and vote and who have ample voting machines in their white precincts.

Hillary is not my favorite candidate. She's far too hawkish and corporatist.

[L0oniX]

221. XL tar sand?

[jtuck004]

90. Is the volume up on your computer? ... <G>

[Spitfire of ATJ]

93. This gave me a chuckle....

Considering it was Conservadems who lost.

[Enthusiast]

109. I believe the OP was sarcasm.

[ReRe]

117. Today is NOT a good day for...

... sarcasm. I'm so spittin' mad I can't differentiate. I'll go remove it before someone climbs down my throat. Damn sure don't need that! Thanks for calling this to my attention.

[MissDeeds]

129. IF it is sarcasm, it's in very poor taste

Especially today. Not funny, not helpful, just pathetic.

[Bobbie Jo]

210. Agreed.

Lame effort on all counts.

[derby378]

110. You're always welcome to seek greener pastures elsewhere...

...since you're so unhappy with the Democratic Party. I think we'll choose our own candidates, thankyewverramuch.

[NRaleighLiberal]

112. it's not a good day for snark and sarcasm...lots of misreading going on around here today.

[lpbk2713]

170. Unfortunately, to some sarcasm is a lifestyle.

And some of us just don't have the time or the inclination to make a study of everyone's idiosyncrasies.

[NRaleighLiberal]

173. understood. Wide array today of reactions to yesterday's mess -

I tend to use sarcasm to relieve the pressure, but am sensitive to understanding it doesn't play well to everyone.

I found that a long dog walk with colorful foliage all around helped immensely. I can't make sense of yesterday, so must let it go for a few days...too depressing and confounding.

[daleanime]

113. ........

[HoosierRadical]

114. You're being sarcastic right?

I'm in no mood for this.

[adieu]

120. So while we're inspecting our navels...

There are two competing tactics.

One is: we didn't go hard left enough and had pablum for candidates, and there were nothing for liberals or independents to latch onto, so they either stayed away or voted for the more headstrong GOP candidate. So, we should go hard and get some real progressive liberals out there to provide a fresh voice and a fresh choice.

The second is: we must work towards a consensus and support candidates that all members of the Democratic Party can decently rally being. No one is going to be the perfect candidate, so everyone knows that there is something lacking from the chosen candidate, but let's try to unite behind the chosen one regardless.

Either tactic can work, depending on where, who the opponent is, how the local electorate (local at the district to the state level) are with regards to partisanship and fervor.

But for today, we must sift through the destruction and see why some candidates lost and why some candidates won. It's a bit too early to tell, but it will be worthwhile to do some forensics on the election results, do some polling, do some boots on the ground hard questions to determine what were the causes. I doubt there is one or even many countrywide cause(s). I think there are different reasons in different regions. Some just may not be ready for a female leader, no matter what. Some didn't like the milquetoast nature of the candidate, some didn't like the overly partisan liberalness of the candidate. You can't apply the solutions in one state to another. But you can apply the methodology of analysis and reasoning to all cases.

[turbinetree]

122. Are you a republican I mean REALLY ARE YOU One

You have just succeeded in your rant to keep and place a right wing majority leader (Touche Turtle) presently on the TV gloating that he is willing to fix the senate when he filibustered over 413 bills since 2008 and is trying to lay the blame on the democrats in the senate for the ills of this country and then have him say the issue was not in the house (Congress) of right wing representatives are you an adult and serious in your rant?
I am a left winger, and I am proud of this fact and to have you lay the issue at Grimes ,Nunn, and Pryors defeat at there feet is hypocritical, they are centrist.
You have a right wing Sec. of State in Georgia conveniently miss place over 40,000 voter registrations and you say move on
We have no purity tests like the right wing republicans and to insinuate that kind rant is disdain for this party and ideals of equality
You have in this country as we speak a continued push to deny the right to vote, 600,000 in Texas, 300,000 in Wisconsin, 250,000 in Ohio are just examples in over 27 states.
The right to privacy on health issues
You have right wing U.S. Supreme Court denying people (human beings) the right to vote and you say move on---- really, when all people those same people of ethic color and back ground have died for this right.
How would you feel if you were denied this right please tell us all how it would feel.
Centrist, and the Third way for less have gotten us into this mess if the first place.
You say we should lick our wounds really and you say we should move on to Hillary, maybe you should read a book about Francis Perkins before you come on this blog and tells us what a lefty is and who to consider,
She was and is a heroine of mine, that is what we need in this party and not some centrists:

[deurbano]

137. The OP agrees with you.

[LondonReign2]

141. I really would have thought the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs

would tip people off. But as Manny said, Poe's Law. There are actually people here they would post this sort of thing completely straight faced.

[deurbano]

178. Poe's Law combined with the shell shock, I think...

[jonjensen]

127. you think leftys have a better chance of winning in the south?

get behind mrs clinton as elizabeth warren has done for 2016 and president obama should do amnesty right now what his he waiting for ???????????????

[DeSwiss]

133. ''It's time to get ready for Hillary.''

- Well, that'll sure make the Republican sweep complete. No thanks but I prefer my poison straight, no chaser. Otherwise, it just prolongs the agony.....





Just Say No To Pantsuits!

[okieinpain]

139. damn i just figured out this is not a sarcastic post. n/t.

[valerief]

142. Oh, blow me. Off to Ignore with you! Or are you being sarcastic?

I can't tell anymore with all damn trolls.

[damnedifIknow]

151. Turnout is what caused the loss

Liberals are way cool in my book.

[workinclasszero]

152. If Hillary is the nominee I will hold my nose and vote for her

But I think its total BS blaming the left/actual democrats for last nights Third way/rethug lite debacle!

Go back to freakrepublic OP, they miss you!

[MynameisBlarney]

156. Can't tell if trolling, or serious.

*edit*

Dammitalltohell!

Poe' Law strikes again.

[ChiciB1]

160. Your FINGER POINTING Is Just So STUPID!

Absolutely absurd! I worked very, very, hard to GOTV here in FL and actually tapped in to a lot of younger voters, Repukes who said they couldn't stand Rick Scott! I KNOW they didn't vote for him, but I do believe something may have been tampered with down here!

Call it bad loser, whatever... but IT WAS PROVEN that Bush DID NOT win in 2000! And I'm a Liberal and constantly said "we need to vote" no matter what!

I find your comments to be more than offensive. Why don't YOU concentrate a little bit more on THE BLUE DOG Democrats who roll over all the time! Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was am extremely bad choice to head DNC! Not only liberals think this.

In all the years I've been here at DU have I ever put anyone on ignore, probably won't do it, but between you and VanillaRhapsody I'm tired of being attacked!

Was going to go on, but it's useless...

[Puglover]

169. Um...

he is being sarcastic.

[MissDeeds]

172. +10000

I cannot believe this post remains on DU, but for some reason it does. Many here have found it offensive, especially today. If it is sarcasm, it is ill timed. This OP has ruffled a lot of feathers at a time when many of us are hurting. It should be removed.

[Earth_First]

198. Check the batteries on your sarcasm meter...

Mine are fresh, and my radar is registering off the charts!

Be well...

[uppityperson]

179. You took a long time to write that and poof, it is gone. Thanks MIRT

[Zen Democrat]

181. We lost because Republicans vote for anybody with an R by their name.

Democrats are more discriminating. They won't vote for a candidate they don't respect. Republicans will vote for any unqualified horse's ass or bozo who runs as a conservative.

[Oilwellian]

188. I think Capt. Obvious needs a spanking

Bend over!

[AngryAmish]

196. Hey, you stole Manny's schtick.

[Warren DeMontague]

197. I'm waiting for Hillary to promise to crack down on the "problem" of medical marijuana, because

that is what the electorate demands. Just ask Debbie Wasserman-Schultz!

That, and more Bible quotes.

Then she's INEVITABLE!

[Capt. Obvious]

199. The most sensible response in this thread

[QC]

200. My Birkenstocks singlehandedly caused 87 people waiting in line to vote

to turn around and go home.

All of them told me, on the way out the door, that they had been planning to vote Democratic until I showed up.

I'm so sorry!

[CrawlingChaos]

244. Well I hope you're happy

You and your damn Birkenstocks. Nice job pal.


(thanks for the laugh)

[QC]

246. Secretly, I am very pleased.

I really wanted President Palin!

[JoePhilly]

202. Half the country is nuts ... and the other half fights amonst itself ...

... endlessly.

And that's why we lose.

[RKP5637]

204. I'm in favor of a candidate, whomever that might be, that can best win against the republican

political machine. I have idealistic values in terms of my sig. line, but I often wonder just how many Americans are interested in these values. Whatever, the democratic party needs to be united and not fractured.

[L0oniX]

222. Uhm ...so that would be whoever has more money. Ok

[RKP5637]

223. Sad, isn't it, that this is what this great experiment in democracy has evolved to and

with Citizens United.

[HereSince1628]

207. It's just plain rude to blame the voters that voted

When a restaurant fails in your town do you blame the consumers?

It's only tunnel vision that can make that look right.

If people don't like products that are offered then the failure MUST MOSTLY be the fault of the people choosing to sell the products to consumers in the places where the products are sold.

Believing the voters are to blame completely lets off incompetent politicians that don't connect to the electorate

[840high]

208. ....

[Capt. Obvious]

209. The scoreboard doesn't lie

[HereSince1628]

212. Interpreters of the score can spin any story they want

to fit their view.

What people who think it's all about party loyalty and losses should be blamed on voters don't get is the process isn't all about party loyalty and voting for the team.

What politicians who push neo-liberal corporatist don't get that many people recognize that being a pro neo-liberal corporatist dem precludes being able to be FOR social spending.

Politicians who do that repeatedly turn out to be unable to deliver what they promise. Just like Mary Burke, the dem who lost to Walker. One of her last sets of school board votes involved voting FOR raises to salaries of school employees, BUT then votng against the increase in taxation that would make those raises possible.

The assumption that the base will vote for anyone because the base hasn't any other place to go, is deliberately suspending belief in reality. Voters faced with no other place to go on election day can just stay home.

[RedstDem]

227. what the hell is this?

I not holding my nose anymore, I'm voting for the closest thing to a progressive from here on out.

I'm talking about going green if need be.

Fuck it.

[Capt. Obvious]

229. Go ahead, throw your vote away

[Doctor_J]

237. I wasn't able to vote because I never got the pony I was promised in 2008

and it's too far to walk.

[CrawlingChaos]

245. I knew it was my fault

Gonna hit the shower for a slow, crying wall slide.

[Rex]

247. kickakickakicka