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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:27 AM Nov 2014

According to exit polls 23% of Americans are liberal, 40% are moderate , and 36% are conservative

Ideologically, 36 percent of respondents said they are conservative, while 23 percent said they are liberal. Another 40 percent said they are moderates.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/exit-polls-2014-republican-democrat-turnout-112505.html#ixzz3Ia6v6c55


What should be our response?

Reach out to find common ground with folks who don't think like us


or


Ignore the results because the average American is too stupid to know what his or her beliefs are and what his or her beliefs make him or her?

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According to exit polls 23% of Americans are liberal, 40% are moderate , and 36% are conservative (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 OP
And has been posted and countered, Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #1
Problem is those labels predict how people geek tragedy Nov 2014 #5
Not when it comes to policy n2doc Nov 2014 #13
Too bad we elect representatives Recursion Nov 2014 #15
People are rational when they think about issues geek tragedy Nov 2014 #26
Thank you for sparing me the trouble of posting nearly the same thing corkhead Nov 2014 #10
So you belong to the latter category DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #12
Huh? daleanime Nov 2014 #28
My remarks speak for themselves. They require no further elucidation. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #29
Which means.... daleanime Nov 2014 #31
The important thing to remember Proud Public Servant Nov 2014 #2
Bingo! Scuba Nov 2014 #33
23% of 1/3rd of America. nt tridim Nov 2014 #3
Even among the general public the numbers are pretty constant, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #7
All fine and dandy Faux pas Nov 2014 #18
Those are representative samples DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #19
VERY SMALL SAMPLES. Faux pas Nov 2014 #25
Honestly, focus on state races rather than congress geek tragedy Nov 2014 #4
Just my humble opinion Faux pas Nov 2014 #6
See #7 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #8
But on virtually any given issue, two-thirds of Americans hold the Liberal view MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #9
According to exit polls means it only refers to Americans leaving polling places... HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #11
Please see Post 7 (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #14
Their views are irrelevant if they don't vote treestar Nov 2014 #22
If you don't understand the nature of extrapolating HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #38
Exit polls only measure the opinions of people who vote. MineralMan Nov 2014 #16
Please see Post 7 (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #17
Why poll them? treestar Nov 2014 #21
Well, that's the attitude candidates take, generally. MineralMan Nov 2014 #24
We win sometimes treestar Nov 2014 #30
You're right. In fact, I just posted an OP on that phenomenon. MineralMan Nov 2014 #32
If Bernie Sanders were President treestar Nov 2014 #20
The whole question is meaningless and kaiserhog Nov 2014 #23
That is according to labels, but majority have liberal positions on point Nov 2014 #27
That's a good sign since we should be able to reach a good chunk of those 40 percent moderates. DCBob Nov 2014 #34
Oh FFS - midterm election exit poll sampling is skewed right Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #35
I wonder, though, about those self-identifying as 'moderate'. Unmoored from any KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #36
A) Those are just the people who came out to vote. Zorra Nov 2014 #37
60% DIDNT FUCKING VOTE. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #39
Realize that 60% TBF Nov 2014 #40

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
1. And has been posted and countered,
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:32 AM
Nov 2014

oh, I don't know, at least 500 times here, this is a poll that has people self-identifying with labels. Since the word "liberal" has been denigrated by the Republicans and Third-Way "Democrats," most people misunderstand the definition. When polls are taken on positions, for example, raising minimum wage or providing low-cost student loans, the vast majority of people, regardless of how they self-identify, favor liberal causes.

But keep on posting same old canard 'cause goddess knows we haven't seen it enough.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
13. Not when it comes to policy
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:45 AM
Nov 2014

People voted for increases in the minimum wage, and increases in conservation efforts. Even in Florida.

Problem is, liberal has been disconnected from policy and only the met excessive, derogatory lies are associated with the term. That has to change, or Democrats need a new term. Or maybe an old one, like 'Progressive"

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. People are rational when they think about issues
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:29 AM
Nov 2014

Problem is they are completely irrational when they vote.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
12. So you belong to the latter category
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:45 AM
Nov 2014

And everybody that believes differently than you is either wrong or delusional?

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
31. Which means....
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:46 AM
Nov 2014

don't brother paying any attention to some one else's views?



Then why start a discussion?




I have to say that comes across like a rock troll.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
2. The important thing to remember
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:33 AM
Nov 2014

is that that's self-identification. Conservatives have spent years, quite successfully, demonizing the word "liberal"; it's not surprising that people would eschew the label. But when questioned about policies, those people embrace liberal ones in greater numbers.

The same problem, incidentally, is in evidence among women whose values completely align with the major goals of feminism but refuse to label themselves "feminists."

The solution, I firmly believe, is to have a clear, and clearly-explainable, set of principles and policies that define us, so that our opponents have a harder time tarnishing our label.

Faux pas

(14,645 posts)
18. All fine and dandy
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:02 AM
Nov 2014

IF the polls didn't just poll a SMALL percentage of people. If the polls polled the ENTIRE population, then I'd take their (gallup/whomever) word.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
19. Those are representative samples
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:09 AM
Nov 2014

Do you dismiss every poll that doesn't poll every single Americans because those polls don't exist?

And if we dismiss very poll because they use a representative sample instead of polling everybody how do we know what people think about anything?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. Honestly, focus on state races rather than congress
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:33 AM
Nov 2014

We no longer have national policy or legislation on anything that matters. States and the president will be responsible for all policy initiatives.

This will be especially true when the SCOTUS kills the ACA next year.

Focus on local politics--the local assembly person is much more important than your US senator.

Faux pas

(14,645 posts)
6. Just my humble opinion
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:39 AM
Nov 2014

I think those percentages are the percentage of each group who voted. Not the percentage of the entire population. Duh?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. But on virtually any given issue, two-thirds of Americans hold the Liberal view
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:41 AM
Nov 2014

Increasing Social Security benefits, Medicare for all, raising the minimum wage, and so forth.

Two thirds!

Americans love Liberal ideas, but they've heard nothing but demonization of the word Liberal by Republicans and Third Wayers alike for decades.

The Third-Way chuckleheads who own our party today have fled from these positions, which may help them and their families to get rich on Wall Street, but it doesn't get votes for Democrats.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. According to exit polls means it only refers to Americans leaving polling places...
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:44 AM
Nov 2014

It appears that half of eligible Americans didn't enter let alone EXIT a polling place.

Based on this poll we MUST move RIGHTERER? R...I.....G........H..............T.................!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
38. If you don't understand the nature of extrapolating
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:44 PM
Nov 2014

from a nonrandom sample...then you can't be helped to understand why that statement cannot be about -ALL- Americans.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
16. Exit polls only measure the opinions of people who vote.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 10:47 AM
Nov 2014

Those who don't vote don't get polled. That's a big part of the problem.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
24. Well, that's the attitude candidates take, generally.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:20 AM
Nov 2014

Only the "likely voter" polls are of interest to candidates, and that's part of the reason we get the results in elections that we get. It's a feedback loop that reinforces itself at every election.

I don't know how to interrupt the feedback.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. We win sometimes
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:41 AM
Nov 2014

Likely voters are the ones to go after. The apathetic would take so much effort and you can put a lot of effort into apathetic people and they still won't do anything.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. If Bernie Sanders were President
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:13 AM
Nov 2014

They'd all be liberal in no time. At least, that's the impression I get here.

on point

(2,506 posts)
27. That is according to labels, but majority have liberal positions
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:31 AM
Nov 2014

According to issues

This only a reflection of the fact we let pukes denigrate the liberal label. Step 1 might be to reclaim the label.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
34. That's a good sign since we should be able to reach a good chunk of those 40 percent moderates.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:03 PM
Nov 2014

We just need to get our message out better to counter the Republican lies and RW media backing them up.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
35. Oh FFS - midterm election exit poll sampling is skewed right
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:06 PM
Nov 2014

because the democratic voters, for whatever reason, can't be bothered to vote in midterm elections.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
36. I wonder, though, about those self-identifying as 'moderate'. Unmoored from any
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:06 PM
Nov 2014

specific issues or candidates, I'm surprised the % of people identifying as 'moderate' isn't even higher.

"Moderate" is almost a meaningless label, imo, because it can mean different things to different people, depending almost upon what they had for breakfast on a given day.

So let me put the question out there. What does 'moderate' even mean any longer?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
37. A) Those are just the people who came out to vote.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:24 PM
Nov 2014

B) Our response should be non-violent revolution, unless someone can find a way to instantaneously mind wipe the brainwashing out of their heads.

I have no common ground with fascists, and their unfortunate brainwashed clones, because I haven't owned a TV for 40 years. I don't have any of the matrix bullshit that was planted in their heads in my consciousness. I've never undergone the National American Video Lobotomy.



TBF

(32,013 posts)
40. Realize that 60%
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:18 AM
Nov 2014

of the country is not voting at all. And you're worried about 1/3 of the 1/3 who actually show up? 60% are so fed up they don't even care enough to show up.

Think about that.

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