Ring of Fire: "THE BLUE DOG DEMS SIGNALING A PURGE LIBERAL DEMS FROM PARTY" ??

[99th_Monkey]

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This is so fucked up, I don't have words. It's shit like this that forces Progressive Dems to think about 3rd parties and such.

THE BLUE DOG DEMS BEGIN THEIR PITCH TO PURGE LIBERAL DEMS FROM THE PARTY
Posted on November 8, 2014 * by Joshua De Leon * Ring of Fire

Joe Manchin (D-WV) is a coal-backing, right-wing-minded Democrat and a conservative sellout. Crooks and Liars reported that Manchin stepped down from NoLabels, a club for other, like-minded Democrats who sell out their own party.

Democrats like Manchin not only make their party weak, but they also make the party look desperate for votes by pandering to the Republican, conservative voters. Manchin pushes coal production, bashes the Affordable Care Act, and knocks the president every chance he gets. He feels that by doing so, he will appeal to Republican voters thus sealing a spot in Congress for a Democrat. That logic is beyond broken.

According to Time Magazine:

Manchin, one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress, could fill a key role next year as the Senate Republican majority tries to implement its agenda, including authorizing the Keystone XL pipeline and raising the Affordable Care Act’s workweek from 30 hours to 40 hours—two proposals that Manchin supports and believes have enough bipartisan support to reach 60 votes for passage. He called a Keystone vote a “slam-dunk,” and he considers the Obamacare fix crucial despite a nonpartisan congressional report that found it would reduce the number of people receiving employment-based coverage by about 1 million people and increase the deficit by about $25 billion over the next five years

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Democrats like Manchin only weaken the party and the liberal movement. Democrats like Manchin are why the party bungled this year’s midterms, even losing blue states to the Repubs. Crooks and Liars noted that Manchin “just wants to see the Senate work. And if it works with Republicans at the helm, passing lots of right-wing corporate agenda items, that’s totally fine with him.”

http://ringoffireradio.com/2014/11/the-blue-dog-dems-begin-their-pitch-to-purge-liberal-dems-from-the-party/

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. I hope to see Manchin FAIL. n/t

[Warpy]

25. He will fail

because he's simply gotten so wrapped up in his own dogma that he's neglected to look at who the voters are, something that's epidemic among conservative Democrats.

I would point out to Manchin that Mark Udall, a staunch Third Way Democrat, was defeated in Colorado, while we in NM sent the more liberal Tom Udall back for another term.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. All Manchin (and, other similar politicians) is an (R) after his name.

[L0oniX]

3. I expect centrist dino's to vote with the repukes. They will sell us out for thirty pieces of...

campaign money silver as usual.

[blkmusclmachine]

22. +1. The DINOS will join the GOP to thwart us starting in January. No question about it.

[NYC_SKP]

4. The momentum seems to be toward that end. Time to put on the brakes.

I remember that the reform party was able to make quite a showing with Ross Perot.

We lack funding, but I refuse to accept any more of this nonsense.

[jaysunb]

5. I expect Manchin to switch parties any day now. N/T

[KingCharlemagne]

16. That would make him the second rat in history to swim towards a

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sinking ship (The first being former TX Governor John Connally, who switched to the Republican Party just as Watergate was coming to a boil.)

[enlightenment]

41. You forgot Ben Nighthorse-Campbell.

A Colorado Dem senator who jumped ship MID-TERM.

[KingCharlemagne]

44. Ah yes, there's no shortage of rats in these parts. Thanks for the reminder. I had

indeed forgotten that particular piece of perfidy,.

[arthritisR_US]

6. I am so sick of DINO's!

[MissDeeds]

33. I am too

And it makes me furious to think we are supposed to vote for anyone with a "D" after their name, as if a letter makes them a true Democrat. No way in hell will I do that.

[arthritisR_US]

43. It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. - Alfred Adler

We have to start sometime or this party will become a carbon copy of pathetic making it indistinguishable from the repub's.

[Tom Rinaldo]

7. Manchin is a Democrat elected from West Virginia

He is a centrist which makes him left of Republican Party candidates in that state by a wide margin. Manchin caucuses with the Democrats, and more often than not votes for the national Democratic position. I'm glad we have him from that state. I would be angry as hell to have him represent us from PA, NY, CA, CT, OR, MA etc. etc. I would be unhappy if he were the Democratic Senator from a more purple state like Colorado or Ohio even. But I'll take a Joe Manchin from West Virginia, Alabama or Utah any day, for the intermediate future at least.

[asjr]

8. I have never liked Joe Manchin! I could tell just looking at his face

that he was an actor who would play any role in D.C. He does not work for his country or his party. He has too many faces.

[Skidmore]

37. Huh?

[kelliekat44]

9. Screw the Senate!!! What good is having a Senate that "works" if they a"work" for the wrong things?

Sometimes nothing is better than something.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

10. The headline doesn't seem to have anything to do with the article. N.T.

[aikoaiko]

12. I noticed that too.

[99th_Monkey]

15. Actually, you have a good point

Thanks for pointing that out.

In a way, ROF is sounding like it would like the party to purge the likes of Manchin.

[onenote]

36. Right. But if you say OMFG and use all caps, some DUers won't even bother to read it

and will assume the OP has read the article, or isn't willfully misrepresenting it. Something I've learned you should n't assume around here.

[Cerridwen]

11. "pro-life," Democrats for Life of America, joe manchin?

http://www.democratsforlife.org/index.php/elected-pro-life-dems/pro-life-democrats

Elected Pro-Life Democrats

Below is a list of elected Pro-Life Democrats as of October 25, 2013. If you know of an elected pro-life Democrat who should be added to the list, please let us know via our contact form.
Pro-Life Democratic Senators

Senator Bob Casey, PA
Senator Joe Manchin, WV
Senator Joe Donnelly, IN

Pro-Life Democratic House Members:

Congressman Mike McIntyre, NC-07
Congressman Nick Rahall, WV-03
Congressman Dan Lipinski, IL-03
Congressman Collin Peterson, MN-07

Go to the link to check out their stance on abortion, stem cell research, the Mexico City policy and more.

Here's a link to the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrats_for_Life_of_America

Read more about dfla at Mother Jones; including information about their anti-ACA stance:

Mommy, What's a Pro-Life Democrat?

Pro-Life Dem Driehaus’s Worst Enemy: Other Pro-Lifers

Apparently the "pro-life" groups are starting to require more staunch support from their "Democratic" friends.

Exactly how big is our big tent these days?

[Cryptoad]

19. I don't know a single Democrat who is not pro life.......nt

[TrollBuster9090]

13. There are two distinct strategies for Democrats to win in Deep Red States. Manchin represents ONE

There are two distinct strategies for Democrats to win in Deep Red States. Manchin represents one of them, which hasn't been too successful, on average.

One way: Run to the right, and try and convince Republicans, and Republican-leaning independent voters who are disenchanted with the GOP that these Blue Dog Democrats are JUST LIKE Republicans, only not as crazy, and not as corrupt.

That's one way, and that's what they tried this time.

The other way: Given that only about 40% of voters actually turn out to vote on election day, why not find out what the 60% who DON'T vote want, and what it would take to make them turn out on election day. My guess is that there are masses of left-leaning voters who don't vote because they don't see any difference between the parties. And that's not a BUG, it's a FEATURE if you're trying STRATEGY ONE (above).

[roguevalley]

14. who are these fuckers? let's purge them out. Youtube, petitions and our twitter. We need to kick the

fuckers back to the republicans where they belong.

[ReRe]

17. K&R

And what's really really sad is he is sitting in Robert Byrd's seat.

[silvershadow]

18. They are just getting ahead of what will be the real story. I'm betting it will be the

other way around.

[Doctor_J]

20. I'm OK with that. frankly I am tired of The Party(c) asking for my money and vote

and then representing insurance companies, energy companies, prison companies, defence companies, school privatization companies, and wall street. I can stop voting straight ticket with a clear conscience

[jtuck004]

23. "I can stop voting straight ticket" < I did it to get the dirty taste out of my mouth. I like it

better now, but one has to think. That is much harder.

A choice between a party that put 15 million new people in poverty, or the party that put 15 million new people in poverty. <- that's hard.

One might think it is time to choose something other than the two plantations,

[bravenak]

27. Maybe we need an underground railroad?

Because I hate Plantations.

[jtuck004]

29. "I saved a thousand slaves. I could have saved a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

Harriett Tubman - on the success of her underground railroad.

Even if one know, there are those who like the plantation. All you have to do is grovel to stay.

I think Bernie Sanders suggestion of a 50 state org, consisting of people who want to get behind a set of progressive principles, starting with throwing Citizen's United in the trash is an excellent idea. It's probably the only thing that will help, apart from another Civil War, the American antidote to plantations.

[bravenak]

30. I agree.

I want a fifty state strategy with politicians who back the policies the PEOPLE want, not what DC thinks is the middle. We have to stop ignoring the poor and oppressed in favor of those who already have. We are fucking up and losing the lower class. The Senate looks like the House of Lords and the Congress the House of Nobles. I'm just waiting for a 'just let them eat cake!" moments from someone.

[FiveGoodMen]

21. Let's be clear.

If they succeed in doing this, the Democratic Party will become the enemy of every non-traitor in America.

And this site will have to decide whether to become small-d democraticunderground (i.e. principle-not-party) or whether it wants to effectively become GOP-co-conspiratorunderground.

[Enthusiast]

24. Why would voters cast their vote for Democrats if they are no different than Republicans?

Manchin is just another dumb fuck.

[stillwaiting]

26. Blue Dogs/DLC/Third Way REALLY do hate liberals/leftists.

I am beginning to return the feelings towards them...

[deutsey]

28. Sigh

[lark]

31. Fuck Mancin

He's no Democrat at all, just a Repug lite. He makes me sick, toadying to Repugs "to make government work". Funny,it never bothered Repugs for 6 years blocking the government from doing almost anything good.

[C Moon]

32. "...it is a duck."

[SoapBox]

34. Time for a new "Tea Party" made of real Democrats, Liberals and Progressives.

No DINO's...no Third Way...

Just back to what Democrats are supposed to be about.

Grassroots, bottom up and 50 State Strategy.

[onenote]

35. was there a different story that ran under the headline about purging the party

Because the linked article isn't about that (notwithstanding what you might assume from the OP's all-caps, hysterical OMFG freak out).

[treestar]

38. He can't do that

We just made the point that we can't purge them; they can't purge us either.

So you find the most conservative D you can find, from West Virginia, to pretend he's the average member of the party.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

39. I fucking KNEW if I did a Google image search I'd find this!!!

http://www.trbimg.com/img-50c9f354/turbine/hc-lieberman-with-sen-manchin-20121213

[NaturalHigh]

40. This is at least the second time this has been posted today...

and it's just as wrong now as it was the first time. The article does not support the hysterical headline.

[99th_Monkey]

42. I changed the OP header

Would have done it earlier but was away from computer & just got back.
Rephrased it to be a question, and removed alarmist OMFG, etc.

I will read contents more closely on RoF in future. Sorry for any ruffled feathers.