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geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 11:42 AM Nov 2014

Bernie Sanders Delivers A Gut Punch To the Republican Agenda To Screw Ordinary Americans

Last edited Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:15 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/11/08/bernie-sanders-delivers-gut-punch-republican-agenda-screw-ordinary-americans.html

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) went there. While the media is basking in the glow of Republican victory, Sanders predicted that the Republican agenda will focus on doing the exact opposite of what they American people want in order to make the wealthiest Americans more wealthy.

Sanders said,

Here’s the interesting point. You talk about Republican principles. The Republicans forgot to tell the American people what their principles are, so let me make a prediction. Let me make a prediction, and a year from now invite me back and we’ll see if I am right or wrong. This is exactly what they will do. The American people want to expand Social Security. What the Republicans will do is attempt to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and give huge tax breaks to the wealthy and large corporation. They will do exactly what the American people don’t want them to do. You talked about raising the minimum wage. They don’t believe in that. They want to do away with the concept of the minimum wage, so people will work for five bucks or four bucks an hour.
….
They will make the effort, and you talk about the Republican principles are to make the very richest people in this country richer at the expense of working families.

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Bernie Sanders Delivers A Gut Punch To the Republican Agenda To Screw Ordinary Americans (Original Post) geardaddy Nov 2014 OP
need a new vid link tk2kewl Nov 2014 #1
Spot On bpj62 Nov 2014 #2
A third party LiberalLovinLug Nov 2014 #69
Bernie talks a lot but does nothing else. He is just a political gadfly. nt CK_John Nov 2014 #3
Truth. noun. Political gadfly. mmonk Nov 2014 #4
What do you want him to do? please explain. nt Javaman Nov 2014 #5
Push and pass right wing, corporate garbage so he can "get stuff done" TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #14
Frankly, I'm not sure what you are talking about... Javaman Nov 2014 #34
Oh, I just jumped in and gave my interpretation of what the poster wanted from Bernie TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #56
wow subject Nov 2014 #8
Hell yes! What has Bernie done? New Deal Dave Nov 2014 #27
as one of only two members of congress that are independants... Javaman Nov 2014 #35
How about the VA bill. aggiesal Nov 2014 #44
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #58
I wish we had more "political gadflies", then. djean111 Nov 2014 #9
Gadfly or not it's certainly better than being a republican. Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #11
so ... and ... what are you? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #12
Sanders’s bills have had a total of 350 cosponsors in the 113th Congress RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #13
Really turbinetree Nov 2014 #15
CK John will not respond to his comment and then claims Senator Sanders does nothing. Telling. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #16
Utterly untrue, but why let facts get in your way? merrily Nov 2014 #19
But you excoriate Obama when he didn't use the "bully pulpit". Ikonoklast Nov 2014 #28
Sometimes its what he doesn't do, like vote for war. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #43
He is a senator. His constituents like him and re-elect him. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #49
There's good reason he is an independent. The rich people in our gov are not on his side. L0oniX Nov 2014 #59
Rec Old Nick Nov 2014 #6
K&R myrna minx Nov 2014 #7
Why isn't every Democratic politician saying the same thing? JEB Nov 2014 #10
Yes! That's the $64,000 question! RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #20
+1000 and wtf noiretextatique Nov 2014 #23
More of them would have been elected JEB Nov 2014 #26
i agree...this republicon-lite shit is not working noiretextatique Nov 2014 #29
Great post! JDPriestly Nov 2014 #50
Because they are all neoliberal Third Way New Democrat corporatist shills Fred Friendlier Nov 2014 #31
Sickening isn't it. JEB Nov 2014 #32
Because they're corporate tools, and this works for them. polichick Nov 2014 #37
Certainly does not work us, the citizens. JEB Nov 2014 #40
The lapdog never bites the hand that feeds it. hifiguy Nov 2014 #51
This is why... 99Forever Nov 2014 #17
I would love to see that. geardaddy Nov 2014 #18
We will make it so. 99Forever Nov 2014 #24
Thank you! geardaddy Nov 2014 #25
Gut Punch? jalan48 Nov 2014 #21
see post #13 noiretextatique Nov 2014 #33
You're right jalan48 Nov 2014 #39
That's what they said in 2008 ... aggiesal Nov 2014 #47
Let's think about 2016. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #52
So if that's will happen .... kacekwl Nov 2014 #63
I agree with you on that jalan48 Nov 2014 #65
And Republicans will try to de-regulate everything tclambert Nov 2014 #22
And privatize things goverment can do better, especially things that border on monopolies. Maineman Nov 2014 #45
I have no idea whether or not Bernie is electable. But, he's going to get my full support as long ladjf Nov 2014 #30
Good idea although I think Elizabeth Warren might be even better. Maineman Nov 2014 #46
I like them both. Bernie would be good for term one. ladjf Nov 2014 #48
Bernie never gives up. People need to listen to him!! B Calm Nov 2014 #36
Reply #3 suggests Bernie Sanders does nothing. democrank Nov 2014 #38
+1000 geardaddy Nov 2014 #41
He has a knack of making it easy to understand. C Moon Nov 2014 #42
Socialist! Socialist! Socialist! Martin Eden Nov 2014 #60
Every time they'll scream Socialist! point the listeners to Scandinavia... Amonester Nov 2014 #66
Scandinavians are a bunch of gangstas Martin Eden Nov 2014 #67
Lillyhammer. geardaddy Nov 2014 #68
minimum wage tuhaybey Nov 2014 #53
And thats not all INdemo Nov 2014 #54
Elections have consequences and were going to see them... Historic NY Nov 2014 #55
K&R ReRe Nov 2014 #57
Go Bernie. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #61
While Bernie is right as he so often is, I am not sure this is a "gut punch to the GOP agenda."i stevenleser Nov 2014 #62
He can't treestar Nov 2014 #64

bpj62

(999 posts)
2. Spot On
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:09 PM
Nov 2014

HBO was free last night because of the concert on the mall and I watched Real Time and Sanders was spot on. the republican pollster who was sitting next to him never once challenged his statements. My wife asked me how come Bernie is an Independent and I told her it is because he couldn't say these things as a democrat because he would lose out on various chairmanships. We need more people to speak out like Sanders. Sadly I don't see the current crop of democrats having the backbone to do that. Allan Grayson is the exception. We can't play nice with the republicans because the are the embodiment of give them and inch and they will take a mile syndrome.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
69. A third party
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:55 PM
Nov 2014

In another thread the idea was (once again) floated around about starting a REAL progressive party that focuses on issues for the 99%. Some are coming over to the idea that it would take stomaching a number of cycles of Republican rule to ever even hope of gaining power as the votes would be split amongst the left sane. But maybe the long game is our only hope right now.

And who better than the trifecta of Sanders, Grayson, and Warren to start it? I'd love to see Hillary and the DLC get nervous. I'd love to see those three run as the New Progressive Party even in 2016 just to force Hillary to have to defend the corporatization of her own party. I still think she'd win, but just to let them know we are here.

Best case scenerio: The Democrats see the writing on Wall Street and begin to shift their political strategy, allowing the liberal wing to have more influence, making a third party redundant, but I wouldn't hold my breath. First things first....getting money out of Washington so that reps don't have to spend most of their time fund-raising and making promises to large donors in back room deals. Publicly funded, with donated airtime for ads from the "public airwaves", very limited third party ad spending and transparent records of those donors. If any Democratic leader had the "balls" to push this, I'd be back on board in a heartbeat.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
34. Frankly, I'm not sure what you are talking about...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

your sentence didn't make much sense.

could you be more clear?

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
56. Oh, I just jumped in and gave my interpretation of what the poster wanted from Bernie
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 07:19 PM
Nov 2014

which is to push and pass corporate garbage aka "getting stuff done".

Sorry for the confusion, my friend.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
35. as one of only two members of congress that are independants...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:58 PM
Nov 2014

He can't get much done on his own.

However, he can speak his mind and he does that often, but I guess that's not good enough for you.

also, I refer to you to post #13 in this thread, if you honestly believe Sanders has done nothing.

you're new here, so I'll cut you some slack for now. For now.

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
44. How about the VA bill.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:43 PM
Nov 2014

This was just 4 months ago

This is where the deal was reached
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/07/27/bernie-sanders-vets-deal-reached-reform-va.html

This is Obama signing the bill into law.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-obama-to-sign-va-bill

Here's more
Sponsored / Cosponsored Bills
Sep 18, 2014 Bill Sponsored and Introduced S. 2899 (113th): Responsible Estate Tax Act
Sep 18, 2014 Bill Cosponsored S. 2911 (113th): Super Pollutants Act of 2014
Sep 18, 2014 Bill Cosponsored S.Res. 569 (113th): A resolution designating
September 23, 2014, as "National Falls Prevention Awareness Day" to raise
awareness and encourage the prevention of falls among older adults.
Sep 18, 2014 Bill Cosponsored S.Res. 573 (113th): A resolution commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Wilderness Act.
Sep 18, 2014 Bill Cosponsored S. 2714 (113th): World War I American Veterans Centennial Commemorative Coin Act
Sep 18, 2014 Bill Cosponsored S. 2900 (113th): Livable Communities Act of 2014
Sep 18, 2014 Bill Sponsored and Introduced S. 2905 (113th): Carbon Pollution Transparency Act of 2014
Sep 18, 2014 Bill Sponsored and Introduced S. 2901 (113th): 10 Million Solar Roofs Act of 2014
Sep 17, 2014 Bill Sponsored and Introduced S. 2849 (113th): Developing Innovative Partnerships and Learning
Opportunities that Motivate Achievement Act
Sep 17, 2014 Bill Cosponsored S. 2844 (113th): James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Reauthorization Act


Is this enough. That's just for this congressional period.

Response to aggiesal (Reply #44)

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
9. I wish we had more "political gadflies", then.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:43 PM
Nov 2014

Bernie is not afraid to speak his mind. He also votes on bills, introduces bills, co-sponsors bills, etc. He does his job, and then some.

Sounds like you think Bernie should just shut up and stop pointing out problems with the GOP and the Dems.
Here is what Bernie is actually DOING:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

example:
From Jan 2007 to Sep 2014, Sanders missed 42 of 2,400 roll call votes, which is 1.8%. This is better than the median of 2.0% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving.

I guess he could do more, but he is still waiting for his hard-to-get Senatorial Executive Order kit.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
13. Sanders’s bills have had a total of 350 cosponsors in the 113th Congress
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:04 PM
Nov 2014

I don't know what you've been smoking, but maybe you should put it down.

Here are five of Sen. Sanders most recent bills:

S. 2905: Carbon Pollution Transparency Act of 2014
S. 2899: Responsible Estate Tax Act
S. 2901: 10 Million Solar Roofs Act of 2014
S. 2849: Developing Innovative Partnerships and Learning Opportunities that Motivate Achievement Act
S. 2832: Employ Young Americans Now Act

Not bad for an Independent, eh?

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
15. Really
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:13 PM
Nov 2014

Let me ask you are a veteran.
What do you think he should talk about the: weather, fishing, how about drag racing

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
16. CK John will not respond to his comment and then claims Senator Sanders does nothing. Telling.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:19 PM
Nov 2014

I'll delete this if he responds.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
28. But you excoriate Obama when he didn't use the "bully pulpit".
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

Bernie does it, and he's labeled a 'gadfly'.

Was Kucinich a gadfly? He did little but talk big during his time in the House, his legislative record has thin, to be generous.


Can't have it both ways, please choose one and stick to it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
49. He is a senator. His constituents like him and re-elect him.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:49 PM
Nov 2014

He does more than most, maybe even all, senators.

What do you want him to do that he isn't doing?

Senators cannot act on their own. They have to do things with other senators. Bernie is in the forefront of proposing good laws and good ideas for our country. That's what he does.

He was the mayor of a city in Vermont before entering the Senate. He has "done" things.

He has done far more than Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz have dreamed of doing. He is very experienced and sticks up for the middle class.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
59. There's good reason he is an independent. The rich people in our gov are not on his side.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:16 PM
Nov 2014

Roaches tend to run from the light.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
10. Why isn't every Democratic politician saying the same thing?
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 01:46 PM
Nov 2014

Now is the time to stand up to these Pukes. They will not play nice.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
20. Yes! That's the $64,000 question!
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:22 PM
Nov 2014

Why is it that only a handful of politicians speak up for core Democratic values and that the best defender of those values isn't even a Democrat?

As Democrats, we should be angry and embarrassed by the fact that Bernie is one of the few who dares to speak the truth but at the same time we should be very grateful that he does.

Thank you for your service, Senator Sanders!!

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
26. More of them would have been elected
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:51 PM
Nov 2014

if they had even half the courage of their convictions that Bernie shows.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
29. i agree...this republicon-lite shit is not working
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:00 PM
Nov 2014

sadly, too many of our democratic leaders are not traditional democrats, like harry truman, or hubert humphrey. why don't democrats talk like truman...or sanders...or i am so very frustrated with the democratic leadership.

On 13 October 1948, President Harry Truman made an appearance in St. Paul, Minnesota, stumping on behalf of both his own re-election campaign and a bid by the mayor of Minneapolis, fellow Democrat Hubert Humphrey, to land a seat in the U.S. Senate. During that appearance in St. Paul, President Truman delivered an address at the city's Municipal Auditorium which was carried on a nationwide radio broadcast.

Today the forces of liberalism face a crisis. The people of the United States must make a choice between two ways of living — a decision which will affect us the rest of our lives and our children and our grandchildren after us.

On the other side, there is the Wall Street way of life and politics. Trust the leader! Let big business take care of prices and profits! Measure all things by money! That is the philosophy of the masters of the Republican Party.

Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues.

Since they won't tell you themselves, I am going to tell you.

They approve of the American farmer — but they are willing to help him go broke.

They stand four-square for the American home — but not for
housing.

They are strong for labor — but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights.

They favor a minimum wage — the smaller the minimum the better.

They indorse educational opportunity for all — but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools.

They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine — for people who can afford them.

They approve of Social Security benefits — so much so that they took them away from almost a million people.

They believe in international trade — so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement.

They favor the admission of displaced persons — but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.

They consider electric power a great blessing — but only when the private power companies get their rake-off.

They say TVA is wonderful — but we ought never to try it again.

They condemn "cruelly high prices" — but fight to the death every effort to bring them down.

They think the American standard of living is a fine thing — so long as it doesn't spread to all the people.

And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.

Now, my friends, that is the Wall Street Republican way of life. But there is another way — there is another way — the Democratic way, the way of the Democratic Party.

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/trumangop.asp#mEf8pmtQMG2g8UeB.99

 

Fred Friendlier

(81 posts)
31. Because they are all neoliberal Third Way New Democrat corporatist shills
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:19 PM
Nov 2014

It's pretty much a job requirement to rise up the party ranks. Play ball, collect your reward.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
40. Certainly does not work us, the citizens.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:07 PM
Nov 2014

They need nascar style jackets with their sponsors emblems stitched on.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
24. We will make it so.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:48 PM
Nov 2014

It starts with flushing the lie that says it can't happen. Call it out.every time you hear r.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
21. Gut Punch?
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:28 PM
Nov 2014

I wish. Unfortunately Bernie gets very little real attention from anyone other than folks like us. In many ways I think he's there as a relief valve to keep progressives from blowing their tops.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
39. You're right
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:04 PM
Nov 2014

I love Bernie but unfortunately he's relegated to side show politics. Clinton trumpeted the solar roof initiative as well in the mid-nineties-a Million Solar Roofs he said. Are we there yet? Sounded good though as he pushed through NAFTA. I would support Sanders if he ran for President but then, would he just be another Nader, putting a Republican in the White House? We can all get behind Bernie or Warren but in the end we will be told Clinton is the candidate by the party establishment. Then we will hold our noses and vote for her hoping there will be some positive change, just to wind up where we are today, disillusioned with our obvious one party system.

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
47. That's what they said in 2008 ...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:21 PM
Nov 2014

that Hillary would be our next president.
But then this upstart 1 term junior senator from Illinois somehow beat the party establishment.

He'll have to declare as a Democratic candidate first.
Then if Sanders makes a good showing in Iowa, the second is neighbor in the NE New Hampshire.
Win both of those, and the snowball start rolling.

He has to have a really good organization in Iowa that will caucus for him and beat Hillary.
Something she did poorly in 2008, coming in 3rd behind Obama and Edwards.
I'll never forget that headline,
"Obama wins Iowa, Hillary 3rd" never mentioning Edwards.

My point is, it is possible, if he wins early on, then you'll see some of the candidates drop off.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for her, but I'll be holding my nose really hard, doing it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
52. Let's think about 2016.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 06:05 PM
Nov 2014

Employment numbers are up, but as Robert Reich points out, wages are not.

And there is little reason to think that wages will go up now that we have a Republican majority in Congress.

Even though wages will probably not go up, prices will. They always do.

The economic squeeze on the middle class will be worse in 2016 than it is now.

Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson are about the only politicians who have consistently spoken to that issue. And trust me, that will be the issue in 2016.

The economy stupid (not referring to you, referring to Bill Clinton's campaign slogan) is going to be the big issue.

Neither the mainstream Democrats nor the Republicans will speak to the issue. Bernie, Elizabeth or Alan Grayson will be the spokespeople for the middle class.

I understand what you are saying. Generally, well known candidates, the well funded party favorites win the nomination and the election. But then, there are times in history when voters upset the apple cart and nominate and elect the man of the moment. I think there is a good chance that Bernie Sanders, like Abraham Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt before him (not saying Bernie is like Lincoln necessarily) wins because the established political parties are too set in their ways to respond to an issue that overrides the conventional wisdom about politics.

Bernie is the longest serving independent senator in American history.

He is likeable, can't be corrupted, honest and truly "independent." We need him.

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
63. So if that's will happen ....
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:52 PM
Nov 2014

why not vote for Bernie . Clinton will be more of what we have now . If we keep voting for the same type what will change ?

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
22. And Republicans will try to de-regulate everything
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 02:30 PM
Nov 2014

Destroy the EPA, maybe by cutting its funding. Destroy the Department of Education. Destroy the Department of Health and Human Services. Destroy OSHA. Destroy the SEC. Let corporations regulate themselves. Trust them to put society's desire for health, safety, clean air and water above profits. Trust Bank CEOs to put the financial security of the nation above a risky play to make a buck. Surely they won't need rescuing a fourth time. (The Great Depression, S&L crisis of the 80s and 90s, and Great Recession were the first three I'm counting.) Since oil spills cost so much to clean up, you can count on oil companies to take every precaution to make their tankers, pipelines, and oil rigs perfectly safe . . . just like they always have.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
30. I have no idea whether or not Bernie is electable. But, he's going to get my full support as long
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 03:16 PM
Nov 2014

as he is on the ballot. nt

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
48. I like them both. Bernie would be good for term one.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 05:46 PM
Nov 2014

Then Warren could stay in as Prez during the next two terms. What a combo!

democrank

(11,092 posts)
38. Reply #3 suggests Bernie Sanders does nothing.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:00 PM
Nov 2014

One of the most laughable responses I`ve ever read on DU.

With a little research, anyone could find out that Bernie Sanders has been standing up for workers for decades, not to mention his constant fight on behalf of all veterans.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
42. He has a knack of making it easy to understand.
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 04:11 PM
Nov 2014

I am sure the GOP is not going to pull any punches next year. They're going to go all out with what they want. It's going to be ugly, I fear, with not a care about the lower classes.

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
60. Socialist! Socialist! Socialist!
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:18 PM
Nov 2014

If Bernie is the Democratic nominee the Rethuglicans will shout Socialist! at the top of their lungs over and over and over again.

Does anyone doubt that?

If "socialist" becomes less of a pejorative than "liberal" by the time the next presidential election starts heating up, then I will begin to feel optimistic about the future of our country.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
66. Every time they'll scream Socialist! point the listeners to Scandinavia...
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 01:21 AM
Nov 2014

where they have a month/year PAID vacations... by law...

Of course, not ONE media will ever publish anyone's pointed finger.

tuhaybey

(76 posts)
53. minimum wage
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 06:09 PM
Nov 2014

The main argument from the right against raising the minimum wage is that employers can't afford it and hence raising it will cost a lot of people their jobs. But, that is completely false. Look at how much employers keep for profits for every hour an employee works on average. That tells us that the average employer could not just afford to raise wages by a few bucks for the tiny number of employees that work for minimum wage, but they could nearly double EVERYBODY's wages before they actually started needing to lay people off.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
54. And thats not all
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 06:11 PM
Nov 2014

There is no doubt in my mind that Republicans have in mind to have a Right To Work Law nationwide

That is part of the Koch agenda

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
55. Elections have consequences and were going to see them...
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 06:20 PM
Nov 2014

those that thought staying home was the answer will find that out.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
62. While Bernie is right as he so often is, I am not sure this is a "gut punch to the GOP agenda."i
Wed Nov 12, 2014, 09:28 PM
Nov 2014

I like a lot of Jason's pieces, but to me a "gut punch to the GOP agenda" is something so significant that stands an excellent chance of stopping something in its tracks, just like if someone hit a person with a 'gut punch'. You aren't going to be doing anything productive for the next few minutes.

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