Socialized Health Care

[SHRED]

I've met more than one right wing military retiree who defends their government run health care by claiming that they earned it by putting their life on the line.

What's odd is the disconnect. That the citizens are somehow not worthy of the care that they receive yet at the same time they rail against "government take over of health care".

Anyone else have family or friends like this? It's koo koo to me.

[Bettie]

1. I have many relatives like this

unfortunately.

My two brothers are right wingers, one of the Hannity/Limbaugh type, the other the religious nutjob type.

Four of the six kids in husband's family are right wing nutjobs too.

He and one brother are different, though his 85 year old dad has become a liberal in the past decade...he says he never moved politically, but the spectrum changed so that he's not willing to be called a Republican any more.

[SHRED]

6. I'm sure, like my family and friends,...

... that your's also vote against their own interests.

[Bettie]

17. Yep. Every time.

They all seem to believe what Saint Ronnie said about trickling down.

Apparently, if you pee on their leg, they do believe it is raining.

[Ron Green]

2. Combine worship of the military with hatred of poor people

and you have conditions just right for what you've observed.

[SHRED]

5. The irony of course is...

... that they themselves are not wealthy at all.

[Half-Century Man]

3. Retirees (20+ years in service) have earned it, and also agreed to defend what is made into law.

If we the people vote it in, they should have no problem.

The ones I always thought were kinda strange were the people (here and IRL) who call for single payer instead of totally socialized health care. The most common argument against is not wanting a governmental bureaucracy in health care.
Like a business bureaucracy is somehow better?

We should get a big bag of money and put a group of governmental workers (a bureaucracy) in charge of that to dole it out piecemeal to thousands of business bureaucracies; who are more focused on gobbling the money being handed out than the quality of the health care provided?
Logically, there seems to be some areas ripe for problems.

[SHRED]

4. I'm not insinuating that they haven't earned it however...

I worked 29 years in the public sector and have no retirement health benefit. Apparently my hard work serving the public infrastructure is not worthy according to rightwing military folks.

I'm not worthy of something they receive yet howl about how bad it would be for others. They are blind.

[Half-Century Man]

10. I did not intend a dig at you.

I think the entirety of us deserve that level of health care, at the barest minimum.

The point I was so tactlessly stumbling toward was, career types understand that they vowed to uphold and support the civilian government including law they themselves might not agree with.

Veterans (and everybody else) do get to grouse about them (personally disliked laws) though.

[SHRED]

14. I hear ya

I didn't mean to sound snarky at you if I did. It's the situation that flusters me.

[LeftinOH]

7. The term "Socialized Health Care" doesn't exist anywhere

else in the world (in those places that have universal health care). It's Right Wing terminology.

An if right-wingers are going to use that term, they need to admit that "socialized health care" is precisely what active and retired military are getting.

And yes - if they insist that serving/having served in the military earns one the right to "socialized health care" over non-military citizens.. they should be able to admit that very thing.

Kind of reminds me of ancient Rome, where citizenship and other rights were granted to the military before anyone else.

[SHRED]

8. Yep

[Half-Century Man]

11. A rose by any other name........

[Orsino]

9. The human mind is a powerful rationalizer.

Even the irrational ones.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. Military healthcare (TriCare) is supported by Tax Dollars. If we are not healthy enough to

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work and make enough money to support our Military then the House Of Cards will cave in on itself.

We all need to support each other.

We all need the same HealthCare.

How hard is this to understand?

[SHRED]

15. good thanks

[alarimer]

13. Health care should be a human right, not "earned" as a part of your job, whatever that may be.

It's cheaper, for one thing. It will certainly cost each of us less than the current system does, because everyone is in the same risk pool.

It's simply bonkers to think of health care as something you earn. I know that employer-provided health insurance started during WWII because they were not allowed to raise wages. But it's a path that kept us from instituting a National Health Service.

But I think some veterans (and others) say that because they like to feel superior.

[B Calm]

16. I have right-wing relatives who sucked off the government their entire life. They sit

on their hemorrhoid ass and point their brown stained finger at everybody else.

They are all cuckoo birds!

[lumberjack_jeff]

18. Yes. "I earned my Government health care" vs "Government will ruin healthcare". n/t