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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 03:53 AM Nov 2014

It's not about "moving the party to the Left"-it's about getting the party to fight for the MAJORITY

Last edited Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:54 AM - Edit history (2)

Some act as if the goal of liberals, progressives, or radicals is just to "move the party to the left", to change the party's place on the political spectrum for the sake of changing it. This implies that there couldn't possibly be legitimate reasons in the reality of life to change what the party stands for, that the goal of re-orienting the party is ideology for ideology's sake.

That simply isn't true.

The truth is that there is a massive majority of people out there who have been totally left out in the cold by the changes in this country since 1981...and there is no party, at the moment, that even tries to speak for those people:

...the victims of downsizing, wagecuts, benefits cuts and work reduction...the people who have to work seventy hours a week to get the buying power they got from the wages they earned working forty hours a week prior to 1980...

...the victims of outsourcing who gave their lives to the companies they worked for and were then just cast aside and left to die when those companies moved the jobs they had done all their lives to other countries...with no word of protest from OUR party's leaders at all.

...the victims of regional economic cleansing(such as the people of the Rust Belt, the inner cities, and large areas of Appalachia an the rural South)left with nothing because those with all the economic power decided that their entire regions needed to be left to die in the name of "effeciency" and greater corporate profits.

...the victims of drawbridging, who had opportunities taken away from them through all of the above plus massive increases in college tuition and massive cuts in scholarships.

What we've been saying is that our party, the supposed "party of the people", needs to damn well actually fight FOR the people, needs to represent and take up the banners of those innocent victims of the last thirty-three years of ruling-class vengeance for the New Deal, the Fair Deal and the Great Society.

We need to deal in reality:

the reality that it is morally wrong and nationally poisonous to simply say nothing while large numbers of people are cast aside, declared valueless and unworthy, and left to rot amid hoarded plenty.

It's not about where we are on the spectrum. It's about who we are supposed to fight for and why we are supposed to be here.

One party of the rich is enough.

One party of the cruel, the judgmental and the miserly is enough.

One party of the people who look down on their fellow humans is enough.

One party of big donors and luxury boxes at the convention hall is enouch.

America needs a SECOND party...a democratic party, if you will.

Is that really too much to ask?

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It's not about "moving the party to the Left"-it's about getting the party to fight for the MAJORITY (Original Post) Ken Burch Nov 2014 OP
I totally love the tone of this OP 99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #1
feel free to share it where you will. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #3
Sometimes, it's really easy to get distracted by details mindwalker_i Nov 2014 #16
Good OP, Ken Burch.. Mahalo Cha Nov 2014 #2
Well I think Social Security, as a matter of conscience, needs to be beefed up, silvershadow Nov 2014 #4
I hadn't intentionally excluded Social Security. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #6
Thank you. I hadn't intended to kind of butt-in to your thought process, it just happens silvershadow Nov 2014 #7
You had every right to post what you posted and it's important that you did. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #8
K&R ReRe Nov 2014 #5
Truly represent the interests of the vast majority ... Martin Eden Nov 2014 #9
Yeah, but if the Democratic Party were to actually "damn well actually fight FOR the people" then .. Scuba Nov 2014 #10
And to do that - to do *ANYTHING* - we have to win elections. baldguy Nov 2014 #11
You have it backwards LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #13
That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. baldguy Nov 2014 #14
Yes, and supporting the ideas in the OP is the way to get someone sitting in an elective office LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #15
Fine. Didn't say we didn't need to win elections. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #18
The Dems need "one voice" on these issues...... a kennedy Nov 2014 #12
Kick rec Teamster Jeff Nov 2014 #17
Excellent OP Ken! nt adirondacker Nov 2014 #19
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. I totally love the tone of this OP
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 04:40 AM
Nov 2014

This is seriously brilliant with straight-forward good will,
I hope this goes viral somehow, if it does it will
change many hearts in a really good way.

Thank you for this convincing & thoughtful reflection on how to really
communicate with our already pathetically dumbed-down electorate,
(see the 2014 "drubbing&quot .

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
16. Sometimes, it's really easy to get distracted by details
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 11:34 AM
Nov 2014

and miss totally obvious points. So I agree, this is an excellent OP!

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
4. Well I think Social Security, as a matter of conscience, needs to be beefed up,
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:57 AM
Nov 2014

expanded, and with greater benefits. So, I agree with your assessment, yet it's not even enough at this point. The only way to stop the taking is to oppose it with expansion plans. That's only part of why I am pushing for a move to the left.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
6. I hadn't intentionally excluded Social Security.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:01 AM
Nov 2014

My OP was broad-strokes thinking, not specific policy planks.

I agree with you, of course.

We need to defend SSN and to defend the general idea that it's valid to use government(and to democratize the way government works) in the service of improving the quality, dignity and meaning of our lives.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
7. Thank you. I hadn't intended to kind of butt-in to your thought process, it just happens
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:14 AM
Nov 2014

to be on my mind. I am absolutely dependent on SS and Medicare, as I am catastrophically disabled. And I am scared to death of them at this point. (Oh, and I'm not eligible for Obamacare).

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
8. You had every right to post what you posted and it's important that you did.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 06:21 AM
Nov 2014

You are fighting for your life, and our rulers pretty much want you to lose that fight.

Please don't give up hope...you are of value and you deserve to live if you wish to live.

Every day you keep going is an act of defiance and resistance. Thank you for your courage amidst all the misery you face.

Martin Eden

(12,864 posts)
9. Truly represent the interests of the vast majority ...
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 08:07 AM
Nov 2014

... consistently through actions, and the majority will come to realize it and vote their interests.

The corporate media will characterize that as the far LEFT, but it truly is the CENTER.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. Yeah, but if the Democratic Party were to actually "damn well actually fight FOR the people" then ..
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 08:36 AM
Nov 2014

... a good portion of those who don't usually bother to vote would show up at the polls. Then Democrats would win and would be expected to implement the policies on which they campaigned. Their corporate owners can't have that.

That's why the President names a guy like Tom Wheeler to head the FCC before he says populist things like showing support for net neutrality. It's important cover. Gotta pretent they have the people's backs while making sure the corporatists get everything they want.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
11. And to do that - to do *ANYTHING* - we have to win elections.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 08:47 AM
Nov 2014

Some believe it's enough to only shout insults from the sidelines at the people trying to do the real work, lest they dirty themselves with being confronted by real people.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
13. You have it backwards
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:59 AM
Nov 2014

It's not, we have to win elections to do that...

It's if we do that, we win elections.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
14. That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 10:07 AM
Nov 2014

Virtue is all well & good. But if you don't have someone sitting in an elective office pushing progressive legislation through and getting political support for it in the halls of power you'll get nowhere.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
15. Yes, and supporting the ideas in the OP is the way to get someone sitting in an elective office
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 10:12 AM
Nov 2014

The alternative, as we've seen, is to stand for nothing other than Me Tooism (Coal? Me too! Guns? me too! Keystone? Me too!) and continue to lose elections.

You can't get elected running on Me Tooism and then push progressive legislation; you get elected by pushing progressive legislation -- also know as Actually Standing Up For Democratic Principles-- in the first place.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
18. Fine. Didn't say we didn't need to win elections.
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 05:55 PM
Nov 2014

But there's no conflict between trying to win elections and being the kind of party I called for in the OP.

a kennedy

(29,655 posts)
12. The Dems need "one voice" on these issues......
Thu Nov 13, 2014, 09:03 AM
Nov 2014

one, clear, simple, voice and drill it into the masses over, and over, and over, and over. i.e. repubs, faux noise, cnn, and some talking heads on msnbc.

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