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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnonymous has hijacked KKK's main Twitter acct.
On @KuKluxKlanUSA:
Edit:
RawStory now has a link with more details: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/anonymous-responds-to-kkks-twitter-taunts-by-hacking-taking-over-their-account/
shenmue
(38,506 posts)2naSalit
(86,308 posts)Now all we need are the goats! But I'd settle for something using the guy on a buffaloooooo!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)irisblue
(32,917 posts)they got twitter?
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)"I ain't afraid of no ghost."
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)johnnyreb
(915 posts)Always without honor or power.
https://in.news.yahoo.com/anonymous-seizes-klu-klux-klan-235005195.html
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Anyone want to guess what the password was?
mercuryblues
(14,521 posts)spelled backwards.
Triana
(22,666 posts)those threatening Ferguson protesters. (pastebin)
this is the funniest tweet:
#GHC_sec @Global_hackers · 1d1 day ago
#KKK can say that they dont care losing @KuKluxKlanUSA @YourKKKcentral but they cant say it on Twitzler #Anonymous
Denzil_DC
(7,216 posts)See here:
Commander X @CommanderXanon
Sage, that account was created by Anonymous as a troll/parody account a few days ago. Just saying. | @SageHack @AnonLegion_Arg
It's pretty confusing out there!
Triana
(22,666 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,216 posts)The @KuKluxKlanUSA account's apparently been around a while - 1,144 tweets and a couple of thousand followers, as opposed to @YourKKKcentral's 65 tweets and 194 followers. But there's lots of shenanigans afoot, so I'm learning to be cautious about Twitter (all over again).
mercuryblues
(14,521 posts)have also unhooded a few cops.
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Anonymous_Exposes_Cop_as_Member_of_KKK_Behind_Letter_Threatening_to_Kill_Ferguson_Protesters/39229/0/38/38/Y/M.html
Was the threat written by one of them? Will there be more?
Triana
(22,666 posts)LeftInTX
(25,103 posts)(They're considered organized crime)
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)This is awesome!
Response to Triana (Original post)
Denzil_DC This message was self-deleted by its author.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Fantastic.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)Poor babies.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Cha
(296,780 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Voltaire's famous comment (paraphrased) "I may disagree with what you want to say, but I will defend your right to say it".
I dislike the KKK. I oppose what they stand for. On the other hand I OPPOSE ANY ATTEMPT TO SUPPRESS THEM, for the simple reason, any law OR actions that suppresses the KKK, can be used AGAINST groups I do support. I will NOT forward their statements, but if you believe in Net Neutrality, the KKK has as much right on the Net as anyone else. Thus I fight for the RIGHT of the KKK to be on the NET for by fighting for them I am fighting for EVERYONE, even people on the left, to have the RIGHT to be on the net.
Yes Anonymous is NOT the GOvernment (or is it?). Before you answer that question thing about it. For example if I wanted to set up a system of censorship, I would first go after groups that most people oppose, such as the KKK. Once such suppression is approved by the people, then expand it to cover the cites I do want to suppress, such DU. Worse, keep it as a group of supposedly non-government people, I can avoid the whole issue of Censorship, just blame Anonymous. If any connection between myself and Anonymous comes out, just point out it started with the KKK and that Censorship had massive support, so why the objections about the left being treated the same?
Anonymous, is at its best revealing secret, NOT getting the hold of web sites and removing them from the net. Anonymous is best EXPANDING the Freedom of Speech by making more information available, NOT by suppressing web sites of messages it dislikes.
7962
(11,841 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)If anon was a bunch of say right wingers, they might be hacking Greenpeace.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I can be OK with taking over a Twitter feed, but releasing personal information is a big problem. If someone is a government official, and breaking the law, that's one thing. But just because someone has a loathsome opinion, does NOT make it OK to post their photo and name and number and address.
I have no idea if these people are who Anonymous claims they are. And as someone who has had his personal info released by Anonymous, I cannot agree with every activity of theirs, and I can't call them heroes.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...this was kicked off by the KKK threatening violence against others if they attempted to exercise their free speech rights. Freedom of speech doesn't cover statements threatening physical violence so invoking the "defend to your death the right to say it" principle fails in this particular case.
(That said, I am not in general a fan of Anonymous... yes occasionally some of them do something awesome, but that doesn't outweigh the inherent problems with the existence of the group.)
Denzil_DC
(7,216 posts)You just saved me quite a bit of typing ...
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Now this is what is said that the KKK said:
Last week, Frank Acona of the Traditionalist American Knights of the KKK defended handing out fliers in St. Louis calling Ferguson protestors terrorists, and threatening, We will use lethal force as provided under Missouri law to defend ourselves.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/anonymous-responds-to-kkks-twitter-taunts-by-hacking-taking-over-their-account/
First, by silencing this web site, you PREVENT people seeing that the people handing out the KKK pamphlets are threatening violence. The KKK was careful, they only mention "lethal force..to defend ourselves" but that is enough for people to watch out for them AND to press charges if the KKK actually does an illegal act.
By taking over the website, you end up with NO INFORMATION of they plans. Thus people are blind and as such more likely to fall into some sort of "Trap" set by the KKK (i.e go to an area where people will protest the presence of the KKK and wait for the protests against the KKK to appear to get out of hand, then open fire in "Self Defense" .
Once people know what the game is, people know how to avoid such "traps" i.e. look at the KKK members and ignore them and tell their neighbors to avoid the KKK Members for KKK is setting up a provocation.
Sorry I rather had the KKK state what they plans are, so I can work against them, rather then having to guess what the KKK is planning.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I bet they have all kinds of information on the KKK and probably some information the KKK wanted to keep secret. You know that probably has the Klan shitting their pants as they get exposed for the cockroaches they truly are.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)But then to prevent them from saying what they want to say on their own web page is censorship. They have to right to speak in support of racism. They have no right to make threats but the only threat was one of "Self Defense" which I pointed out can be an excuse to kill someone.
The problem is that willingness to do "Self Defense" is NOT a terroristic threat, it can be construed as a legal defence. Thus no threat was made at this time. That the KKK has committed crimes in the past are ground to watch them, but NOT grounds to silence them. That is an important difference.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)to couch intentions to MURDER, ( also called LYNCHING) , MAIM & RAPE people who look like me for no other reason than I have brown skin and VERY curly/kinky hair. Given this TERROR GROUP'S H-I-S-T-O-R-Y, their "SELF DEFENCE" IS a threat made for the ears of those who take part in things like this and those who have been hurt time after time. It's NOT DEFENCE, it's a threat to MURDER and cause general MAYHEM, to keep the Darkies and N!ggers in place. Don't get it twisted.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)But it was posted on their own website and people can thus learn how they are thinking and act accordingly. i.e. make sure any opposition activities do NOT involve throwing things so it is clear any shooting is NOT self defense. There are ways to do such counter protests which include, locking hands and causing a barrier. Thus any first use of force must be done by the side wanting to break the barrier. Standing with signs blocking the streets so that any actions against the counter protest has to be a positive act of the KKK. There are ways to handle such protests if you are careful. Blocking their web site is NOT one of them.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Not much to mine there.
With that said, they didn't delete previous tweets.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and exposing a hate group.
As far as I can tell, Anonymous "silenced" nobody.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)We miss you when you're away
Hekate
(90,538 posts)....Jews, African Americans, Roman Catholics, LGBT folks, and everybody else who's not a knuckle dragger like themselves.
The KKK is not some poor misunderstood club. They have a long and vicious history in this country. Voltaire was not talking about criminal behavior like this, but about free speech. There is a real difference.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I stand corrected.
Hekate
(90,538 posts)....or DU is currently being severely trolled.
And not only on this subject.
JustAnotherGen
(31,780 posts)In the Democratic Party - to me this should be a part of that purity test.
They are murderers, rapists, church bombing terrorists. They are tweeting about taking away people's freedom of speech with threats of violence?
A non violent action was taken by private citizens to say - Hey. Come out come out wherever you are.
Just desserts.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that some would sacrifice MY safety/security/well-being, in order to protect some phantom threat to themselves.
Not shocking in the least.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)You do have to admire ones imagination around here LOL
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Suppression only works if the people support it, and they will only support it if it appears to be going after the "Bad guys". Thus if you want censorship you first use it against people everyone think are evil. The KKK is a good first choice.
Thus this attack on the KKK web site would be something a government supported pro censorship group would attack. It is clearly viewed as "Evil" and thus an attack on it would get massive support. That supports permits expansion of Censorship to other areas and soon DU is closed for we support opposition to what corporate America wants.
Remember the Government has some deep roots, sometimes called the "Deep State" i.e. no matter who is in charge on top, the same people stay in charge on the levers of Government.
For example Corporate America and the CIA have been in bed with each other since WWII. Both hire Ivy league graduates to a high degree, thus they tend to think alike (The FBI tended to hire middle America Collage students, thus tend to be more on the fringe of this Ivy League group but is still a member of it). These Ivy leaguers do tend to think long term and using something like Anonymous to start the agenda of the Ivy League is NOT beyond them.
Now, I have no evidence that Anonymous is anything but an independent group of hackers, all I am pointing out is such an attack would be the first step in a general increase in censorship. Anonymous may even oppose such censorship, but that does NOT mean such an attack is not the first step in increased censorship. I was merely pointing out that such an attack would be the first effort at increased censorship and we have to be careful that such incidents are opposed to prevent increased censorship.
Defending speech we like is easy, defending speed we hate is hard, but if we want to hear what we want we hear, we have to accept people being able to say things we do not want to hear. We do not have to listen, but having the message turned off by someone else to "protect" is NOT freedom of Speech.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)I'll volunteer more in taxes just to help fund their operations!
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Remember, no one on this board is arguing that the KKK is good, it is a bad organization, but even bad groups have the right to speak. If you support suppression of speech you do not like, that is only a short step to supporting suppression of speech you do like. It is easy to support speech that everyone agrees with, it is much harder to support speech in regards to people, subject matter and even topics that we DISAGREE WITH. At the same time it is that area of Speech where Freedom of Speech is fought, for suppression of speech starts there and expands.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I'm embarrassed tat people are crowing about Anonymous shutting down their Twitter. First, because of the obvious reasons you mentioned. Either you believe in freedom of speech or you don't. Granted, I think that our freedom of speech goes a bit to far allowing public speech that is hateful and bigoted. Then again, if it was outlawed it wouldn't stop but just go underground making it that much harder to find.
Second, shutting down their Twitter is petty, useless and childish. So what if their specific Twitter feed stops working for a couple of days? It doesn't stop their way of thinking, doesn't stop their communicating somewhere else, and next to no one would even know about it. How about doing something worthwhile like a march or rally against such hatred and rhetoric? Something that actually has a public effect. Something where you actually have to get off your butt. The Anonymous threatening messages announcing their "power" is cringe worthy and go against everything they say they believe about a free internet where people get to say what they like. They're more control hungry and bent on censorship in their actions than the law is. These "expect us" messages are so ridiculous. Expect what? That you shut down a Twitter cite of someone you don't like? What the hell does that do other than feed their own ego? It doesn't actually accomplish a damn thing that's worthwhile. What the hell is there to crow about? That Anonymous is attempting to censor people they don't like sending their silly little power messages they don't actually have and that doesn't censor them anyway? Like the KKK is going to collapse and die because for a few days they don't have the use of one single Twitter cite? Whoopdie doo. That's like hiding someone's sock and making stupid announcements of being the all powerful sock king when the person has 5000 other pairs of socks readily at their disposal.
Third, shutting down their cite only serves to make it that much more difficult for the feds to monitor them. What, nobody realized that they do? Of course they do. They monitor all hate groups, and thankfully since they're stupid enough to use a public forum to make plans and spew their hatred they're a lot easier to sniff out than they ever were before. They used to have to actually infiltrate small divisions of hate groups for any information, but these days they're even the worst terrorist groups talk openly, in public and world wide thanks to the internet.
Fourth, Anonymous has a long track record of "exposing" the wrong people being too stupid and careless to get it right before announcing their "outing" of someone that has real life consequences for innocent people.
And yes, it' pretty damn ironic for a group that thrives on having hidden members by their very name and wearing Guy Fawkes masks finger pointing at some other group using the same methods of attempting to hide members. Seeing as the KKK has been around since the end of the Civil War where does one suppose that Anonymous got the idea and method of hiding members which they don't do a very good job at any more than the KKK since Anonymous members get caught all the time?
As far as I can see the only thing that Anonymous is accomplishing is making the KKK more relevant again by focusing on them and spreading that focus around. Everyone knows that the more something is talked about and the more it's made public the more relevant it becomes. I sure as hell don't want to see the KKK made more relevant, do you?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)With that said, NO ONE in the private sector is required to allow you to make that speech. Anonymous is not the government.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)Some people just never get sick of their dogma.
But the rest of us do.
7962
(11,841 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,676 posts)Somehow, I don't get the impression that any of them have a higher aptitude than kiddie hacker abilities.
I'm not putting all racists in that category, because lord knows that there are some in the private sector who have way too much access to government systems through all the bogus partnering that goes on.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Although I like your touch of all caps, which I didn't think of.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I salivating at the thought that Anonymous is just getting warmed up for th oligarchs.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]We may soon (or already) need a modernized reincarnation of the brave White Rose Society.
Since they were primarily an educated, anti-propaganda communications group, Anonymous would be most appropriate leading the vanguard and stealth attack units!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I guess Anonymous can keep its activist and stealth attack functions undercover separately.
They do seem to be happy set up and doing things the way they already are.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)According to what I see in movies and on television,
a good hacker can steal millions out of swiss bank accounts
without getting caught, and give it to the poor.
So I hope Anonymous will learn to do this as well. I am
counting on the geeks to save the internet and the world.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)patrolling neighborhoods where people are concerned and reporting to law enforcement in regards to what they are seeing.
Let that sink in. The Klan is reporting to law enforcement. The Klansmen were ordered not to wear Klan insignia. It forces the question: how many of the people thought to be plain clothes officers seen during the Battle of Ferguson were Klan members? This tie casts doubt on the authority of all law enforcement in the area, and further alienates citizens who are not racially motivated.
http://theantimedia.org/anonymous-faces-off-with-klan-in-opkkk/
Obvious white pointy sheets is obvious.
TYY
Hekate
(90,538 posts)Goddamned terrorists. It's what they do.
Next is hauling some poor soul on a chain behind a pickup truck at 40 mph.
JustAnotherGen
(31,780 posts)Case in Point - James Byrd.
I know you know who that is - but those guys were tried and convicted. And they were 'the type'. Just in case anyone wants to try the 'wait until the evidence is entered' bullshit game at DU - tried, convicted, guilty - murdering racists.
Hekate
(90,538 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Oh, right, that would require being able to read, and turn on their own computers.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of assholes.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)But yeah, there is a long history of LEOs being KKK members.
It raises the speculation that Wilson is a member.
glinda
(14,807 posts)marions ghost
(19,841 posts)malaise
(268,667 posts)Hate is bad.
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randome
(34,845 posts)They could be posting something meaningful that might make at least some people think twice.
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