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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:27 AM Nov 2014

Four Sordid Tales of Selfishness of the Super-Rich

http://www.alternet.org/economy/four-sordid-tales-selfishness-super-rich



1. Ebola's Not Worth the Money If Only Africans Get Infected

World Health Organization (WHO) director-general Dr. Margaret Chan recently stated: "Ebola emerged nearly four decades ago. Why are clinicians still empty-handed, with no vaccines and no cure? Because Ebola has historically been confined to poor African nations. The R&D incentive is virtually non-existent. A profit-driven industry does not invest in products for markets that cannot pay."

2. Going To Their Graves Without Paying What They Owe

Charles Koch, who is very much alive, said "I want my fair share - and that's all of it."

His dream is coming true. $30 trillion has been taken since the recession, most of it financial gains, almost all of it by the richest 1%, one-hundred thousand of whom made an estimated $18 million each in three years, and most of whom are so rich that they can let their portfolios sit nearly tax-free until they die, at which point an almost non-existent estate tax ensures nearly tax-free fortunes for their fortunate sons and daughters (only about one out of a thousand estates are taxed).

3. Inventing Rules That Take Money from the Poor

A collection of contrived laws and policies effectively transfer money from the middle class to the rulemakers:

---Capital Gains: Pay less for just owning stocks

---Carried Interest: The astonishing claim that hedge fund profits are not regular income

---Payroll Tax: Multi-millionaires pay a tiny percentage compared to middle-income earners

---Roth IRAs: A tax loophole for the 20% of Americans who own 95 percent of the financial wealth

---Derivatives: Risky financial instruments are the first to be paid off in a bank collapse

---Bankruptcies: Businesses can get out of debt, students can't

4. Treating Less Fortunate People As If They Don't Exist

Compelling research by Paul Piff and his colleagues has demonstrated that the accumulation of wealth leads to a sense of entitlement and qualities of narcissism. For example, rich people are more likely to flout traffic laws, to take items of value from others, and to cheat when necessary to win a prize or position.
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Four Sordid Tales of Selfishness of the Super-Rich (Original Post) xchrom Nov 2014 OP
Believe him or not it's a great analogy " A camel through the eye of a needle " orpupilofnature57 Nov 2014 #1
Greed is not a harmless sin. L0oniX Nov 2014 #12
There's that "sense of entitlement again" - LiberalElite Nov 2014 #2
Have them explainan how, and they get Loud . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2014 #22
It's called Affluenza! n/t aggiesal Nov 2014 #32
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #3
Zuckerberg donates $25 million to fight Ebola Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #4
He has done this on other TBF Nov 2014 #6
Well said fasttense Nov 2014 #30
Thanks - I think others TBF Nov 2014 #31
Baby ...bath water. L0oniX Nov 2014 #13
FFS BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #23
I can't believe they can call TBF Nov 2014 #5
K&R.... daleanime Nov 2014 #7
Anyone can have a Roth IRA, you can start with 500.00 7962 Nov 2014 #8
Actually if your income is too high you are ineligible for a Roth IRA. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #14
I guess that particular point in the OP is completely wrong, then. Thanks! 7962 Nov 2014 #17
Although you can apparently get around that upper limit, like Romney and 9000 others did. stevenleser Nov 2014 #27
Those are not Roth IRAs. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #28
Ahh. OK, thanks for pointing that out. nt stevenleser Nov 2014 #29
The French invented the National Razor for these types in 1789. How about importing this kairos12 Nov 2014 #9
Better yet we build our own........ Hotler Nov 2014 #10
that what it will take d_b Nov 2014 #20
No need. GoCubsGo Nov 2014 #21
& don't forget the xtra security cameras redruddyred Nov 2014 #35
Hey! Are you trying to get us to not like rich people? L0oniX Nov 2014 #11
Will the time come Thespian2 Nov 2014 #15
amerikan capitalism at it's best heaven05 Nov 2014 #16
Did Koch really say that? CrispyQ Nov 2014 #18
I don't think the Ebola situation is necessarily yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #19
I'm glad to see someone else around here knows about the work of Piff & Keltner. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #24
K&R Important, important post. woo me with science Nov 2014 #25
Real people have big stock portfolios----Subhumans don't nikto Nov 2014 #26
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #33
I have to say that I have issues with the first one. Personally I agree which much of what was said LynneSin Nov 2014 #34
Roth IRAs are actually for the rest of us who are not fabulously wealthy IronLionZion Nov 2014 #36
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #37
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #38
 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
1. Believe him or not it's a great analogy " A camel through the eye of a needle "
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:33 AM
Nov 2014

$$$$$$$$ addiction is the root of All our problems .

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
2. There's that "sense of entitlement again" -
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:54 AM
Nov 2014

except according to the MSM and right wing trolls on comment blogs WE'RE the ones who have it!

TBF

(32,003 posts)
6. He has done this on other
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 08:50 AM
Nov 2014

occasions as well. So they do vary and that's a very important point. The larger problem is systemic - that we allow individuals to accumulate so much rather than acting as a community. I don't care whether we do away with currency and divvy up resources, or figure out how to tax and redistribute appropriately, but something has to give. There has to be a better way for 7.1 people to share this planet than a handful living in extreme luxury while millions suffer.

TBF

(32,003 posts)
31. Thanks - I think others
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:48 PM
Nov 2014

see it too. We've gone through a very conservative time in this country but I remember better days (my dad was in a trade union back when there were still manufacturing jobs in this country).

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
23. FFS
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:50 PM
Nov 2014

Zuckerberg was the highest paid CEO in 2012 with an income of $2.3 BILLION. His donation of $25 million was surely a tax write off. Bill Gates and other robber barons do charity work for the tax write offs and to avoid paying taxes all while putting out press releases of how saintly they are. I'm glad he gave the money, but will not sanctify him. If he wanted to give a year's or even a month's salary ($192 MILLION) that would be something to applaud.

TBF

(32,003 posts)
5. I can't believe they can call
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 08:47 AM
Nov 2014

themselves Christians while screwing over everyone around them. If that is what winds up in heaven I want no part of it.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. Actually if your income is too high you are ineligible for a Roth IRA.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:56 AM
Nov 2014

If a married couple earns more than $191,000 they are not eligible,

http://www.rothira.com/roth-ira-limits

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
17. I guess that particular point in the OP is completely wrong, then. Thanks!
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:28 AM
Nov 2014

I didnt know there was an upper limit.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
27. Although you can apparently get around that upper limit, like Romney and 9000 others did.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:25 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-17/how-to-join-9-000-u-s-taxpayers-with-romney-sized-iras.html

There are 9000 Americans with at least $5 million in their IRA's who have used a loophole.

kairos12

(12,842 posts)
9. The French invented the National Razor for these types in 1789. How about importing this
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:36 AM
Nov 2014

French product to the U.S.?

Hotler

(11,394 posts)
10. Better yet we build our own........
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:49 AM
Nov 2014

just show up at Zuccotti park on Wall St. and start building one and add one of those pick a number machines so people are called in order.

GoCubsGo

(32,074 posts)
21. No need.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:18 PM
Nov 2014

They've been seeing to it that this country is armed to the teeth. One of these days, that's going to backfire on them.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
11. Hey! Are you trying to get us to not like rich people?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:49 AM
Nov 2014

Good ...and you're preaching to the choir. I'm sure a few here who do make their living from stocks will be displeased. Thanks much.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
15. Will the time come
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:01 AM
Nov 2014

when the slaves revolt? Burn the ill-gotten gains of the GREEDY BASTARDS. Perhaps burning four or five homes of a slave-master would cause their private army, including the police, to go ballistic. Could be the start of the real revolution in North America.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. amerikan capitalism at it's best
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:10 AM
Nov 2014

and it's most greedy, piggish recipients. This is NOT a democracy that helps the majority. In fact since 1980, the minority(1%) has been trying to make slaves out of the majority(99%). Period. The really sad part of that is a large portion of that 99% keep voting for the people making them slaves. Stupid.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
19. I don't think the Ebola situation is necessarily
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:10 PM
Nov 2014

Greed. We didn't have Ebola in the United States. However, Africa has it. They certainly have scientists and rich in Africa. They didn't do any research at all? Sounds incredibly doubtful.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
26. Real people have big stock portfolios----Subhumans don't
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:19 PM
Nov 2014

Many of us subhumans just don't have stock portfolios.
Amoebas don't have them either.

So...
people without stock portfolios = amoebas




Do you really have the gall to assert that amoebas have the same rights as real people?



Gosh, that would be...unreasonable.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
34. I have to say that I have issues with the first one. Personally I agree which much of what was said
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:54 AM
Nov 2014

Ebola has been around for decades and include this last outbreak which has been the largest outbreak of all time, there's probably 20,000 people total who have died from this disease. Before this last outbreak usually no more than a handful to a few hundred tops would be all that would die of it.

So I have to wonder, why would we invest millions or even billions of dollars investigating a disease that has killed only a few thousand people when there are far greater issues in Africa where that money could better bet spent. By far the 3 greatest issues I can think of in regards to Africa and health issues would be things like AIDs/HIV, Malaria and Hunger - all 3 which have killed millions yet all 3 which not only are treatable but can be preventable. To me that seems like a better investment in money.

There is a known cure for Ebola and in the end that is to isolate the sick and the dead so the virus can no longer find another host. Once the virus cannot find new hosts it will die out. It is not an airborne virus so it's spread is not as easy as you think. So the millions being donated today for Ebola would be better served investing in better sanitation and infrastructure with these hospitals in Africa than to research a cure for a disease that has killed less than 20k people in over 4 decades.

The other 3 points extremely extremely valid points!

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
36. Roth IRAs are actually for the rest of us who are not fabulously wealthy
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:34 AM
Nov 2014

For a single person like me, its for those making less than $114,000. For married people, its 181,000. So rich people can't have it because they would have reached the upper limit. http://www.rothira.com/roth-ira-limits Its actually a very good idea to get one. I started one because it forces me to save for the long term so even if I am short on cash at any moment, at least I have my roth that I can't dip into until retirement.

And through my personal experience, when it comes to traffic laws, I am wary of walking across the street in the presence of luxury cars or beat up cheap cars, but feel safer around normal middle class cars for some reason. They people trying to run me over tend to be working class men in pick up trucks, the rich assholes mostly just honk or drive around us out of a sense of entitlement as if they have some place important to be and don't have time for pedestrian crossings. I recently saw a BMW do this to a family with an elderly war veteran at the Arlington national cemetery.

On a related note, I've seen the pro-lifers push a random pregnant woman out of the way on the sidewalk until she fell, and they couldn't be bothered to help her up.

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