Well, I think it's becoming quite clear what the Grand Jury ruling in Ferguson is going to be by the

[RKP5637]

actions of the governor of MO., Nixon. And, I bet many of the police are itching for confrontations. Every step, it seems they work to create confrontational situations.

[underpants]

1. They are clearly prepping the battlefield

The grand jury decision isn't even an issue it sadly appears. They are conditioning the public to see some heads cracked open by cops.

[RKP5637]

3. Obey or be killed. It's a message to the entire nation about many things. Should OWS rise

again, they will be dealt with in the same way. The oligarchs demand obedience and submission! The new America. So pathetic and sad.

[99th_Monkey]

2. That's totally what's happening IMHO - Not to mention the announcement in advance

of how eager the Ferguson Police Dept. is to welcome him back with open arms.

[JEB]

4. Axis of evil in the form

of Cops, KKK, DHS, FBI.

[jillan]

5. What they don't realize is that the protests will not just be in Ferguson.

This 58 yo white woman will be out holding a sign saying I am Michael Brown here in Phoenix.

The shit is going to hit the fan.

Assholes!!!

[RKP5637]

6. Agree! The police state is preparing to respond across the nation. The oligarchs are fearful of

the masses finally discovering there are more of us than them! This entire Ferguson situation has been managed by a bunch of bumbling fools from the governor down.

[Warpy]

10. Which is why the masses need to be smarter.

I'm talking about strike smarter, not on lines or in crowds where they can be mowed down, I mean silently, sitting in their homes, playing cards or doing something else to entertain themselves that doesn't require electricity of contact online or by cell phone or meeting in large groups. Untraceably. Just not there. On strike. Maybe on local, rolling strikes.

Marching peacefully to confront Robo Cop is not going to work. He's dressed for a riot, he's going to get a riot, safely anonymous behind that dark face shield and covered in so much riot gear he looks like an engorged tick. He's not himself, he's playing one of the good guys in the Turner Diaries and the rabble must be defeated at all costs. Trying to shame billionaires doesn't work, either, as they are utterly amoral.

I've been in a police riot. They are not fun, not even when you've successfully kept them out of your flat thanks to 3/4 inch plywood put up by a paranoid roommate and you're just listening to the screams of an old wino on the other side, waiting for them to go away so they can brag to each other in some after hours bar while your roommates take the poor old guy to a hospital to get his fractures set.

Watch those videos of the early days of the Ukraine upheaval. If you're not prepared to do that, then when the cops show up, leave. There are smarter ways to do this.

The oligarchy had better be afraid. There are so many more of us than there are of them, they need us a lot more than we need them, and we're collectively a lot smarter than they are. All they have is money and a total lack of morals and a bunch of cops who think face shields absolve them of doing the right thing, too.

[RKP5637]

36. Quite true, confrontations are just what the police want. It's a war game for them, chance to

use/try their toys and also to beat up on those undesirables they hate. Testosterone runs freely. For many, it's a complement to Fox News, their bible for some. For the police choreographers planting provocateurs, it's show time, Broadway in action.

To me, much of it's become a replay of the 60's. The difference this time is the police have more sophisticated toys, so facing Robo Cops directly is not effective. It's ever so obvious who has the upper hand. As you said, what is needed is more effective means to protest than direct confrontation.

[Warpy]

58. Boston cops had the face shields and protective clothing in the 70s

No rubber bullets, if they'd started shooting there would have been extreme carnage.

After the riot, they made those guys walk beats in the neighborhood. Take off their face shields and remove their anonymity, they weren't terrible.

[Ilsa]

103. Thank you for your post.

And you are right about all of it. I just wish the oligarchy would realize that they need us.

[Warpy]

110. At the deepest level, they do

That's what scares them the most--and makes them despise us.

[KingCharlemagne]

19. I salute you! Solidarity from Los Angeles, CA - nt

[RoverSuswade]

7. A grand jury is just not going to indict or convict a police officer -

cop or rent-a-cop (George Zimmerman). so what happens is a no-brainer. I think it will be a lot worse than forcast. Sadly.

[alfredo]

8. I bet they will wait for the nastiest weather, then break the news.

[B Calm]

50. That would be today. It's suppose to warm up this weekend.

[alfredo]

77. It's got to be needles in the face cold and windy.

[TorchTheWitch]

34. they don't vote to convict anyone - it's not a trial

They do, however, bring down indictments if the facts point in that direction against lay persons as well as police officers. Grand juries are also prosecution only based... there is no defense permitted. That's where that saying "easy to indict even a ham sandwich" comes from.

But of course, no one here and not the protesters in Ferguson were interested in any facts about the incident in the first place. They - both there and here - weren't willing to wait to find out what facts an investigation turned up. From the outset it was known that there were two completely different versions of what occurred yet no one was listening to one of those sides nor any facts or evidence that supported that side. The media has also fallen all over itself suppressing any information favorable to that side while emphasizing any allegation no matter how minor or irrelevant that supports the other.

People at DU haven't even bothered to notice the relevant changes in the side they threw in with from the moment it occurred. First Brown was shot in the back while running away. Then the DEFENSE autopsy findings came out where it was found that he was shot while facing Wilson. Then forensic evidence and several witnesses testified before the grand jury that showed he didn't have his hands up in surrender. Then there was information that there was also several witnesses that claimed Brown was rushing toward Wilson. Brown's having robbed a store and behaved violently toward the store clerk was either denied or ignored even after information came to light that this robbery had everything to do with the incident. Any articles that are even neutral on the incident or reveal any information from the investigation not favorable toward Brown don't get posted here and the very few that have been have either sunk like a rock or actually jury censored.

It's inconceivable that anyone on DU would approach any case with immediately choosing a side with little to no facts and entirely based on a cop hating agenda, yet it has and not only with this case though this one has been by FAR the worst. Even in the Zimmerman case actual facts were weighed and discussed. Not this case. With this case no one was willing to wait for any actual facts. Had there been no mass protests in Ferguson right out of the gate and no rioting there would have been little interest.

This case has also gotten more scrutiny than any other. Te Feds were brought in to do their own investigation, Ferguson police immediately turned over the investigation to another police department, and even Holder insinuated himself into it. Obama himself - the PRESIDENT of the USA - commented about the case. Yet DU is just so certain that despite all this scrutiny there's been all kinds of corruption going on and decided that if the grand jury doesn't indict Wilson than that or any other ridiculous excuse will be the reason rather than the actual facts we aren't yet aware of and they are.

How absurd and ironic these calls for justice immediately following the incident while throwing the justice system out the window by not even wanting an investigation to be done first. Both the protesters and DU haven't thought any investigation was at all necessary never mind how completely crazy that is. If you aren't willing to be arrested and tried without any investigation even being done than you have no business demanding it happen to anyone else and especially no business wanting it and calling it "justice".

[DrDan]

48. great post!

but consideration of the facts-of-the-case does interfere with a good rant

[Sparhawk60]

119. That Never Stopped Us

Facts never stopped us after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. But I will confess, when this story first broke, I was foaming at the mouth ranting about it. After more and more facts came out, I realized the truth was not so simple as I first thought.

[snappyturtle]

55. Thank you. nt

[Lurks Often]

56. I agree completely and it seems to be getting worse, not better.

Facts are irrelevant
Wanting to hear both sides is irrelevant
Waiting for all the evidence is irrelevant
Due process is irrelevant

Anything that doesn't fit the group think's narrative is ignored or wild conspiracy theories are developed to explain things away.

Anybody who doesn't agree with the accepted group think is shouted down, called a racist, called a right winger, called a troll and called other names as well.

The only thing that matters is the emotional outrage

[ChazII]

67. Great post. Thank you

and I also agree with #55 and #56.

[840high]

68. Good post.

[Yo_Mama]

73. It IS about rage now. It should be about the killing, but it isn't any more.

The facts mean nothing, and if the grand jury doesn't indict, then I sure hope their anonymity is preserved.

As for DU, yes I have seen the threads ignoring what little concrete evidence has been presented, which evidence makes it clear that Brown wasn't shot in the back, etc.

I admire you for your willingness to buck the madness, but I don't think you will make an impact at all.

I am hoping that if the grand jury doesn't indict, the weather will keep the unrest down.

[Travelman]

76. Well-said. n/t

[bettyellen]

78. absurd and ironic to confuse rumors with actual testimony. And this GJ IS hearing from the defense.

Which is highly irregular, and skews the process considerably.

You'd think someone who takes the time to write six paragraphs would know WHY so many mistrust what is going on there. Now, you know a little about it.
Autopsy results? None were released in any detail. Also, no police reports- and that is a huge part of it. Pretending these things have been released instead of veiled in secrecy is part of the problem. No one has any business calling it "justice", just business as usual.

[heaven05]

83. exceptional

BS!!!!!

[kwassa]

99. I think you are completely wrong.

The truth is that there is no complete set of facts out there yet, there has been selective leaking from the prosecutors of facts supporting the police side of the case only. There are autopsy reports where some important results are amibiguous. There are numerous issues that can't be resolved except at trial.

And, there are many on DU who support both sides in this case with opinions that can't be formed on anything but the most partial information.

The most important point is this: the grand jury will do whatever the prosecutor wants them to do. If the prosecutor only selects facts to present to the grand jury that supports the police version of events, then there will be no indictment. Therefore, whether Wilson is actually guilty may never be determined if to do so depends on the bias of the prosecutor.

A federal trial beyond this state trial might determine such a thing, but it will also be a damning commentary on the politicization of the state prosecutor's office if no indictment is handed up on the state level, but one is handed up on the federal level.

[hugo_from_TN]

109. Good post. Agree completely n/t

[KingCharlemagne]

113. Your post is shameful. "But of course, no one here and not the protesters in Ferguson were

interested in any facts about the incident in the first place." Talk about your gross calumnies and libels!

BTW, if defense is not permitted in a Grand Jury proceeding, then why was the killer cop Wilson allowed to testify for 4+ hours without facing any cross-examination?

WTF? And you say you're in favor of "facts."

[maced666]

60. Is Holder in on it?

Know he visited.

[onecaliberal]

9. The evil fuckers running

The city and state don't even try to pretend to be for justice. The pics state will never allow protests again.

[Nye Bevan]

11. Isn't it good to be prepared?

Hopefully there will be no unrest, just as there were no riots after the Zimmerman acquittal. But if there is, and no preparations were made, there would be very justified criticism after the fact of the governor not being prepared.

[morningfog]

13. There is no reason at this point to declare a state of emergency

and to call in the national guard. The state is stoking it.

[Nye Bevan]

14. How quickly would people criticize the governor for *not* calling in the National Guard

if there does turn out to be unrest?

[morningfog]

17. Who cares? Are you worried about a politician getting criticized?

Their racism is showing. This is absolute insanity. Schools closing early, shelter in place orders, national guard, building up a force -- all pre-emptively. They are openly prepping for civil strife. You can't simultaneously prepare for war and peace and all that.

A bunch of trigger happy, scared and racist cops are being prepped for battle. I wouldn't be surprised if they are the ones who light a fire in the people. The people are prepping and planning for a peaceful action. The other side is preparing for battle.

[Nye Bevan]

18. When the Klan has promised to be there and to use "lethal force"

I think the people need to be protected. I think a black store-owner would prefer a National Guard presence over having his business destroyed by the Klan.

[morningfog]

20. Yes. I am sure that the state of emergency was declared due to threats from the Klan.

[SomethingFishy]

93. +1

[MadDAsHell]

82. "The people are prepping and planning for a peaceful action"

It's true, there's a lot of good history showing that the people always prep and plan for peaceful action...

[morningfog]

84. When you say "the people" you really mean "angry blacks," don't you?

[MadDAsHell]

87. You would love that wouldn't you...

Funny enough it looks like the first person to mention race in this post was....you.

[heaven05]

95. funny the first person to USE

race in this post that was completely obvious, is you.

[morningfog]

96. No, no, no. Your pictures certainly didn't suggest anything about race

or your feelings towards angry black people.

[heaven05]

94. he/she already said it by

inciting anger with the photos. Transparent and completely obvious.

[MadDAsHell]

98. Let me get clarification..

Are you literally saying that if I search for photos for past clashes involving citizens and police where violence occured (Ferguson and the LA Riots of the early 90's being two of the most well known) and the pictures that come up show African-Americans, that I need to move on and pick different pictures for fear of "inciting anger?"

Now that's a logical approach to life.

Anyone remember the rape of an elderly woman in Philadelphia about 8-10 years ago where the local press outlets released all distinguishing features of the alleged perpetrator EXCEPT his race, even though he was at-large and the public was asked to watch out for him?

You didn't happen to work in the newspaper business in Philly about 8-10 years ago did you?

[heaven05]

101. No, nothing like that

you shouldn't have posted any photo that has the implication you intended. You want to go back eight or ten years? Fine as a deflection from point. Your posting is transparent and obvious in it's meaning and implication. Clear enough for your logical mind?

[morningfog]

111. No, you failed from the outset.

There are many reports of the extensive efforts that the community is making to facilitate peaceful protests. Trainings, safe places to go, support, etc.

You responded to a post about that with riots. You ignored the fact that efforts to make it peaceful are being made right now. And it has nothing to do with the images you posted. I can see you race-baiting and you are very good at it.

[MadDAsHell]

115. ty

[heaven05]

92. and?

your point?

[SomethingFishy]

100. Ah yes the poor put upon police...

Never been out in peaceful publicized protest have you? I'd shame you for your incredible ignorance, but it's not really your fault that your world view is shaped by television.

[heaven05]

102. you WON'T get an answer

from that one about these photos. Nailed it.

[loyalsister]

29. I agree that it's early

But I have to admit that the way the media is reveling in the potential for conflict, worries me.

The KKK is a group to be taken seriously here. There are several chapters, and the Ozarks is home to a hard core Christian Identity group. I am afraid of the celebration\and or anger they could unleash.

The people who I know personally who have been talking with organizers in STL are focused on keeping people safe. I have a friend who had a friend in HS whose parents were Black Separatists. He said he thinks they should be taken seriously.

We know that we have to avoid a confrontation with police. They are armed, and obviously some are inclined to shoot.

We know that black men are likely to be angry if this goes the way we fear. But, they are also the most vulnerable. We want to keep ourselves, and our friends\family safe. If law enforcement can and will help, we will welcome them.

[840high]

69. Being proactive is good.

[morningfog]

72. It destabilizes and promotes fear.

A self-fulfilling prophecy.

[840high]

91. In my opinion - it might save people from being hurt or killed.

[markpkessinger]

117. If the Grand Jury refuses to indict, then I sure as hell hope there IS some unrest over this!

It isn't that I want to see violence -- not at all. But I sure as hell hope people wouldn't simply roll over in the face of something like this!

[zentrum]

12. There's almost no doubt

He will be found not guilty. I heard a BBC report about the laws in Missouri for claiming self-defense. They are "quite loose".

Even if you think someone is a danger to you, you can shoot in self-defense. They used the example of an unarmed person reaching into their pocket for their keys but if you think it's a gun, you can shoot.

All Wilson has to say is he thought Michael Brown had a weapon or was coming at him and he can skate in Missouri.

But the police want a riot in any event.

[TransitJohn]

16. There's a lot of doubt, since that would require a trial

a lack of indictment does not make the pig 'not guilty.' It means he's not indicted. Civics, much?

[zentrum]

24. You're not understanding my post

I think he's guilty and should be indicted. But the laws in Missouri protect People like Wilson so Wilson will not have to stand trial, based on self defense laws specific to Missouri. Reading, much?

[TransitJohn]

37. I can't help it if you use words in meanings other than their defined ones. eom

n/t

[leftynyc]

54. You know

you have no idea if the person is an American and would understand what a grand jury is. I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who also do not understand. You could have explained it instead of behaving like a dick. Just saying.

[zentrum]

71. Thanks. n/t

[TransitJohn]

118. Lulz

n/t

[loyalsister]

22. Extremely loose!

They essentially allow a "castle" for the purposes of a castle doctrine to be the circle surrounding where you stand.

[zentrum]

25. Exactly.

Nice to see Ann!

[leftynyc]

53. There hasn't been a trial

I'm not sure if you're an American or not so you may not understand what a grand jury is. This is a system set up to present evidence to see if there is enough evidence to warrant a trial. 9 out of 12 grand jurors need to vote that enough evidence has been presented and is compelling enough to warrant an indictment. If there is an indictment, then the case goes to trial. So there is no "not guilty" or "guilty" decisions here. Just to indict or not to indict.

[ctaylors6]

106. Do you mind explaining

how Missouri is different than other jurisdictions? It's pretty standard self-defense law that a person is justified in using physical force to defend himself from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force, using a reasonable person standpoint given the surrounding circumstances. I'm not so familiar with Missouri law and am curious how it varies. I know the burden of proof is more favorable for self-defense in Missouri. I could research it but it'd save me time if you don't mind explaining it?

[X_Digger]

116. It doesn't vary. It's the same 'reasonable man' standard as elsewhere.

I heard the same bbc piece on NPR last night, they mentioned that, gosh, a person could even be wrong, (which they apparently thought was novel- it isn't.)

[TransitJohn]

15. There should be an investigation if the Governor does know the outcome

That would be felonious, right?

[morningfog]

21. I don't think the governor knows, he's just as scared of black people as Darren Wilson.

[TransitJohn]

38. Gotcha. eom

n/t

[lonestarnot]

23. So you're saying someone already has the decision or it is known by someone?

[RKP5637]

39. No, not the exact decision, but by now it must be pretty clear to those in the inner

circles as to the drift of what the decision well might be.

[heaven05]

85. YES!!!!!

good ole boys .........network....still alive and well. Anyone who denies that fact has not dealt very much with that club/network.

[jwirr]

26. I think that the protesters should surprise them. They should ask the churches of the area for

asylum and instead of walking the streets in protest have set ins in the churches where the good old boys cannot touch them. No violence except for the great build up of militarized police. Still a protest and visible to the world.

Let the cops stand around waiting because they know you are there and they know they cannot do anything about it. Justice.

[H. Cromwell]

28. I agree with you

Have sit ins in the churches. Peaceful protests, no laws broken, no innocent people's property destroyed, no reason for violent police responses. A wonderful concept. Do you want to bet it won't happen.

[jwirr]

30. No, because I seriously doubt that the churches would cooperate.

[LanternWaste]

80. Houses of worship are pledging prayer, counseling and even shelter, food and medical care...

Houses of worship are pledging open doors to all in the wake of the grand-jury decision, offering prayer, counseling and even shelter, food and medical care for any blocked from reaching their homes by protester or police lines.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/11/more_st_louis_churches_to_offer_prayer_vigils_shelter_after_ferguson_grand_jury_verdict.php

[jwirr]

88. I am surprised. Would be interested in knowing if these churches cover a wide range of denominations

or not.

[loyalsister]

31. That is exactly what is happening

The protestors have not decided what to do. Churches have publicized their intention to provide asylum. Other than that, no plans have been made. After the verdict is made public, we will gather in our respective territories and decide how to respond.
We feel like we need to evaluate what is already happening on the ground, first.

The priority is safety. We don't want to see any more people hurt or killed.

[starroute]

32. The general plans are described here

Possible protest locations, safe spaces, rules of engagement, direct action trainings, and so on.
http://www.noindictment.org/

Also national response plans. I count 75 cities on the list so far.
http://fergusonresponse.tumblr.com/

[loyalsister]

35. I think that is probably a tiny sampling

KC is the only MO city other than Ferguson listed. There are plans in other MO cities\towns and I'm sure there are many more across the country. It will be truly remarkable if people turn out in the kind of cold we've been having.

[jwirr]

43. This is good. Especially the other cities.

[heaven05]

90. thanks

[jwirr]

41. Safety was my thought when I suggested it. I do not think the cops can be trusted even if every

single protester is a perfect saint.

[loyalsister]

51. Mistrust is completely reasonable

I do think that the idea of getting them on our side (I'm talking about where I live not STL) would be to our advantage. My city has it's faults and we have had some struggles with police, but the police chief has fired a couple of cops over discrimination issues.
I just hope that STL doesn't explode with rage the way the media and others assume it will. I am confident\hopeful that there is strong leadership that will help steer us all through it.

[jwirr]

79. I agree that having a good police force is vital. In my small community we actually have two police

forces. One for the entire community and one on the reservation. The latter handles most cases on the res and can call the former in if needed for backup. That seldom happens. There have also been police fired for not doing their job correctly and in at least two cases for rape (also indicted). I really feel sorry of St Louis because the are so divided. And it seems the police there are the ones doing the dividing.

[loyalsister]

105. It's not just the police

In a way, Ferguson shares some qualities of a reservation in the sense that a high African American population is located contained within specific boundaries. That situation actually emerged fairly recently.

The population of STL county is 70% white. In 1990, Ferguson was also 70% white. Now it is 70% minority (pop. 21,000 out of a county with around a million people) due to white flight and banking lending biases.

Yet, the leadership and law enforcement still reflects the demographics of 1990.

The most influential police force is under county rule and officers can easily jump from one precinct to another. If an officer is let go or resigns for any reason and they can get hired elsewhere, and start fresh on paper.

I'm so glad that labor leadership is speaking up, because the local police unions are largely responsible for that system. They have enough influence in that large county that it's almost impossible to fire police officers.

I don't know specifics about Ferguson's local police force, but in a small town there usually isn't enough money to hire very many. And when there is a small dept. to work with, aggressive retention is a factor. Therefore, county rules.

So, the law enforcement mess in Ferguson and STL county generally is a function of bad policies and not having a solid local police force that reflects the community.

I think the county and state leaderships are largely to blame for not actively helping this emerging city develop over the last 20 yrs. They allowed this plantation-esque arrangement to develop. It has been the people of Ferguson vs. the higher level governments that have allowed extreme institutional discrimination and the resulting make up of law enforcement for the past 10- 15 yrs.

There is so much work to be done! I hope there are people who have good ideas for how to begin to heal this city because there are clearly a number of severe dysfunctions that needs to be addressed. I hope that there are enough people who can actually have some positive influence working on it, but I have doubts.

[jwirr]

112. Hopefully things will be fixed. As we have all said local police would help and development money

that would allow for forming black leadership and finally voting would all help. But we just elected the wrong people to have that happen easily.

[loyalsister]

114. The wrong people have been in office in MO for about 12 yrs

And I don't see it changing anytime soon. The republican veto-proof GA has far more power than the Gov. and they have no intention of doing anything productive for the people in MO.

I did hear of one possible change that would be helpful in the long run. A R state rep proposed legislation that would immediately refer any legal proceedings that involve police as criminal suspect\defendant to the state for investigation and prosecution if necessary.

That's a positive step, but what we really need is for it not to be necessary.

[jwirr]

120. That is at least one step. Yes, I think the people of our country have really stepped into it as far

as the last 30+ years of Rs is concerned. This next two years is going to be hell in more ways than one.

[Le Taz Hot]

40. At which time the feds will threaten to pull their

tax-exempt status and I don't know of ANY church that would be willing to go that far. IMO, the churches are just as evil as the fascist government under which we are all now living.

[jwirr]

42. Asylum is an old service of the church. I do not know if it falls under the idea of preaching

politics from the pulpit and that is what they can pull the tax exempt status for.

[Le Taz Hot]

44. You are still living under the assumption that

the rule of law means something in this country. It hasn't for quite sometime.

[jwirr]

45. All the more reason to use asylum. Force them to say that the church has been wrong for centuries.

[Le Taz Hot]

47. Well, I'm glad you're optimistic.

Me? I've lived too much life and have seen horrendous crimes committed by my government that I never thought I'd see.

[jwirr]

81. I've been watching since the Korean War. Born in 1941 but a little to young to understand most of it

until then. I do remember FDR's death. Sat on my mother's lap and cried. But I am not optimistic. I just refuse to stop trying and fighting back. Always looking for the angle that will turn us around.

[Bluenorthwest]

62. Asylum involves fugitives being hidden, a long protest or rally in a Church is nothing more than

a meeting, like a revival that goes on for days. Churches are free to engage in such activities and do so regularly. The 'tax exemption' issues come around endorsement or opposition to particular candidates or Parties. Obviously Churches speak very loudly and freely about issues, even issues on ballots, note LGBT equality and issues of reproductive choice.

[ChazII]

70. Good question about Asylum, an Arizona church

has been letting an undocumented worker live on their grounds for several months now. More have offered to open their doors for asylum as well to the undocumented workers.

I think more churches would be willing to help than some at DU is giving them credit for.

[jberryhill]

57. there is no law against arresting someone in a church

[JustAnotherGen]

66. I've been pressing the idea of mass sit ins

It shatters the casual bigots perception of the world when black folks get real good and quiet. The quieter we are - the less they know what we are thinking. And that could be a good thing for ALL of those on the left.

[heaven05]

86. In principle great suggestion

yet it would not be covered very extensively. MSM likes the cracked heads, chaos, blood and bullets. Don't get me wrong, an excellent suggestion and I'm not saying anything else.

[Half-Century Man]

27. As over the top of the response to the possible extent of possible protest.

I'm beginning to think the grand jury is going to give Officer Wilgun a commendation for emptying a magazine into an unarmed teenager.

[Cha]

33. Yeah, they're letting a White Murdering Cop who Killed an Unarmed Teenager Off Bloody Free!

[Vinca]

46. They aren't supposed to know ahead of time, but it's clear they do know.

I'm betting all hell breaks loose there and in other cities around the country. Hello 1960's.

[RKP5637]

49. They have to have IMO a pretty good idea. I can't believe TPTB in MO are all sitting

in the dark like the general populace waiting for an announcement by the Grand Jury. They well might not know the exact result, but certainly IMO the drift of what it well might be.

[Yo_Mama]

75. Well, I have not looked at all the "leaks", and I wouldn't trust them any way.

I think I basically stopped at the first "defense" autopsy, at which it became clear that the one guy who said Brown was shot in the back was mistaken or lying.

I don't think it's settled, but certainly this is the sort of thing for which you prepare if you believe there's a possibility of no bill, based on the violence that has already occurred.

[still_one]

52. The problem as I see it is I wouldn't put it past uncover plants to infiltrate the crowd to create a

reason for the police to act against the crowd.

[RKP5637]

63. I think that's definitely what will happen. Then the media will smear the protesters as

unruly and undesirable people like what was done with OWS and many other demonstrations that conflict with TPTB.

[maced666]

59. I thought Eric Holder went to Ferguson.

What why huh....it's fixed? If so is he in on it?

[Calista241]

61. They'll annojnce the ruling while it's cold out. n/t

[morningfog]

64. My prediction: Wilson will be indicted on second degree murder or voluntary manslaughter.

Just my prediction based on what I have read of the case and the evidence.

Of course I could be wrong.

[RKP5637]

65. That would be interesting! All I want is for it to be fair and correct whichever way it goes. n/t

[Yo_Mama]

74. No - this is one of these things for which you have to prepare.

We don't board up our houses for hurricanes because we hope for disaster, and most of the time it's not necessary. We do it because if the worst happens, there will be no time to prevent severe damage during the storm.

[RKP5637]

107. Yep, I agree! Things could go very badly, but hopefully they won't. n/t

[One_Life_To_Give]

89. Holder tipped the cards weeks ago

Federal Civil Rights charges are what was used to overcome corrupt local police/justice system. When he shot down the idea of going after Federal Civil Rights charges so early in the investigation. It was a clue that there was insufficient evidence to warrant the Federal Government stepping in.

[morningfog]

97. That doesn't make sense. If the fed charges are used to overcome a corrupt justice system

and he chose not to go forward early, it suggests that he wants to see whether the justice system is corrupt or not. He may have seen that there was ample evidence to indict and is giving the state the opportunity to do it right before stepping in.

[One_Life_To_Give]

104. Federal officials don't believe they have a strong enough case to merit civil rights charges

Federal officials don't believe they have a strong enough case to merit civil rights charges

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/10/31/Ferguson-police-officer-unlikely-to-face-civil-rights-charges-in-teens-shooting/3191414800852/#ixzz3JRy5lr8i

With the level of initial Federal response and a personal trip by the AG. The local prosecutor knows there is Federal oversight and probably a daily briefing is being prepared for Potus. The local Police Chief may not know how to talk with people in the community. But they know the Fed's are watching them very closely.

My guess is DOJ has already signed off on Not taking this case to trial. And most of what you are seeing is theater about trying to minimize the fallout.

[RKP5637]

108. Interesting, thanks for the additional info.! n/t