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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:23 PM Nov 2014

Russia has called for "a 100% guarantee that no-one would think about Ukraine joining Nato" ...

Russia has called for "a 100% guarantee that no-one would think about Ukraine joining Nato", President Vladimir Putin's spokesman has told the BBC. Dmitri Peskov added that Nato's gradual approach towards Russia's borders had made Moscow "nervous".

Earlier, Mr Putin said the US would never "subdue" Russia over Ukraine.

In a televised meeting earlier, Mr Putin told a group of pro-Kremlin activists that the US wanted "to subdue us, solve their problems at our expense. They want to dominate and influence". To applause he added: "No-one in history ever managed to achieve this with Russia, and no-one ever will."

Mr Putin said that US and EU sanctions against Russia ran contrary to these countries' own interests and that Russia - whose currency is suffering because of the sanctions - would see a boost in its industries.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30107520

Finland, which also borders Russia, belongs to the EU but not to NATO. I don't see why Ukraine can't do the same.

Mr Putin said the US would never "subdue" Russia over Ukraine.

I suppose that is the reverse of Kruschev's "We will bury you." This one is "You will not bury us."

Who knows if this spokesperson's statement is real or just a trial balloon or what Putin is willing offer in exchange for Ukraine agreeing not to join NATO. If Ukraine is free to integrate with Europe that seems to be what its people want. The prospect of NATO membership should be negotiable.
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Russia has called for "a 100% guarantee that no-one would think about Ukraine joining Nato" ... (Original Post) pampango Nov 2014 OP
NATO isn't a sports league Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #1
No matter what Ukraine wants NATO does not want Ukraine. former9thward Nov 2014 #2
How about a 100% guarantee that Russia stays out of Ukraine's internal affairs. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #3
That's the unanswered question. What is Russia willing to give for Ukraine not going NATO? n/t pampango Nov 2014 #4
The problem is only one thing can make such a guarantee: geek tragedy Nov 2014 #5
Russia needs to jam that request for a "100% guarantee" up their asses Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #6
 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
1. NATO isn't a sports league
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:28 PM
Nov 2014

It's a group of nations who have pledged to literally go nuclear to defend each other.

I'm not willing to risk a nuclear war for anything going on in Ukraine. Are you? I'm still wondering at the justification for the US being involved at all, never mind as a leading player in the conflict. Where's the national interest in this?

former9thward

(31,974 posts)
2. No matter what Ukraine wants NATO does not want Ukraine.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:34 PM
Nov 2014

No way is it going to step into that mess. NATO's purpose is pretty much a post WW II institution and Europe is not in a post WW II mindset anymore. Most NATO countries have very small militaries and can't really do much to help anybody.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
6. Russia needs to jam that request for a "100% guarantee" up their asses
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:16 PM
Nov 2014

Let Russia remove the seven fucking armored divisions they shoved across the border, and maybe then we'll talk...

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