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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy does Vladimir Putin Hate the TTIP when it does not involve Russia?
It's not hard to figure out why: it would more tightly bind Europe to the United States, thus hurting Russian leverage. The TTIP is a sensible agreement on economic grounds, broadly speaking. But it also holds enormous real value in the geopolitical sphere. The increased linkages between the United States and our European allies and partners will stand in direct opposition to Putin's key strategy of driving a wedge between the United States and the EU as the central members of the transatlantic community.
Naturally, there are challenges. There is nervousness on both sides of the Atlantic about various elements of the potential agreement -- in particular, worries from Europe about the competitiveness of the continent's agriculture sector; the impact on energy production and the rise of fracking; protection of intellectual property; and the level of protection afforded to cultural assets. All of these outstanding areas of concern have received considerable attention from the negotiators, and that there is guarded optimism they will be resolved according to conversations with senior negotiators.
There will also be obstacles to ratification. In Europe, the European Parliament will need to approve it, and there are questions being raised about the need for national parliaments to be involved. In the United States, the Senate will have to ratify the treaty. And we would still need to address the status of Canada and Mexico who currently enjoy a free trade zone via the North American Free Trade Agreement with the United States, and presumably would be interested in TTIP inclusion. Likewise, in Europe: four nations outside of the EU would likewise be interested (Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, and tiny Liechtenstein).
So how does all this affect the geopolitics of the region -- especially Russia's fraught relationship with the United States, NATO, and the EU? In addition to the economic benefits that would flow to both sides, there is clear geopolitical value. An economically energized Atlantic community with a shared free trade zone is far more likely to stand firm against Russian pressures (with natural gas closures, for example) designed to break up transatlantic solidarity. A European economy that enjoys a bounce from the benefits of free trade creates a stronger military partner for the United States, and provides more resources for defense spending. The agreement could help improve the Atlantic community's ability to share energy resources like liquefied natural gas through free trade.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/11/19/vladimir_putin_hates_the_ttip_europe_united_states_free_trade
Russia and China have been drawing closer together and represent an economic area (at least population-wise) that exceed that of North America and Europe. And any change in the trading rules between the US and Europe does not affect Russia's trade with either in the sense that those trading rules will not change.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)About bringing Vietnam closer to the US than China?
ETA - I don't think it exists in a vacuum - I think there is a correlation between TTIP and Pacific.
pampango
(24,692 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)There's a lot moving around the chess board. I don't think these major agreements can be discussed individually.
Another ETA - Making myself clearer - between the two TTP and TTIP - I think there is a lot of 'drawing of lines' going on. And questions about - Whose side are you on? And who will stand with.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Russia exports oil, guns and vodka.
China has some lighttowers of high-tech, but the far bigger part of the industry consists of primitive and dirty factories and sweatshops. And on top of that, China's big cities are developing ghettos inhabited by a new impoverished underclass that came from countryside to city looking for a new life and found nothing. China will have to restructure its industrial approach and/or its social safety-net in the near future or it risks a growing instability.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And furthermore it is a mistake in every way to indulge in personalities all day long in international affairs, as we seem to have become habituated to do. You don't want relations with foreign countries to be based on whether the current leader is someone we like or not. Politicians come and go.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Nonetheless, I think their attitudes toward international affairs is important. I don't consider that "indulging in personalities" since each of them has been chosen - one way or another - to be the leader of the government of a large and powerful country. They do come and go but while they are around, their attitudes matter.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Because, as the article notes, Putin is not party to the proposed agreements, and is hence otherwise irrelevant to the argument, except as a boogieman. It is the first of a number of points being made to suggest we should support Corporate Free Trade(tm) in all its forms, which is the purpose of the OP.
Further, the idea that the purpose of Free Trade argeements is to get Russia or annoy Putin is beneath contempt. This fuckwittery where the good of the USA somehow hinges on fucking with Russia is beneath contempt.
pampango
(24,692 posts)I don't hear about the US or the EU trying to block trade relations between Russia and China.
My reading of the OP was that it dealt at length with the attitude of Putin and Russia to the potential of closer trade relations between the US and the EU. As I posted earlier, I suspect that few of us form our opinions on policies based on what Putin, Obama, Xi or any other world leader think about them.
I did not read in the OP at all that the purpose of the TTIP was to get Russia or annoy Putin. It has been under negotiation for long before the deterioration in US/EU relations with Russia in the past year or so.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)question anything". And Booga booga booga! Putin doesn't like it, so you should LOVE it!