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cali

(114,904 posts)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 08:46 AM Nov 2014

San Diego jury awards woman $186 million in bias case against AutoZone

A federal jury in California awarded nearly $186 million to a San Diego area woman who sued AutoZone Inc. saying she was demoted and fired after being told pregnant women can't do the job of managing a store, court records showed.

The award on Monday by a six-person jury, which follows a two-week trial, includes $872,720 in compensatory damages and another $185 million in punitive damages for plaintiff Rosario Juarez, 43.

"We were able to prove that AutoZone engaged in rather extraordinary discrimination against Ms. Juarez," said attorney Charles Moore, who is part of the legal team representing her.

Representatives for the auto parts retailer did not immediately respond to requests for comment by phone and email. But company spokesman Ray Pohlman told the San Diego Union Tribune that the company intends to appeal.

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http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-jury-awards-woman-186-million-bias-013421925--finance.html

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San Diego jury awards woman $186 million in bias case against AutoZone (Original Post) cali Nov 2014 OP
Kick. Agschmid Nov 2014 #1
To deter corporate bad acts the penalties have to hurt. Hurray on point Nov 2014 #2
Will the judge reduce the award? 47of74 Nov 2014 #3
The only thing it will deter jamzrockz Nov 2014 #8
Too large to charge? Orrex Nov 2014 #12
Are you seriously jamzrockz Nov 2014 #14
scapepgoats? you seem to forget they were potentially discriminating against every woman under 50 bettyellen Nov 2014 #20
It was testimony like this that did them in: Wella Nov 2014 #27
62 mil for 2 weeks work AngryAmish Nov 2014 #4
no. that's not what it's for. cali Nov 2014 #5
I am talking about the lawyer. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #6
learn to math n/t leeroysphitz Nov 2014 #7
Derp! nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2014 #18
You'll see less young women managing AutoZone stores now davidn3600 Nov 2014 #9
why? how would you know? how many women now manage AZ stores? cali Nov 2014 #10
Because I know how executives think. I've seen how the corporate world reacts. davidn3600 Nov 2014 #11
You've actually made several compelling arguments in favor of that practice. Orrex Nov 2014 #13
My intent was to explain thinking from the way corporate executives and HR traditionally think davidn3600 Nov 2014 #15
I know--those are the exact arguments that they would make. Orrex Nov 2014 #19
don't hold your breath asking them to refute discrimination against women. bettyellen Nov 2014 #22
That's why it should be against the law for them to do that laundry_queen Nov 2014 #21
So tolerate discrimination or we will fire all of you malaise Nov 2014 #31
Every AZ store has several assistant managers. They are also required from time to time to fill B Calm Nov 2014 #33
I drove a semi for AZ for ten years and made deliveries to stores. Here in the midwest B Calm Nov 2014 #32
$185 million in punitive damages is ridiculous. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #16
No way she'll get anything close to that davidn3600 Nov 2014 #17
I bet a few people here find it infuriating, LOL. bettyellen Nov 2014 #23
Part of that is because of this testimony: Wella Nov 2014 #26
Of course they intend to appeal, that is $185 million dollars. Rex Nov 2014 #24
The woman woukd have been better off if the Jenoch Nov 2014 #25
How so? Wella Nov 2014 #28
The judge can choose to reduce the punitive damages to zero. Jenoch Nov 2014 #29
The issue is larger than this one woman; apparently there was a company-wide attitude towards women Wella Nov 2014 #30
 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
8. The only thing it will deter
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:23 AM
Nov 2014

is companies like this not ever hiring women who are at child bearing age. This amount is just silly. Do you want to push them or drive them out of business?

Orrex

(63,191 posts)
12. Too large to charge?
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:06 PM
Nov 2014

That's a great idea--corporations should be protected from appropriately huge settlements against them!

It's about time the legal system was put to work for the wealthy and powerful. Why didn't we try this before?

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
14. Are you seriously
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:10 PM
Nov 2014

trying to tell me $182 is a fair amount for the crime? also do you think the justice system should make scapegoats out of individuals to deter others from committing the same crime?

Sorry, but 2 wrongs doesn't make a right. The massive amount will only send the wrong signals to companies.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. scapepgoats? you seem to forget they were potentially discriminating against every woman under 50
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:29 PM
Nov 2014

that worked for them. That shit is very serious. Money talks.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
27. It was testimony like this that did them in:
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:51 PM
Nov 2014
http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-jury-awards-woman-186-million-bias-013421925--finance.html

At trial, a former district manager testified that an AutoZone vice president berated him for having so many women in management positions, saying: "What are we running here, a boutique? Get rid of those women."



In other words, there was a pattern of gender discrimination that goes back to the corporate headquarters. The jury wanted to send a message to the corporation about its general attitude towards women working at their stores, hence the large award. The company will appeal and probably get it reduced, but the company still needs to be on notice.
 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
6. I am talking about the lawyer.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:18 AM
Nov 2014

When you become a lawyer you learn to divide by three pretty quick.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. why? how would you know? how many women now manage AZ stores?
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:32 PM
Nov 2014

Do you think there should be no redress for discrimination?

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
11. Because I know how executives think. I've seen how the corporate world reacts.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:55 PM
Nov 2014

Their solution will be to just avoid the entire thing next time.

Why do you think HR departments dont like hiring women of child-bearing age to management positions? That's been an issue for decades. And there are issues involved that go beyond corporate attitudes. When a pregnant woman in a management position takes time off, the company has to train someone to take the spot. What happens when the woman comes back is that new person may have grown into that job, so that causes psychological tension when they get demoted. It can also cause tension with the workforce who may like the new person better. Corporate may also like the new person better if their productivity and numbers are better which then can lead to bias against the woman coming back.

This is not new. This has been an issue for a long time.

Orrex

(63,191 posts)
13. You've actually made several compelling arguments in favor of that practice.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:09 PM
Nov 2014

Was that your intent?

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
15. My intent was to explain thinking from the way corporate executives and HR traditionally think
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:12 PM
Nov 2014

That is how THEY view the situation.

Orrex

(63,191 posts)
19. I know--those are the exact arguments that they would make.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:26 PM
Nov 2014

I don't endorse them, but I would be interested to hear how you refute them.

If, as you note, the employment of a pregnant woman does indeed represent real financial risk and the possibility of future personnel conflict, what would be your argument to dissuade corporations from the practice of selective hiring?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. don't hold your breath asking them to refute discrimination against women.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:31 PM
Nov 2014

ain't going to happen.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
21. That's why it should be against the law for them to do that
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:30 PM
Nov 2014

And why court wins like this are important. It's a deterrent for companies to discriminate.

malaise

(268,854 posts)
31. So tolerate discrimination or we will fire all of you
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:06 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Nice choice - NOT

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
33. Every AZ store has several assistant managers. They are also required from time to time to fill
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:11 PM
Nov 2014

in at different stores.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
32. I drove a semi for AZ for ten years and made deliveries to stores. Here in the midwest
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:07 PM
Nov 2014

I know of only 4 women who were store managers out of thousands of stores. There might be more now, I haven't worked there since 2003.

Store workers (including managers) made low wages. They were amazed when I told them how much I was making. I even helped a few of them to get their CDL.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
17. No way she'll get anything close to that
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:18 PM
Nov 2014

The Supreme Court has basically put limits on cases like that. Usually punitive damages can't exceed 9 to 1 of the actual damages awarded. Which means the total award would be around $7 million. But AutoZone already said they are going to appeal.

There is also a bit of an issue of a juror caught hugging the plaintiff in the courtroom.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. I bet a few people here find it infuriating, LOL.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:32 PM
Nov 2014

They hate anyone proving that discrimination against women still occurs. Apparently it ended overnight years ago, ha ha.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
26. Part of that is because of this testimony:
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:48 PM
Nov 2014

http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-jury-awards-woman-186-million-bias-013421925--finance.html
At trial, a former district manager testified that an AutoZone vice president berated him for having so many women in management positions, saying: "What are we running here, a boutique? Get rid of those women."


In other words, it's not just about one woman but about the corporate headquarters' propensity for gender discrimination across the board. It sounds like the woman's pregnancy was an excuse for this particular store to get rid of a female worker. It sounds like the jury wanted to send a message to the corporate headquarters.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Of course they intend to appeal, that is $185 million dollars.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:34 PM
Nov 2014

It's not like a group of investment bankers who can lose 24 billion dollars and still rake in a record profit. I bet autozone is shitting their collective pants right about now.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
25. The woman woukd have been better off if the
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:43 PM
Nov 2014

jury had not awarded her such a ridiculous amount.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
30. The issue is larger than this one woman; apparently there was a company-wide attitude towards women
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:01 PM
Nov 2014
http://news.yahoo.com/san-diego-jury-awards-woman-186-million-bias-013421925--finance.html

At trial, a former district manager testified that an AutoZone vice president berated him for having so many women in management positions, saying: "What are we running here, a boutique? Get rid of those women."


I have a feeling that this is where the punitive damages come from. It's not about justice for the worker but a message to the corporation. The judge will need to take that into consideration. No doubt, the amount will be reduced, but Auto Zone is a big corporation and it takes big money to make them sit up and take notice.

As for the woman, I don't know how much she'll end up with after the lawyers take their share.
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