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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:44 PM Nov 2014

US Air force Academy should be relocated, cadets and staff are being placed at risk.

Utah has disproportionately high rates of suicide and associated mood disorders compared to the rest of the country. In fact, it's the No. 1 state for antidepressant use. These polarized feelings of despondency and delight underlie a confusing phenomenon that Perry Renshaw, a neuroscientist at the University of Utah investigating the strange juxtaposition, calls the "Utah paradox."

Utah residents and experts are aware of the paradox, often attributing gun use, low population density and the area's heavy Mormon influence as potential factors. But Renshaw thinks he's identified a more likely cause for the Utah blues: altitude.

And Renshaw also learned that the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colorado, which sits 7,000 feet above sea level, struggled to hold on to out-of-state professors, who often left after a few months because they felt off, physically and mentally. Out-of-state students from low-altitude areas also fared worse academically than their in-state counterparts.

Renshaw himself undertook an informal study of researchers who moved to Utah from coastal areas and found that around 35% experienced new, often pronounced, symptoms of anxiety and depression.

Link:

http://mic.com/articles/104096/there-s-a-suicide-epidemic-in-utah-and-one-neuroscientist-thinks-he-knows-why

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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
4. Maybe that's why the Officers who hold the missile launch keys are being
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:50 PM
Nov 2014

busted for cheating and forging reports and flying 6 live nukes to LA and not guarding them for 48hrs.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
12. as long as they don't lose the wrench to tighten the warheads.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:38 AM
Nov 2014

They don't even trust their own clown asses to fly the wrench around. They use Fed Ex.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
7. They have eons living at altitude, US Air Force Academy about 40yrs and they
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:54 PM
Nov 2014

have always lagged West Point or Annapolis.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. High altitude seems like a good place for the AF academy, no?
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:51 PM
Nov 2014

If it leads to altitude wash-outs, that's a feature, not a bug, I would think?

 

Raul Hernandez

(78 posts)
8. I live here in Colorado... and I agree that AFA needs to be moved.. probably Idaho or something..
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:58 PM
Nov 2014

just keep the god-damn conservatives out of my state.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
10. The article is discussing
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:09 AM
Nov 2014

the potential effect of altitude on mood. Exactly three sentences relate to the USAF Academy. Everything else is talking about Utah. There is no link to Renshaw's research, so no way to know if he looked at other high-altitude Colorado colleges and universities (and there are at least two at higher altitudes than the Academy) to see if they had similar attrition rates for faculty.

Why post this with a misleading headline when it has little to nothing to do with the AF Academy? A suicide epidemic in Utah is certainly troubling - but Utah is not Colorado and BYU is not the Academy.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
13. That's how science helps when solving one problem you find another. IMO,
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 01:40 AM
Nov 2014

if you see a problem take corrective action.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
17. I don't disagree with your
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 11:41 AM
Nov 2014

assessment in general - but I think you're overstating the relevance in this case. IMO, of course.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
11. That's a shame, because that state is beautiful.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:12 AM
Nov 2014

Granted, to a coastal weenie like me, the hiking was a challenge. Hiking at 9000 feet really does leave you breathless on those ascents.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
14. By that logic, everything and everyone should move from Colorado. Foolishness.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 03:05 AM
Nov 2014

Funny story.......at least I thought it was funny at the time.

I stood up for my childhood best friend's wedding in the gorgeous USAFA chapel on the day her fiancé graduated. Lots of USAFA weddings that day.......but I digress. About 15 minutes into the ceremony, I saw a hand in a yellow glove float into my peripheral sight field from the left and as I turned to see why, I saw the groom's 16 year old kid sister go down.......out cold.......the altitude and all. The bridesmaid on the other side of her and I dropped our bouquets and each grabbed an arm and just barely managed to keep her from falling backward down the steps we were standing on. She was only out for a minute and just as her father reached where we were to attend to her, she opened her eyes, looked around, saw where she was and said "Oh SHIT!! I didn't know I fell down! SHIT!!"

We have never let her forget it.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
16. It may be great for skiing with a rocky mt high but in an academic environment training to
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 09:04 AM
Nov 2014

save the world, I think we could find a better place without the medical hazards.

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