The torture report saga is a disgrace

[noise]

CIA take:

1)Torture was effective.

2)All they care about is the safety of their personnel and protecting national security.

3)The Senate report is unfair.

What is the basis of CIA credibility? If they really cared about their agents they wouldn't order them to implement a torture program in the first place.

How does subverting the rule of law, the Geneva Conventions and human decency contribute to national security? How do false confessions to imaginary crimes help to prevent terrorist attacks?

Unfair? The CIA is leading the redaction process on a report that details criminal conduct on the part of CIA officials and agents.

[billhicks76]

1. Rape

The reason they are suppressing it is because suspects children were raped in front of them to get information. No one will ever look at us the same. Let the truth out.

[Scuba]

2. This, or similar atrocities, could very well be the reason the administration won't release ...

... the report.

Let the light shine on our wrongdoings, so we may correct them and move forward.

[polly7]

4. This, for me, was the absolute worst part of it all.

I remember hearing stories of the screams and horror. It was beyond evil, and you're right, no-one who knows about it will ever trust the 'official' reporting of any torture report that's released without it.

[woo me with science]

5. +100000

Truth and acknowledgement are the only way to ever begin to rebuild any moral center for this nation whatsoever.

[Octafish]

9. What billhicks76 said.

Photos, too. Smile big for the camera, kids.

[90-percent]

3. Even more disgrace

John Kiriakou is the only person in our government held to account for America's official policy of torture. He is serving time in jail not for committing torture, but for blowing the whistle on it.

http://www.defendjohnk.com/wordpress/

Our government has become Stalinesque in the treatment of whistle blowers. Certainly a peculiar way for the country that professes to be "The land of the free and the home of the brave" to act, isn't it?

We used to have a lot more honorable people in our government and institutions. They have been replaced by "treacherous cretins", which also happens to be the title of a Zappa song.

America fought World Wars to preserve and defend our way of life. Our official policy of torture shames and dishonors the service of everybody that ever served in our military all the way back to the Revolutionary War. We now stand merely for base stupidity and ignorance and flat out meanness. Might makes right.

-90% Jimmy

[KingCharlemagne]

8. Interesting little historical note re: The Revolutionary War. I read in one

of the histories of the time that, when Hessian mercenaries were captured by the revolutionary forces, Washington and his command staff insisted that those captured be treated humanely, i.e., not tortured or put to death. This despite the fact that the British would have put any of the signers of our Declaration of Independence to death were they captured. (Popular expressions of vigilante justice did exist on both sides, as evidenced by the phenomeon of 'tarring and feathering'.) But I've always thought of Washington a bit more highly for that fundamental nod in the direction of humanity and away from the ways of the past. Apparently, many of the Hessians chose to stay here after Yorktown and make their futures here, rather than return to war-torn and hidebound Europe.

[nilesobek]

6. They are getting off scot free.

They tortured people, they destroyed evidence, they've committed more crimes than many people already in jail. They cannot even prove that torture even saved a single innocent life.

What I would really like to know is exactly who is the sick minded sadist who came up with the torture ideas.

[Rex]

12. Donald Rumsfeld.

I read that he even sat in on some of the torture sessions.

[noise]

15. The deference shown to US officials is sickening

They are making asses out of themselves and disgracing every citizen in the country.

There was no good faith. That was a Bush administration lie. There is no such thing as a good faith torture program. Zero Dark Thirty was CIA bullshit propaganda.

A country does not learn from mistakes when the government abuses national security classification to conceal information. A watered down executive summary is not a credible effort to account for a torture program. Especially when the report leaves out the role of the Bush White House which colluded with the CIA.

[rusty fender]

10. C.I.A.--Criminal I Am

has been out of control from its inception. I've believed, going on 35 years now, that it has to be dismantled and that its secrets made public.

[woo me with science]

11. kick

[Octafish]

13. Read CIA would allow only 15-percent of it through.

Imagine reading the life and works of Marquis de Sade with 85-percent redacted.

And some wonder, "Who calls the shots?"

[kentuck]

14. Is anyone really surprised by this??

What kind of naive minds would think the CIA would do otherwise??