Does anyone besides me think that those Secret Service agents

[silvershadow]

specifically made sure it was egregious enough they would get taken off the detail? I mean, call me a conspiracy theorist, but that's what I think. So they made sure to get "caught"...oh, my bad...take my lumps. Why? Well, for one thing, it is an election year. For another, I don't exactly see the trip to Colombia being a welcome thing for them. Especially for some of the most right wing of them. Also, what if they know something? Or else it is in someone's plan? Sorry, but I saw JFK and it sickened me, and from then to the present day there is only one family alive that has "seen it all" so to speak. Thoughts? Comments?

[cherokeeprogressive]

1. I think your theory is akin to a squirrel having sex with the fruit of an oak tree.

That is to say... fucking nuts.

It's impossible for me to wrap my mind around the notion that a group of agents would conspire in such a way as to agree that one of them would deny a Colombian "escort" (her words) the money she had "earned" in the morning when she had to leave and expected to be paid.

Who got the job of fucking a call-girl, stiffing her for her money, and the initial spotlight? The poor soul who drew the short straw on the plane down to Colombia?

You saw JFK? Excellent fiction that was.

[silvershadow]

4. I didn't mean to imply that JFK was either truth or fiction...

I just meant that I saw it and it got my creative mind wondering. Besides, ultimately, the fact that someone got to JFK is a tragic fact. I'm just worried with all the heated rhetoric coming from the other side. I hear it and see it from some really nutty right wingers on my FB page and I really worry. And now the Nugent thing is just another dog-whistle to a "lone-wolf" or whatever the analogy is.

[silvershadow]

17. perhaps. I'm not actually defending the actual merits of JFK...

sorry if I left that impression here. I just know that Octafish and others somewhere here had some pretty impressive stuff...not sure where that all ended up, nor to I wish to open that up. I was using it more as a reference to my own creative mind...as a what if? moment.

[COLGATE4]

27. K&R. My God, it reads like something from FR.

[chollybocker]

2. No.

Secret Service = Johns has been par for the course since 192....

Except this time, some jerk screwed up big time and wound up spilling the beans on everything. The SS hates him now; his and a few other heads will roll, but happily, the hooker will persevere and meet her future husband on Dancing With the Stars.

[RZM]

3. There is an entire group here for this sort of 'creative speculation'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1135

I think that is a more appropriate place for this OP.

[silvershadow]

6. Thank you. You did me a service.

I hardly post here anymore due to complications from MS lesions in my brain and spinal cord. I have terrible cognitive impairment, especially as it relates to things changing/finding things. This group I wasn't aware of, but very cool, and exactly the kind of place I'd like to hang out in.

[RZM]

9. Sorry to hear that

I'm actually a subscriber to the CS group and I think it could use more OPs and traffic so that was the main reason I suggested a repost there

[silvershadow]

10. Just reposted there, though with a new title...

and, thanks again!

[BeyondGeography]

5. Don't complicate things

Men's motives aren't that mysterious.

[cynatnite]

7. This does more damage to themselves and their careers than anyone else...

I think there was a bit of hubris on their parts.

[X_Digger]

8. Hanlon's Razor..

"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."

[kestrel91316]

11. The Secret Service members who were involved are probably

RWers who see no reason to actually protect that uppity black man and were just going through the motions.

Better that they are gone. I hope they are fired - this wasn't a personal vacation, and I assume they are technically on duty 24/7.

[silvershadow]

12. that's exactly the type I am referring to

they're probably sick of it. And I agree that they would be on duty 24/7 while out of the country, so why were they doing anything untoward in another country?

[Justice wanted]

13. It may be interesting to play with... How about these questions... do Secret Service agents vote?

We basically see how polarizing politics can be lately. Are they allow to be political... Remember they have to protect the candidate if he/she is Democrat or Republican.


BUT would an Agent risk his career to make a Democratic president look bad?

[phylny]

30. We personally know a former secret service agent.

In fact, he was very, very high up and was a former president's number one agent. We attended a party at his house and I looked around and said, "'Jim', I'm the only Democrat here, aren't I?" He laughed and said, "Probably yes."

So, not only do they vote, they vote Republican. Having said that, I think most of them have pride enough in their work to protect the president, regardless of party.

He did say that Clinton was a pain in the ass because he was always wanting to go into a store or some other place on a whim.

[Rowdyboy]

14. They've destroyed their careers and earned the hatred of their colleagues because they've made

everyones job much harder. Sorry, but even for a conspiracy theory thats a pretty irrational conspiracy theory.

[CatWoman]

26. Hi Rowdy

The only reason I'm glad I clicked on this thread is seeing you.

[Control-Z]

28. They are an irrational group -

today's conservatives.

[npk]

15. Considering that one has already been fired and more possible firings on the way

I wouldn't think they set out to get caught. I think they thought that nobody would care, which is a bigger problem. There seems to a lack of professionalism with a lot of these agents. They don't seem to have nearly as much respect for protecting the President as I would expect. It takes a lot of working and extensive background checks that can take well over a year to go through the whole process. I don't know anyone who would risk being fired after all that, just to get off a detail. But then again I could be wrong.

[silvershadow]

16. I wonder if that has to do with moving them from Treasury to HS? eom

[Iggo]

18. Nope. Just you.

[silvershadow]

20. :)

[JI7]

19. no, most likely they have done this before and got away with it, they would have got away if not for

the angry prostitute who felt she didn't get paid how much she should.

and this was discussed on tv a couple days ago and they said the quality of the secret service had gone down since the whole homeland security and other changes. some of the better people got moved to other areas .

[Tom Ripley]

21. I think they were there to play "Tug on my earpiece...hard!" and "Call me Mister Youngblood,

you dirty dirty girl!"

Just freaks

[Odin2005]

22. LMAO!!!

[Cleita]

23. No. This will end their careers and their marriages.

SS agents know when they sign up that their job is to take a bullet for the President. So they were being stupid. That's all.

[cthulu2016]

24. I assume and hope it is just you thinking that

[silvershadow]

25. I'm just so paranoid about the deep resentments of that side...

I am always worried for and praying for this president, who has been transformative. I hope it is just me worrying too much. But, it is not without valid reason. There are bad actors who would do harmful things. Look at what happened to Gabby Giffords. Supposed lone wolf. Oswald. Supposed lone wolf. Now Nugent does his thing, worse than Rush imho, and puts out the lone wolf call to all who will see at his little forum, and of course the media publicizes it far and wide as I suppose they must, but it gets out to all kinds of people. Dad told me more than once "just remember son, they're not *all locked up.

[TexasProgresive]

29. I think you might be.

There actions are more likely self-serving and built on an arrogance that we are too smart to get caught. With their clearances lost they have limited employment opportunities and those who are married have screwed up their marriages. This is a case of "stupid is as stupid does."