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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 01:36 PM Nov 2014

NJ Hikers were warned to leave but instead snapped pictures of bear before fatal attack



Patel and four of his friends had begun walking into the preserve that afternoon when they were met by a man and a woman coming the other way. The pair warned the larger group about a bear following them. The couple walked away, leaving the group of five to talk about what they were going to do. They eventually walked farther into the woods.

The five pictures taken from Patel’s phone show the bear from approximately 100 feet, looking toward the hikers but still behind a fallen log, authorities said.

The hikers turned around when the bear kept approaching, authorities said. But the bear caught up with them, eventually closing to within 15 feet, investigators said. When the bear reached that proximity, the group split up running in different directions, they later told police investigators.

Patel at one point lost his shoe, and was last seen climbing a rock formation as he hollered for his friends to continue, with the bear right behind him. The group of four fled the woods and called 911, according to police records. Emergency responders came upon Patel’s body about four hours later. The bear was in the area, authorities said. Eventually, a police officer shot and killed the bear.

Read more: http://www.nj.com/passaic-county/index.ssf/2014/11/hiker_snapped_pictures_of_bear_before_fatal_attack_in_west_milford.html
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NJ Hikers were warned to leave but instead snapped pictures of bear before fatal attack (Original Post) apples and oranges Nov 2014 OP
bears wolves, etc not going to leave you alone if you leave them alone hollysmom Nov 2014 #1
Most of them will sarisataka Nov 2014 #3
I have run into bears numerous times and I was even charged by one in Colorado. Quixote1818 Nov 2014 #9
I never hearrd the monotone thing hollysmom Nov 2014 #10
Here is one link Quixote1818 Nov 2014 #13
Ok, but ya gotta admit that hollysmom's response was pretty funny. PotatoChip Nov 2014 #21
Thanks for a much-needed laugh. nruthie Nov 2014 #22
I'm sad for the human, and sad for the bear. cyberswede Nov 2014 #2
Yeah, it would be different if humans were an endangered species. closeupready Nov 2014 #4
I was reading about this last week, definitely a predatory black bear. uppityperson Nov 2014 #5
On vacation in Canada long time ago, I took my teenage son and his best friend B Calm Nov 2014 #6
Why shoot the bear? Beaverhausen Nov 2014 #7
I agree. City Lights Nov 2014 #8
The cop needed to teach that uppity bear a lesson. Quantess Nov 2014 #11
you meet crazy people on the trail all the time. ileus Nov 2014 #14
Because once they learn humans are food, they don't forget. n/t Yo_Mama Nov 2014 #16
They believe UglyGreed Nov 2014 #19
A great reason never to hike without a psd. ileus Nov 2014 #12
They were warned by a couple UglyGreed Nov 2014 #15
never run. prey runs. pansypoo53219 Nov 2014 #17
Exactly. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #18
Standing still is not an opinion either UglyGreed Nov 2014 #20

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
1. bears wolves, etc not going to leave you alone if you leave them alone
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 01:43 PM
Nov 2014

I think there are too many friendly animal movies and people are not smart enough to know better.

sarisataka

(18,627 posts)
3. Most of them will
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:08 PM
Nov 2014

Especially if you don't approach them. Yet it is important to remember no wild animal is "friendly"

It would have been better to stand as a group; 5 people are larger than a bear. Size and noise shows dominance. Fleeing in all directions is what prey does.

Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
9. I have run into bears numerous times and I was even charged by one in Colorado.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:45 PM
Nov 2014

It was really strange. I think it might have thought I was some other kind of animal. I did what I had read you should do, stood my ground and put my arms up high in the air and started to wave them speaking in a monotone voice to let it know I was human. The bear veered off and left. Had I turned and run his chase instinct would have kicked in. They don't want to mess with something their size that is not afraid of them and by showing no fear you make them pause. You can watch even very small animals stand their ground against bears and the bear back off.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
4. Yeah, it would be different if humans were an endangered species.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:13 PM
Nov 2014

But to the contrary, bears face humans as an existential threat every day. That doesn't mean I support bears killing people, but I'm sad that a bear was put down because he was being a bear, and also sad that a person lost their life.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
5. I was reading about this last week, definitely a predatory black bear.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:13 PM
Nov 2014

It is too bad they decided to continue and too bad they split up because as a group they'd have a better chance of fighting it off. Sometimes black bears turn to people to eat which is really too bad for all involved. Sometimes it is due to lack of food, sometimes habituation to people, other times there is no known reason, just a predatory animal and an easy food source.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
6. On vacation in Canada long time ago, I took my teenage son and his best friend
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:26 PM
Nov 2014

to the local landfill one evening to watch the black bears feeding. Sitting on top of the landfill and looking down, we watched six or seven bears tearing into the garbage. The largest bear in the group would stop every now and then and just stare at us. Eventually he just wandered back into the woods. About 10 minutes later my son tapped my shoulder and pointed. That bear that wandered into the woods was now standing on his hind legs on top of the landfill approx 30 yards away and staring at us. The three of us were terrified, but we slowly stood up and walked backwards out of the landfill to the safety of my pickup with him following us.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
7. Why shoot the bear?
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:37 PM
Nov 2014

Jesus that is ridiculous. They were warned and made a tragic choice to keep going in. That bear should still be alive.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
11. The cop needed to teach that uppity bear a lesson.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:59 PM
Nov 2014

That bear had a lot of nerve! Time for vengeance.

(Sarcastic)

ileus

(15,396 posts)
14. you meet crazy people on the trail all the time.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 03:05 PM
Nov 2014

With tales of rattlesnakes or bears or simple loose rock warnings all the time. We smile and politely say thanks and keep hiking...

(The AT is 1/4 mile from our home.)

ileus

(15,396 posts)
12. A great reason never to hike without a psd.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 03:03 PM
Nov 2014

Right now I typically carry a 19+1 of 9mm, sidearm but hope to upgrade to a 10mm before next season.


Of course I've seen probably 100 bears in the wild and never had one that didn't head for the hills, but better safe than a bear chew toy.

I've only seen three this year while in the woods...None while actually bear hunting.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
18. Exactly.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:02 PM
Nov 2014

It is a person's first instinct to run, but not a good one. The best one is to not run. Running just triggers a chasing instinct in the bear.

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