My Trayvon/Zimmerman theory...

[matmar]

We know by the 911 recordings that Zimmerman was stalking Martin. We also know that Zimmerman tended to be hostile to African-Americans due to his reference to "fucking coons" on the 911 recording. We know Zimmerman was told to stand down by the 911/police dispatcher. Zimmerman disregarded that instruction.

Martin on the other hand knew he was being stalked, as disclosed by the female friend he was conversing with on the phone at the time.

Zimmerman pursued Martin and confronted him. A struggle ensued instigated by one of the two.

With the release of the new bloody photo of Zimmerman, I believe Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked and he shot Martin dead.

The screams for "help"--

The screams for "help" may have been Trayvon Martin. After Zimmerman realized he was going to lose the fistfight he may have pulled his gun and that is when Trayvon started screaming for help realizing his dire situation at that point.

The screams for help may have been Zimmerman. In the process of getting beat up, Zimmerman may have been screaming for help.

[DCKit]

1. That's two theories. Opposite theories, too boot. nt

[uponit7771]

2. It's already been posted that it's 98% chance it's not ZMan screaming after forensics done by sound

....the law still allows Zman to kill TMartin even after he call no dice during an altercation ZMan started.

The law is extremely vague on WHEN someone has a duty to flee after mutual combat ensues...

Its a horrible law

[dkf]

9. It's a 48% chance it was Zimmerman.

"The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.
"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare."

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?&pageType=general&catid=57407964&feed_id=999&videofeed=999&nb_splitPage=2

[shraby]

10. the 48% is because they are both male voices.

[dkf]

14. Geez that doesn't sound like a very good gauge.

Just saying I haven't seen a 98% probability presented.

[shraby]

18. The 98% is that it ISN'T Zimmerman. I saw it with the comments by the analyst.

[Quixote1818]

19. That is correct. nt

[dkf]

20. Link?

[Quixote1818]

23. Go to the 1:30 mark on this video

After a few seconds he says the voice comes back with a 99% certainty that isn't not Zimmerman's.

[dkf]

25. That is the reporter trying to explain what the expert says.

I found this on the 99% probability but I don't know what it meas exactly.

"The controversial killing of teenager Trayvon Martin by neighborhood watch member George Zimmerman has become a national flashpoint for discussions of race and violence. Technology has now entered into the narrative, after an expert in biometric voice analysis said the screams on the 911 most likely did not belong to Zimmerman.

The test was conducted by Tom Owen, of Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, who was contacted by the Orlando Sentinel. Owen used a software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman’s voice to the 911 call screams. ”I’ve run it against 300 voices and it was better than 99 percent in all cases,” Owen told MSNBC.

When Owen ran Zimmerman’s voice against the scream on the 911 call he got a 48 percent match. He would have expected a more than 90 percent match if the voice was Zimmerman’s, as the audio on the call is quite good. Owen said he couldn’t compare the screams to Trayvon Martin’s voice, as he did not have an audio sample of the teenager."

http://venturebeat.com/2012/04/02/biometric-voice-analysis-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-screams-911/

[Quixote1818]

24. I am sorry but you are dead wrong! It's 99% not 98%!

[Solomon]

3. What could make a straight line cut like that?

Zimmerman should get a job doing professional wrestling. They use razor blades like that all the time.

[crazylikafox]

6. Running thru the bushes when he was chasing Travon

That's what it looks like to be. There's no bruising, which would have been apparent if it had been the sidewalk.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

12. You are NOT seeing a "straightline cut" --

What you are seeing is a vertical blood trail. As I mentioned in another thread, I did make-up for film and had to recreate head injuries. The blood trails show he had his head face down at some point while he was bleeding and the trail followed gravity and ran towards his ear. The two small wound origins are quite clear.

[dkf]

15. Interesting. So he could have been on top after getting his head smashed.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

17. Yes.

At the every least, two neighbors saw Zimmerman straddling Trayvon's body with his hand on his back -- that would mean his head was facing towards the ground and the blood flow followed. He very well could have been onto of Trayvon prior to what the witnesses saw.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. My theory ...

Is similar to your's, except in one respect.

As you state, we know by the 911 recordings that Zimmerman was stalking Martin; but for the purpose of trial, it really doesn't matter whether zimmerman held any particular feelings toward Black folk ... he has not been charged with a hate crime.

The fact that the dispatcher told zimmerman that they did not need him to follow Martin can be used in airing the case before the jury ... "Would a reasonable person take that statement to mean 'don't follow Martin?'."

But a most reasonable explanation came out yesterday. An un-named family friend reported that she believed what she was told by the family, immediately after the killing ... that "it was self-defense ... the gun went off when Martin attempted to wrestle the gun from [zimmerman]." {or words to that effect}

This would suggest that zimmerman followed/stalked Martin and when he caught up to Martin him drew his weapon ... probably to hold Martin captive until the police arrived. Martin, then, did what anyone would do when confronted by an armed stranger, defended himself.

zimmerman had not right to draw a weapon on anyone engaged in lawful conduct, even if he suspected that the person had committed a crime, much less, based on his opinion that the person was acting "suspicious" and "probably on drugs."

IMHO, zimmerman was properly charged and cannot legitimately assert SYG or self-defense, both of which are premised on the shooter being the non-aggressor.

[WingDinger]

7. Further, pulling that gun would be a crime. thus, even if T was mistakenly shot

Z is responsible, in the same way as a cop killing an innocent in a high speed chase, is charged against the fleeing suspect.

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. Absolutely ...

I defendant is responsible for anything that foreseeably flows from their unlawful actions.

Following someone that is not involved in crime conduct, then pulling a gun, even if to hold that person captive until the police arrive, on someone not involved in crime conduct, is on its face unlawful conduct.

And, it is completely foreseeable that your unlawful conduct (armed detention of someone not involved in criminal conduct) might result in your having to use that gun ... even if your firing the shot is to defend yourself from being attacked.

[joe1991]

5. a scuffle, not an ass whipping.

These wounds look more like scratches, perhaps by Trayvon's fingernail, brushes, or a rub against rocks/pavement simiar to a skinned knee.

If the paramedics on scene had thought Zimmy had had his banged against the sidewalk, they would have insisted on taking him to the hospital. When you bang your head, you usually get a "goose egg" (swelling) immediately. If you don't, the worry is that the swelling will happen internally.

We know that the paramedics, who are usually overcautious, didn't even apply a single bandaid, much less insist he be taken to a hospital for observation/treatment.

It will be very interesting to get their testimony. It appears they probably wiped away a few drops of blood that didn't even get down to his shirt, and rubbed or sprayed a topical antibiotic.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. One acronym. AMA. When I see one produced

But we haven't. You are right, medics are I've cautious.

So we got a bloodied zimmy.

[librechik]

13. somebody with a gun doesn't have to call for help--

he pulls the gun and shoots

[noiretextatique]

16. logic escapes the racist brain

black male = automatic threat. it doesn't matter if he has skittles or a cell phone or a wallet, the racist will assume he is criminal.

[Life Long Dem]

21. Racism Vs. Stereotyping

Difference Between racism and Stereotyping

Racism and stereotyping are quite different from each other. The biggest difference between these is that the racism is unlawful, while the stereotype is even harmful to society, but not punishable.

Stereotyping can be a characteristic of an individual. A person can belong to any religion, nation or race. Racism pertains to origin of a person, his nationality or his group. General characteristics or behaviors are not included in the definition of Racism

Racism

Before 1930, the word was not into much use. It’s about the fact that people think that the functions of different individuals or groups are determined by genetic makeup. This results in a specific genetic race or nationality or ethnic origin and belief that one race is somehow better than the other. This idea or concept or belief that one race is superior to the other is the root of racism. It applies generally, oppression, prejudice, hate or discrimination against a group of people.

In practice, racism, that causes some effects on society are known as racial discrimination. UN considers the racial and ethnic discrimination at the same level. There are many forms of racial discrimination, including institutional racism and economic racism.

Institutional racism refers to the benefits, rights and preferential treatment of a particular race or denial of it to another.

Economic racism refers to the economic benefits of a particular race or the economic benefits declined to a certain race

Stereotyping :.

The word “stereotype” was first used in 1798. Firmin Didot was the person who invented this word and used it for printing. It refers to a print copy of something original in the world of printing.

Stereotyping refers to the belief entertained by the people of a certain type, or a belief in a social group. It is based on certain assumptions that were made for many years and still exist. In simple language, it can be explained as an imprint in the mind of a person or a group of people over another person or group of persons. The reason for stereotyping is a lack of knowledge of the other

Summary :.

1.Racism is based on religion, ethnicity and nationality of a person or group. Stereotyping is based on an idea that is believed by a set of people for another group or a person, regardless of their origin.

2.Racism is illegal, stereotypes are not punishable, even if it has serious consequences.

http://vspages.com/racism-vs-stereotyping-7265/

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120104033624AAtSzYw

Not to reflect on the original OP. Just thought this was interesting after reading another post.

I think your right. And if they have witnesses saying it was Trayvon screaming, then I wish Zimmerman luck.

[Quixote1818]

22. I think it's very plausible that both yelled for help but at different times in the struggle

Two witnesses clearly saw someone on top in white beating up the other guy early on. Witness John said "the guy on the bottom yelled out to me for help". At this point John and the other witness go inside and locked their doors and the tide of the fight seems to shift to a Zimmerman advantage. My guess is that Martin saw the gun and this is when we really hear him start screaming for help, again this is long after John has gone inside. Martin screams for help realizing this is now a life and death situation. Zimmerman breaks free and shoots.

I see this as man slaughter because with Martin screaming for his life he is clearly signaling he no longer has the upper hand. Zimmerman had a moral obligation to find restraint but instead he fired.

[shimonitanegi]

26. My take

Zimmerman was so frustrated and angered by Martin walking around his neighborhood that he just wanted to do something with this asshole, fucking punk. He didn't know if Martin had a gun or not, but he didn't care because he had a loaded gun. He just snapped out of his murderous anger. When he snaps, he snaps.