OMFG: "Fake" Josie Account of Michael Brown Killing Matches Wilson Testimony!!!

[IdaBriggs]

Media Punked by Fake 'Josie' Account of Michael Brown Shooting http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/media-punked-fake-josie-account-michael

The story was exactly what you would expect it to be. Michael Brown was the aggressor; Wilson was the victim. Brown rushed Wilson and he had no choice but to shoot. And so on.

As it turns out, that story was lifted from a fake Facebook page. Little Green Footballs reports that Jill Meadows posted this on Facebook on August 15th:

Darren Wilson is innocent. He shot and killed Michael in self defense. When he tried to get out of his car they slammed the car door back closed with their bodies. Upon exiting his vehicle, he was bum rushed by Michael Brown into the front seat of his car, punched in his face a few times and then fought Michael over posession of his gun. During the struggle, his gun went off and then the 280 pound, 6'3" "child" took off with his friend. When the officer got out of his car and drew his gun and yelled freeze you're under arrest, Michael turned, taunting him, yelling from about 35 feet away, "what, you gonna shoot me?" and then abruptly charged the officer again. The officer unloaded on the huge YOUNG adult as he continued storming towards him until finally, he was able to stop him by shooting him in the head right when he was almost to him and his weapon. Imagine the adrenaline pumping after almost being shot in his police car and then this same large guy is sprinting at you. He thought that Michael must have been on something the way he just kept coming despite being shot many times. Hopefully, toxicology will confirm this suspicion. These are the facts-but if nothing else I beg that you at least consider these as the other side of the story. I've heard several witnesses that must keep quiet in case they are needed in court have confirmed this story and had the SAME version of events. All other "witnesses" stories have all been inconsistent with one another, some claiming he was down on his knees, others that he was running away. The truth above is the only consistent story there has been because of course, there can be only one version of the truth. I believe in my heart for it to be factually true because I know someone very well who was there. Please spread the truth. I am begging you to at least put this out as a possibility since we have ONLY heard the other's side. It explains all of the questions and it's what I was told on Sunday morning, before everyone was silenced. Please pray for the officer who was only doing his job and trying to stay alive. Please consider releasing this as a possibility...just a theory. I'm telling you, eventually it will come out but for now, people are scared to speak out.

On August 17, this post goes up on a Facebook page purported to be Darren Wilson's, as posted by Breitbart:

my friends and family have been afraid to put out what really happened due to the severe threats.but here is the truth of what happened. as much as i can tell you at this point.
they were walking in the middle of the street. i pulled my vehicle up, rolled my window down and told them to get out of the street. they refused an yelled back cussing - saying they were already almost where they are going.
i pulled further up and over. i was watching them and at that point i got the call in that there was a strong arm robbery. the description they gave was the same as the two and they had something in their hand that looked like it could be the cigars.
i backed my car up and tried to get out of my car, but they slammed my door shut to prevent me from getting out. i started to get out again and stood up, but michael came and started to shove me back in to the car. he started punching me in the face and at that point i grabbed for my gun
michael grabbed for the gun. he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. the gun goes off after it is shoved. michael took off and got to be about 35 ft away
my first protocol is to pursue, so i yell "freeze" , michael and his friend turn around. michael taunts and yells saying "what are you gonna do about it" stuff like that. And next he started bumrushing me. he just started coming at me at full speed so i started shooting. he kept coming. i definitely think the toxicology report will show that he was not right and under the influence of something
this is my account of what happened (at least, what I can openly share at this point). much of what you will hear on Tv and radio is very inaccurate. i will be deactivating my page shortly so please copy this to share the truth. i appreciate your support - especially from my police family

(snip)

#CNN confirms this Facebook post claiming to be written by #Ferguson PD Ofc Darren Wilson is **FAKE** Plz RT https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=340080559484479&id=100004476136974 …

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Note NONE of the eyewitnesses reported "bum rushing/sprinting" behavior at the time (among other inconsistencies with eye witness reports being aired at the time) and there was no police report filed.

Now the testimony:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/darren-wilson-testimony

After that, Wilson said, Brown and Johnson kept on walking. He noticed that Brown was holding a box of cigarillos and wearing a black shirt, meaning that he matched the profile of the suspect in a robbery at a local market, which he had heard about on his radio a bit earlier. Wilson said he radioed for assistance, reversed his car, angled it in front of Brown and Johnson to cut them off, and asked Brown to come over to him, which Brown did. But when the officer tried to open his door to get out, he recounted, Brown said, “What the fuck are you going to do about it,” and slammed the door shut.

From there, according to Wilson’s account, things rapidly deteriorated. After both of them tried to push the door, Brown got it closed and then came at him through the open window, and punched him in the face. Wilson tried to grab one of Brown’s arms to restrain him, he recalled, but “when I grabbed him, the only way I can describe it is I felt like a five-year-old holding onto Hulk Hogan.” After being punched again, Wilson said, he considered reaching for his mace spray, but he was worried he’d get some of it in his own eyes, which would blind him, “and I would have been out of the game.” So he went for his gun, a Sig Sauer .40 pistol, which had twelve bullets in the magazine and one in the chamber, and said to Brown, “Get back or I am going to shoot you.”

At this point, Wilson testified, Brown “grabs my gun, says, ‘You are too much of a pussy to shoot me.’ ” Brown then pushed the gun down toward Wilson’s thigh, the officer went on, and a pulling match ensued, during which Wilson twice tried to shoot the gun, but it didn’t go off. Eventually, it did, blowing out one of the windows and drawing blood from somewhere on Brown’s body. The gunfire startled both of them, Wilson said. Brown took a step back, and then looked up at him with “the most intense aggressive face. The only way I can describe it, it looks like a demon, that’s how angry he looked. He comes back towards me again with his hands up.”

Wilson tried to pull the trigger again, he testified, but the gun again failed to shoot, and Brown struck him. Wilson racked the slide on the top of his pistol and squeezed the trigger yet again, this time successfully. “When I look up, I see him start to run, and I see a cloud of dust behind him. I then get out of my car. As I’m getting out of the car, I tell dispatch, ‘Shots fired, send me more cars.’”

(snip)

They both ran diagonally across the street, Wilson recalled, and Brown eventually stopped next to a light pole. “So when he stopped, I stopped,” Wilson went on. “And then he starts to turn around. I tell him to get on the ground, get on the ground.” Rather than acceding to Wilson’s request, he testified, Brown started to run toward him. “As he is coming towards me, I tell, keep telling him to get on the ground. He doesn’t. I shoot a series of shots.” At least one of them hit Brown, Wilson recalled: he said that Brown’s body “kind of jerk or flinched.” Wilson didn’t say how far away from Brown he was when he fired these shots, but he did say that they didn’t stop Brown’s progress. So the officer retreated again and fired more shots, at least one of which hit its intended target: “He flinched again,” Wilson said.

(more at link)

Wonder why his fellow officers did not see a problem with the shooting? Remember all the witnesses who had to go to the media to tell what they saw because the police weren't interested in listening to them? They were crafting the narrative and sharing it on Facebook - just what you want done during an investigation into potential criminal behavior.

Narrative established. Execution justified. Justice denied.

[octoberlib]

1. I believe Dorian Johnson's testimony is the most accurate.

[Indydem]

2. Why?

Why do so many people so much faith in the testimony of a criminal who made the absolutely false claim the Brown was shot at close range, and then in the back?

Dorian Johnson is a liar. The fact that so many have put so much faith in his statements says so much about them it is unbelievable.

[IdaBriggs]

4. Prove your assertion that he is a criminal and/or liar.

Links please.

His arrest record would also be good evidence.

[Indydem]

6. Blinders much?

Here you go:

Dorian Johnson was a criminal with a standing arrest warrant:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2732122/Revealed-Key-Michael-Brown-shooting-witness-Dorian-Johnson-arrest-warrant-theft-busted-lying-cops.html

Dorian Johnson claimed that Michael Brown was shot at while at the vehicle:

"“I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.”

Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body.

“The whole time [the officer] was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted."

Then he claims that Wilson shot Brown in the back:

"Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”"

Those quotes come from this story: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

So, yeah. A thief and a liar.

[VanillaRhapsody]

18. Uh wrong....the police reported that the drivers side window was shot OUTWARDS...the glas

was outside the car.

[Indydem]

20. Where is that in the Grand Jury testimony?

How was the glass shot outward when the window was down?

[pnwmom]

27. What is wrong with that account? Brown's blood was found in the vehicle, showing

that he was first shot while he was there.

[Indydem]

29. Blood was pooling on his right side?

When he was shot in the hand?

How is that?

What about the often repeated claims he was shot in the back?

Dorian Johnson is a liar. His lies and embellishments of a terrible situation stirred up a good portion of this mess. Everything he said for weeks was lies. He is a vile individual who should not be believed or applauded in any way.

[pnwmom]

31. He was in his right arm.

The blood from his right arm could easily have gotten on his shirt, and have appeared to be coming from the right side of his body. That was a mistake, not a lie.

One of the hits to his arm could have happened while he was running away from Wilson, and been mistaken for a hit to his back. Arms can rotate position relative to the back, depending on how they are held.

[IdaBriggs]

42. Interesting takeaway on your part.

From your link:

Dorian Johnson, 22, was arrested by police in Jefferson City, Missouri, in June 2011 after he allegedly stole a delivery package off a doorstep in an apartment complex. He was attending college at Lincoln University in the city, which is about 120miles west of Ferguson.

When cops asked Johnson for his name, he told them he was Derrick Johnson and that he was 16 - though he gave officer a birth date that would have made him 17, according to an arrest report obtained by MailOnline.

(snip)

He was charged with misdemeanor theft and filing a false police report. He pleaded guilty to the latter charge. When he didn't show up to court to answer the theft charge, a judge issued a warrant for his arrest.

(snip)

Johnson's lawyer, former St. Louis Mayor Freeman Bosley Jr., told WND-TV that the outstanding warrant had been 'resolved.'

He said Johnson had been arrested in St. Louis on the warrant. After 14 days, when the deputies from Cole County never came to extradite him back to Jefferson City, St. Louis police released him without charge.

So to recap, teenage college student ALLEGEDLY took a package in an apartment hallway (wonder about the evidence?), gave a false name when accused/got caught (we can't get people arrested on suspicion in my town, but again, heavy white population and "package theft" not usually worth the time of our police department), was accused of a misdemeanor and somehow ended up with an arrest warrant that could have derailed the young college student's life.

Huh. Really ties in with what we know about the Ferguson police doesn't it?

From Newsweek Monday, Aug 18, 2014 Driving While Black in Ferguson http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-profiling-police-courts-shooting-264744

Despite Ferguson’s relative poverty, fines and court fees comprise the second largest source of revenue for the city, a total of 2,635,400,” according to the ArchCity Defenders report. And in 2013, the Ferguson Municipal Court issued 24,532 arrest warrants and 12,018 cases, “or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household.”

(snip)The paper points out that in Ferguson, 86 percent of vehicle stops “involved a black motorist, although blacks make up just 67 percent of the population.” In addition, blacks stopped in Ferguson “are almost twice as likely as whites to be searched (12.1 percent versus 6.9 percent) and twice as likely to be arrested (10.4 percent versus 5.2 percent)”. Searches of blacks only results in discovery of contraband 21.7 percent of the time, whereas contraband is recovered from their less frequently stopped white counterparts 34.0 percent of the time."

Interesting that despite being a) present for an ALLEGED strong arm theft and b) holding the "stolen goods" the young man wasn't arrested on the spot despite the fact his compatriot was killed over the incident.

That would involve a trial and testimony though, wouldn't it? All on the record. Able to be used against the guy who grabbed his friend and shot him while in the car, then shot and killed him in front of witnesses that the police didn't interview until much later....

And the whole "former Jennings police officer/fired when department disbanded due to corruption" thing would probably come up in court as a "credibility" thing, wouldn't it?

Your mileage may vary, but I don't think I am the one having issues with "blinders".

[Indydem]

43. He wasn't arrested in Ferguson

He was arrested in Jefferson City, 120 miles away.

So what were you saying about how Ferguson is the problem?

[IdaBriggs]

49. "Arrested on the warrant FROM Ferguson/left for 14 days."

Over an ALLEGED misdemeanor that wasn't taken care of at the same time as the "gave other name to police" charge.

Tell Newsweek your problems with their reporting. I did copy/paste. I stick to my interpretation.

[Indydem]

52. Where does it say that the warrant was FROM Ferguson?

Or that he was arrested in Ferguson?

The crime took place in Jefferson City, where he was initially arrested.

He was later arrested in St. Louis.

Never in Ferguson.

[BillZBubb]

7. Darren Wilson is a liar and a murderer.

Brown was shot a close range, even Wilson said he was shot in the hand at close range. Johnson could reasonably believe Brown was shot in the back since Wilson fired as Brown was running away.

The fact that people like you swallow the police bullshit story is what is unbelievable and disgusting. An young man died for nothing but the insecurity of a cowardly cop.

[Indydem]

12. And the testimony from witnesses that Brown charged at Wilson?

Why is their testimony so worthless?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/darren-wilson/witnesss-said-brown-charged-wilson-897043

[frylock]

16. gosh, with so much conflicting testimony, it would seem to me that a trial is in order..

would you agree?

[Indydem]

17. Would losing a trial make you feel like justice was served?

If you can't get 12 people to indict him for manslaughter, you aren't going to get a jury to convict him on that or any other count.

What about this seems so confusing?

[VanillaRhapsody]

21. IN 2010 there were 162,000 Grand Juries....out of those...only 11 were denied...

You were saying?

[Indydem]

23. That is a Federal Court number.

I would hope that a Federal Court filing charges would have a very high success rate.

No one has bothered to compile a number on state level grand juries that don't indict.

So you are saying that if an indictment was passed down, the prosecutor who allegedly flubbed the grand jury case would have prosecuted Wilson to a conviction?

[frylock]

22. so just fuck it?

meh?

[Indydem]

26. Our justice system is imperfect.

I can't change that, and neither can you.

You can't charge someone with a crime just because you really really want to.

The evidence was insufficient to convince a 12 member grand jury that Wilson had committed a crime.

So again, I ask, what are the chance that an indictment would have resulted in a conviction. I will tell you: 0%

[woolldog]

53. That's not the standard for indictment

The standard is probable cause. And there was more than enough probable cause. However the way the prosecutor conducted the Grand Jury proceedings assured there would be no indictment. The deck was stacked in Wilson's favor. It's a real shame that you've fallen for McCullough's sleight of hand.

[Indydem]

55. A few years ago...

A young man entered my property and stole 3 batteries out of trucks that were parked there.

He promptly took them to the local recycling center, gave them his ID, and sold them the batteries as scrap.

The police had all the evidence they possibly could have needed; surveillance video, his ID, his name, and his confession. He was even on parole for another crime.

The Prosecutor declined to file charges, because she felt they could not get a conviction based on the evidence they had.

The prosecutor in this case didn't want to deal with this case. It is nearly impossible to get a conviction on a police officer in a shooting where the officer can make a reasonable case that they were in danger. So the prosecutor gave the grand jury all of the evidence, and a range of charges and told them to sort it out.

The residents of Ferguson would have never accepted the prosecutor simply saying "I'm not going to press for an indictment" and the prosecutor knew that if he chose any single count for indictment, he would not get the indictment with the evidence that was available.

Probably cause is NOT the standard. Whether or not a prosecutor can win the case, and thus make good use of limited resources, is.

[woolldog]

57. Probable cause is the standard for indictment.

You are flat out wrong on that.

What you saw here was a complete perversion of the process. Wilson was never cross examined. He was simply allowed to tell his story unchallenged. The contradictions between his statements went unaddressed by the prosecutor. The eyewitnesses who didn't support Wilson's story were cross examined. The irregularities between these grand jury proceedings and typical grand jury proceedings have been catalogued elsewhere, but they are significant. It is not normal to just dump all the evidence on the grand jury and tell them to sort it all out. This was a sham.

[frylock]

72. you understand the difference between homocide and petty theft, don't you?

[pnwmom]

28. Wrong. The reason he wasn't indicted was because the prosecutor

was acting as a defense attorney -- who isn't supposed to be part of a Grand Jury proceeding -- instead of doing his job as a prosecutor. He didn't even list charges for the Grand Jury to consider, so of course they didn't indict.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/events-leading-darren-wilson-shooting-michael-brown-article-1.2024569

[Indydem]

30. They were given a range of charges to choose from.

To suggest that they had no charges to consider is just plain false.

The prosecutor didn't want to prosecute this case at all, seeing the evidence and knowing that there was no hope for a conviction. He passed the buck to the grand jury. The fact the couldn't get an indictment for any one of the charges on the list tells you all you need to know; Wilson acted in good faith, in fear for his life, and the witnesses back up his testimony.

[pnwmom]

32. No, they weren't given a range of charges. To suggest they were is just plain false.

Whoever heard of a case being presented to a Grand Jury in which the prosecutor doesn't ask for the defendant to be charged with something?

OF COURSE they didn't indict. As many here thought, the result was pre-ordained.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The grand jury that decided not to indict Police Officer Darren Wilson operated differently from a typical grand jury in Missouri.


A typical case tends to be presented to a grand jury in about one day. The grand jurors in the Officer Wilson case met for 25 days over three months.

A prosecutor usually provides a charge or range of charges, then asks the grand jury to indict based on those options. The St. Louis County prosecutor, Robert P. McCulloch, did not recommend a charge or charges against Officer Wilson.

A grand jury generally hears testimony from a few people, often the police investigators who have interviewed witnesses and examined the physical evidence.In Officer Wilson's case, 60 witnesses were called, and the grand jury heard extensive testimony from investigators, who showed pictures of the scene and described it in detail.

The grand jury does not usually hear testimony from the individual who may be charged. Officer Wilson testified for four hours.

[Indydem]

33. Oh, sorry. Wrong.

According to Ed Magee, spokesman for the prosecuting attorney's office, the grand jury is focused on whether Wilson should be charged with any one of several possible crimes, including first-degree murder, second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/18/justice/ferguson-grand-jury-charges/

[pnwmom]

35. Interesting. Well, that spokesman certainly gave the wrong impression, didn't he?

I wonder why.

Nothing about this proceeding was done in the usual way, because they didn't want an indictment.

How McCullough "steered" the jury into not indicting Wilson:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/events-leading-darren-wilson-shooting-michael-brown-article-1.2024569

[Indydem]

38. So you are saying the spokesman is lying?

And your source that no range of charges was considered is who exactly?

Is the NYT lying as well?

After instruction in the range of possible criminal charges, from intentional murder to criminally negligent manslaughter, and after hearing the legal grounds for an officer’s use of deadly force, the grand jury will have to make some crucial judgments.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/us/ferguson-shooting-michael-brown-grand-jury.html

Perhaps, you have been misinformed?

[pnwmom]

39. I am saying the spokesman, whether deliberately or not,

gave the wrong impression. The most recent New York Times account was correct. And so was the article by the WA Post.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The grand jury that decided not to indict Police Officer Darren Wilson operated differently from a typical grand jury in Missouri.


A typical case tends to be presented to a grand jury in about one day. The grand jurors in the Officer Wilson case met for 25 days over three months.

A prosecutor usually provides a charge or range of charges, then asks the grand jury to indict based on those options. The St. Louis County prosecutor, Robert P. McCulloch, did not recommend a charge or charges against Officer Wilson.

A grand jury generally hears testimony from a few people, often the police investigators who have interviewed witnesses and examined the physical evidence.In Officer Wilson's case, 60 witnesses were called, and the grand jury heard extensive testimony from investigators, who showed pictures of the scene and described it in detail.

The grand jury does not usually hear testimony from the individual who may be charged. Officer Wilson testified for four hours.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-bob-mccullochs-pathetic-prosecution-of-darren-wilson/2014/11/25/a8459e16-74d5-11e4-a755-e32227229e7b_story.html

What causes the outrage, and the despair, is the joke of a grand-jury proceeding run under the auspices of McCulloch, the St. Louis County prosecutor. In September, I wrote that it appeared he wasn’t even trying to get an indictment; he had a long record of protecting police in such cases, and his decision not to recommend a specific charge to the grand jury essentially guaranteed there would be no indictment.

[Indydem]

41. The article you link to, links to the same one I link to.

With the quote about a range of charges.

So the New York Times is contradicting itself.

You choose your story. I choose mine.

Mine also happens to be backed up by the CNN link I posted.

[pnwmom]

59. Your link doesn't say what you think it does.

The prosecutor didn't RECOMMEND any charge against the accused. There was no charge listed on the bill of indictment.

That doesn't mean the prosecutor couldn't have informed the jury about possible charges they could consider -- without his recommendation.

And it's unheard of for a prosecutor not to actually recommend either a charge or a range of charges.

[Indydem]

60. The bill of indictment is the result, not the beginning.

My links clearly state that they were given a range of options.

We will have to agree to disagree on this issue.

[pnwmom]

64. Being GIVEN a range of options is not the same as the prosecutor RECOMMENDING

they indict based on a charge or range of charges.

This is how he steered them toward not indicting. Every other prosecutor recommends an indictment; he did not.

In every way that he could, he acted as a defense lawyer, not as a prosecutor.

[Indydem]

66. Because he didn't want to prosecute the case.

Why is this so hard to understand?

He looked at the evidence and said "this is a loser."

So he left it up to the Grand Jury.

Are you of the opinion that if he had recommended a charge of involuntary manslaughter, an indictment would have been returned?

That comes down to one thing "negligent" which acting in self defense negates.

There was never going to be an indictment. I do not understand why this is so hard to understand for some people.

If there was no indictment in the John Crawford case, i have no idea how people thought an indictment would come down in this case.

[pnwmom]

68. It was his job to prosecute, not to PRETEND he was prosecuting.

If he didn't want to prosecute he should have admitted it and suffered the consequences -- not put Michael Brown's family and the members of the Grand Jury through this pretense of a Grand Jury proceeding.

There SHOULD have been an indictment, and there would have if he had acted properly as a prosecutor, and presented the evidence that supported Wilson's guilt, without acting as a defense lawyer to simultaneously undermine that evidence.

He had a clear conflict of interest, both financial and personal. He is the President of a non-profit that was named as one of two beneficiaries of a fund-raiser in the name of Darren Wilson. That fundraiser is still online, still collecting funds from t-shirt sales that are supposedly going to his org.

He also had a personal bias. His own father was a police officer who was killed by a black man. Yes, I doubt his ability to be unbiased.

He should have recused himself, or he should have been removed from the case.

[Indydem]

69. Prosecutorial Discretion

He has the authority to not do a damn thing.

He left it up to the grand jury.

Your belief that some other prosecutor could have somehow empaneled a grand jury and gotten 9 of them to believe that Darren Wilson acted with malice is disheartening.

People are inclined to believe a police officer. Witnesses to support his case is icing.

You believe that there is enough evidence to make Wilson look like an aggressor, and I just don't think it's there.

Guess we have to agree to disagree. Have a great holiday.

[bluesbassman]

40. Ya know, every stinking time I hear someone say that Wilson "acted in good faith" or...

that he was "afraid for his life" it makes me want to puke. Wilson instigated this mess, did not have the sense, skill or desire to contain it correctly, and took a coward's method to end it. The man has no business being in uniform, and I hope his dreams are haunted by the memory of the sound each slug made as he systematically executed an unarmed young man.

[Quasimodem]

61. If you can get 12 people, in secret, to not indict Wilson, it doesn't follow ...

... that under the glare of media and world attention, another 12 jurors will also claim that Wilson's story passes the smell test.

However, the legal system doesn't work that way, so perhaps justice will be delayed until a Federal charge, or a civil case against Wilson is brought forward.

[Indydem]

63. It only takes ONE.

You are telling me that you can't get 9 people, in secret, to indict Wilson, but at trial, 12 will vote to convict him after every witness has been cross examined and had their integrity questioned?

If this were to have gone to trial, the identities of those jurors would have been secret, just as in every other contentious case. There would be no "glare."

[stupidicus]

37. maybe because they were in the minority...

I'd have thought all of this to be common knowledge by now, and particularly to those arguing as stridently as you appear to be. #10 was largely discredited as being a story changing fool already by Lawrence O'Donnell, and one who would never have survived cross examination as a result. ANd of course, feel free to find this kinda guy "credible"... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/25/1347479/-The-Wilson-Witness-who-corroberates-the-Charge-wrote-Racist-Journal-Entries

Maybe you should do more homework...

ANd given that this was the result the prosecutor wanted http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ferguson-da-analysis-20141126-story.html , the idea that a real criminal trial would have necessarily ended with the same result would have likely required a similar skewering on his part.

4. Did Brown charge Wilson?

Pie Chart Brown Charge
Witness 10: Yes

Detective: "Is the a trot, or is it a jog, or is it a full out...?"
Witness: "No, it's a full out... I'm comin' charge full-blown at you try to get to ya."
Witness 14: No

He “was not charging [Wilson”]. He was “coming forward slowly” and “he was not coming menacingly.”
Witness 16: No

“He just turned around and stops.”
Witness 22: No

“He was kneeling.”
Witness 25: Unclear

“I see the African American guy walking back down, facing the caucasian officer.”
Witness 30: Unclear

He says Brown was “walking back” towards Wilson, but he also says Brown pointed at the police officer, and “it looked like he had a gun.”
Witness 32: Unclear

“I saw the young man turn. He was facing the police officer.”
Witness 34: Maybe

“He was walking towards the police he was walking kinda fast but you know just walking.”
Witness 41: No


Brown was on "his knees with his hands up."
Witness 42: No

It was Wilson who “closed in” on Brown.
Witness 44: No

“When he turned around he took about a step back then he put his hands up basically like I’m done.”
Witness 45: No

“He turned around, and he started going back towards the police to defend hisself, like, like to give up.”
Witness 48: Yes

“The dude turned back around and started charging towards the police officer, the police officer told him to stop at least three times.”
Witness 64: Unclear

Witness isn’t sure whether Brown was "running http://mashable.com/2014/11/26/ferguson-shooting-eyewitness-testimonies/

[azmom]

71. That is the journal from

Witness #40. Yeah, very credible, not.

[Dont call me Shirley]

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[Indydem]

36. So, wait?

Having a different opinion than you, makes me a troll?

Riiiiiight.

[IdaBriggs]

51. I just noticed...you are all over my thread defending the honor of Wilson

Without once commenting on the substance of the original post, to wit, the AMAZING coincidence between the media getting Punked with a fake Facebook account, and the whole thing matching up to Wilson's grand jury testimony, despite the fact there are NO POLICE RECORDS DETAILING HIS STATEMENTS (see articles regarding lack of written or recorded documentation, injury photos taken by FOP friend, and issues with evidence chain of custody), while the public, including the victim's family, has not been made aware of his "story".

[Indydem]

56. What is there to say?

Your original post is all bluster.

Of course it matches; perhaps the person who wrote it really was a friend of Wilson. Or maybe it was from another cop.

Whatever the case may be, all that has been proven is that it probably wasn't a "fake" post, it was made in a way as to not get the poster in trouble.

[IdaBriggs]

58. Of course the FAKE FACEBOOK ACCOUNT matches and I am blustering because

I caught that "someone" got the story out despite the whole "no official record thing?"

Wow.

And all over this thread, you protest the honor of Wilson, deny the documented corruption, and ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrative of Good Cops/Black Criminals.

A police investigation with details shared on Facebook by "friends" of the killer.

"Of course it matches."

Done with you now. You are not a credible source in this discussion.

Bye!

[Indydem]

62. No official record thing?

What are you talking about?

Wilson gave a written statement as soon as he returned from the hospital. I'm sure that he talked with other people about it.

Why is it so hard to believe that he told someone the story, and they posted it on social media?

I don't have a narrative. I have evidence. I wish this whole damn thing never happened. A whole bunch of lives are ruined; black and white. Over what? Some stolen cigarillos? Someone's pride? Who knows? I don't pretend to, and thats what makes me different than you.

But I will follow the evidence, and the evidence supports Wilson. He may be turn out to be a douchebag of extraordinary measure, but on this day, in this case, he had enough reason and authority to act.

[Indydem]

67. I look forward to action from the Justice Department.

I've never said this case is a model for anything except how to screw everything up.

From start to finish, the people running the show have been incompetent.

That doesn't mean the outcome was incorrect.

Have a fine evening.

[IdaBriggs]

3. You mean the one where Michael isn't a Super Villain?

From the New Yorkerlink in the original post--

Johnson, who stood next to Brown during the initial altercation, confirmed that Wilson and Brown had an argument and engaged in a tug-of-war through the open driver’s-side window, but he said that he never saw Brown touch the officer’s gun or punch Wilson in the face. Johnson’s account of Brown’s final moments was also very different than the one Wilson provided. When Brown tried to run away after taking a first shot, Johnson recounted, Wilson ran after him and shot him once or twice from behind. Then Brown turned around, faced Wilson from across the street with at least one of his arms raised, and said, “I don’t have a gun.” Brown was trying to say something else when more bullets hit him, Johnson testified, and he went down. But Wilson kept firing. “Shots was definitely fired while he was going down,” Johnson said. “His knees were, he was going down, he was already down before the last shot came.”

As I recall, the police were not interested in his statement until he started talking to the media. That was how many days after?

[BrotherIvan]

5. That matches exactly what the forensic pathologist says on CNN

Video in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=228967

Wilson's story is IMPOSSIBLE. Pure fabrication.

[Rex]

9. FINALLY, someone with expertise lays it out for the ugly truth it is.

Not that it will matter, the local justice system seems totally fucked up toward minorities.

[BrotherIvan]

10. Nor do they care about facts

The whole charade is so grotesque.

[octoberlib]

8. That's it. I read through all his testimony before the Grand Jury. I guess a 22

year old black kid just isn't as credible as a white cop who was let go from his last law enforcement job for corruption.

[Indydem]

11. Care to provide evidence that Wilson was let go for corruption?

Actual evidence?

[octoberlib]

13. It was all over the news. The whole department was disbanded.

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/24/darren_wilsons_former_police_force_was_disbanded_for_excessive_force_and_corruption/

[Indydem]

19. That is not evidence that Wilson is corrupt.

That is evidence that he worked for a corrupt police department. Along with a lot of other cops who weren't corrupt.

Nice try though.

[frylock]

24. he was probably the one "good cop" at that dept

[Indydem]

25. There were 45 cops on the Jennings police force.

You are making a blanket assertion that every cop in Jennings was corrupt, and that despite a clean record in Ferguson and Jennings, Wilson was secretly a racist, corrupt cop?

You have miraculous insights. Perhaps you should look for work utilizing those psychic abilities.

[99th_Monkey]

44. That's pretty much It.

As I read it, the whole department was so thoroughly corrupt that it had
to be disbanded and reconstituted, by selectively rehiring ONLY the cops
who were NOT involved in the corruption.

So actually it is rather damning piece of Wilson's professional history.

[PsychGrad]

46. And...

In his own testimony, Wilson states that he was not asked to be transferred to Ferguson, he had to apply - unlike other officers from that department. And, what was the 8 hour stunt at the other police department that he did and walked out? That's a little weird, and I think maybe relevant to this depending on what it was about. ? Did he walk out, or was he asked to leave after 8 hours for some reason?

[IdaBriggs]

45. The non-corrupt ones were hired back. The corrupt ones, or even just those

Who didn't behave with the highest levels of integrity, were NOT hired back. (Go google Jennings corruption, etc.)

But frankly, those would be awesome questions for him to answer under oath while establishing his "credibility" and "good judgment" about the character of others. Especially "under oath" which testimony could be used against the "bad cops".

They really couldn't afford to put him on the stand, could they? Plus, with his mom's criminal history....

[Rex]

15. Here ya go.

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2014/08/25/ferguson-darren-wilson-michael-brown-killer/
Evidently his last PD had to disband because of too much corruption.

[mainstreetonce]

14. Is fake Josie

now Mrs. Wilson?

[IdaBriggs]

48. No, she claimed to be one of her friends. Don't see her name on the KKK list

From Anonymous.... http://pastebin.com/dpUErTV2

Anonymous said the new bride is tied to KKK and Wilson is "ghoul (?) squad" but I haven't seen any "proof" of those assertions; they claim their primary informant is in fear of their life, so they are putting the pieces together in other ways.

[obxhead]

47. My god! it's coming right for us!

[lonestarnot]

70. About the size of it.

[CullenBohannon]

50. Not sure what to believe

The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I guess there wasn't enough evidence to indict.

[IdaBriggs]

54. National Bar Association feels differently.

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b

THE NATIONAL BAR ASSOCIATION RESPONDS TO THE GRAND JURY’S DECISION NOT TO INDICT POLICE OFFICER DARREN WILSON IN THE SHOOTING DEATH OF MICHAEL BROWN

WASHINGTON, DC – The National Bar Association is questioning how the Grand Jury, considering the evidence before them, could reach the conclusion that Darren Wilson should not be indicted and tried for the shooting death of Michael Brown. National Bar Association President Pamela J. Meanes expresses her sincere disappointment with the outcome of the Grand Jury’s decision but has made it abundantly clear that the National Bar Association stands firm and will be calling on the U.S. Department of Justice to pursue federal charges against officer Darren Wilson. “We will not rest until Michael Brown and his family has justice” states Pamela Meanes, President of the National Bar Association.

(snip)

The family of Michael Brown requested that District Attorney McCullough step aside and allow a special prosecutor be assigned to the investigation to give the community confidence that the grand jury would conduct a complete and thorough investigation into the tragic shooting death of 18 year old Michael Brown. The grand jury’s decision confirms the fear that many expressed months ago — that a fair and impartial investigation would not happen.

“The National Bar Association is adamant about our desire for transformative justice. While we are disappointed with the grand jury’s ruling, we are promoting peace on every street corner around the world. The only way to foster systemic change is to organize, educate, and mobilize. We are imploring everyone to fight against the injustice in Ferguson, Missouri and throughout the United States by banding together and working within the confines of the law,” states President Meanes.

[Blue_Tires]

73. The shock isn't their creation of a fake facebook account

to spread lies....

The shock is how many in the MSM gobbled it up without any scrutiny whatsoever...As a former reporter, I'm horrified at how commonplace it has become to freely "source" unconfirmed stories some random person wrote on facebook/twitter/whatever...

But as everyone keeps telling me, this is the "new" media and it's here to stay...I guess old-school practices like confirming source validity and not printing a story without outside corroboration are too antiquated for the consumers of today