HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Here's what will happen b...

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:01 AM

 

Here's what will happen because of Ferguson:

Some protesters will be put in jail.

Some #%^*heads who yammer about black people needing to obey the law will be re-elected by other #%^*heads. Many black people will not be able to vote because of GOP voter supression; but, don't worry, there will be an investigation and stuff and a Friday afternoon press release enumerating a few ways to improve things in a bipartisan fashion.

Officer Wilson will become a little bit wealthy. His fellow officers will smirk a bit more than before when they #%^* with the black locals.

The swells in MO government will smirk over cocktails, and shake their heads in disbelief over the inability of "those people" to know their rightful place.

The swells in DC will consider what Fox News would say, then do nothing. Followed by being showered by inconceivable wealth from their new jobs on Wall Street.

And Michael Brown will molder in his grave, a candle snuffed so early by criminal stupidity or worse.

I am so angry tonight... 'nuff said. (And no doubt I'll be called a racist for posting this, for some bizarre reason or another. Better Believe It!, eh Swarm?)

We gotta get our #%^* together and do something. This all is very, very, very wrong, and cannot end well unless we get tough, and fast.

84 replies, 9425 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 84 replies Author Time Post
Reply Here's what will happen because of Ferguson: (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 OP
Warpy Nov 2014 #1
KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #3
Warpy Nov 2014 #4
MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #5
BrotherIvan Nov 2014 #9
Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #21
Scuba Nov 2014 #26
Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #33
Scuba Nov 2014 #35
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #36
REP Nov 2014 #48
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #49
REP Nov 2014 #52
ReRe Nov 2014 #61
Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #20
Post removed Nov 2014 #29
ReRe Nov 2014 #62
totodeinhere Nov 2014 #80
ReRe Nov 2014 #83
99th_Monkey Nov 2014 #14
vlyons Nov 2014 #30
Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #34
ReRe Nov 2014 #68
totodeinhere Nov 2014 #84
cyberswede Nov 2014 #2
MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #7
Kablooie Nov 2014 #6
MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #8
Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #10
mimi85 Nov 2014 #75
KMOD Nov 2014 #11
MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #13
vadermike Nov 2014 #12
newfie11 Nov 2014 #19
blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #15
littlewolf Nov 2014 #16
csziggy Nov 2014 #38
malthaussen Nov 2014 #50
csziggy Nov 2014 #51
ReRe Nov 2014 #67
ucrdem Nov 2014 #17
TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #41
DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2014 #77
ucrdem Nov 2014 #78
AndyTiedye Nov 2014 #18
csziggy Nov 2014 #39
ladjf Nov 2014 #53
bvar22 Nov 2014 #54
ladjf Nov 2014 #58
former9thward Nov 2014 #65
csziggy Nov 2014 #59
Vattel Nov 2014 #22
FLPanhandle Nov 2014 #23
madville Nov 2014 #24
aspirant Nov 2014 #43
DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #47
madville Nov 2014 #25
Mr.Bill Nov 2014 #55
Skidmore Nov 2014 #27
maced666 Nov 2014 #28
woo me with science Nov 2014 #31
99Forever Nov 2014 #32
lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #37
bettyellen Nov 2014 #40
TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #42
aspirant Nov 2014 #46
KittyWampus Nov 2014 #44
SidDithers Nov 2014 #56
dionysus Nov 2014 #69
JI7 Nov 2014 #63
MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #73
indepat Nov 2014 #45
gordianot Nov 2014 #57
Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #60
ReRe Nov 2014 #72
Post removed Nov 2014 #64
sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #66
sheshe2 Nov 2014 #70
LineLineNew Reply .
ucrdem Nov 2014 #79
sheshe2 Nov 2014 #81
BeanMusical Nov 2014 #71
marym625 Nov 2014 #74
Kennah Nov 2014 #76
davidthegnome Nov 2014 #82

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:10 AM

1. I want all cops who lose it on people tested for steroid abuse

I saw so much of it as a nurse and recognize that kind of rage.

Any cop found on steroids needs to be fired. Period. And blacklisted for guns.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warpy (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:16 AM

3. If you read Dorian Johnson's testimony in Volume 4, you'll find

 

reason to believe Wilson was either on steroids or speed. There's just no other explanation for his erratic and reckless behavior as suggested by Johnson's testimony. It's positively creepy.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1371051-grand-jury-volume-4.html

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:18 AM

4. Exactly. I've seen enough steroid abusers lose it

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:19 AM

5. He didn't take a wizz quizz after the killing?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:53 AM

9. Not that I know of

There was no toxicology report for Wilson, but there was for Brown. Where the hell is it?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 06:52 AM

21. he was tested. results were negative.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink




Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 10:16 AM

35. No test for steriods, eh?

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Scuba (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 10:22 AM

36. What is the purpose of a urine creatinine test in this context?

 

Is it a byproduct of drug use?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 04:21 PM

48. Creatinine is present is everyone's urine; elevated/depressed clearance indicates different things

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to REP (Reply #48)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 04:24 PM

49. why test for it in a post-accident/incident situation? n/t

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #49)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 04:38 PM

52. Verify urine is being tested; check for severe dehydration

I only saw the drug screen, not the other labs so without knowing what other tests were done, I can't say with certainty. Since creatinine is present is everyone's urine, it could be to make sure it's urine. A very high Cr with any otherwise unremarkable renal panel can indicate dehydration. A urine Cr is usually done with serum creatinine as a random urine creatinine is kind of meaningless on its own (unless it's a Cr : P).

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 07:24 PM

61. That's right...

... more missing evidence. They damn sure did toxicology on Michael Brown, though. The murderer was NOT tested, and the dead man was.

"Land of Laws" my arse. There is NO LAW in Missouri, and evidently in the USA if this whole debacle of injustice is allowed to stand.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 06:52 AM

20. Wilson was tested. Results were negative.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #20)


Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 07:45 PM

62. Travis...

... do you honestly believe that? There has been so many lies & such a miscarriage of justice, how can you believe anything that the local and county PD's or the PA's said or did since the tragic moment Wilson gunned that boy down? Honestly. Come on.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ReRe (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 28, 2014, 12:35 AM

80. The suggestion was to test police officers for steroids. But if we can't believe the

test results what good would that do?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to totodeinhere (Reply #80)

Fri Nov 28, 2014, 01:39 AM

83. Well, you're right.

What good is anything? Because nothing was taken serious from start to finish. And as for the DOJ involvement, justice delayed is justice denied. This injustice of police brutality against our black citizens is abhorrent and must not be allowed to continue on unabated.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to Warpy (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 09:32 AM

30. How about testing for alcohol too?

Lot of fearful people drink to give themselves "courage." Alcohol has proven over and over to cause some people to get mean and violent.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to vlyons (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 10:11 AM

34. He was tested. His BAC was 0.00

 

The test was 4 hours after the shooting, so it could have been above 0 then, but he certainly wasnt drunk.
http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/248136137/embed

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:32 PM

68. What is a BAC?

Assume toxicological (drug) testing and/or alcohol testing. He should have been taken to a hospital immediately and tested, rather than 4 hrs past the incident! All I can figure is that police are above the law and presumed innocent in all instances. What other inference could be surmised?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ReRe (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 28, 2014, 04:50 PM

84. I think that the contract that the police union has with the city probably addresses

issue like this. I'm not sure if the authorities had the right to take him right in for testing. I'm just speculating here.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:15 AM

2. When you're right, you're right. nt

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to cyberswede (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:32 AM

7. I'm hoping to get my ass kicked, but good

 

Sadly, not seeing pushback.

I guess we all know how utterly #%^*ed this is, even the Defenders.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:29 AM

6. And it will al be repeated in several years.

Ever since the 60s the same thing explodes every decade or so because nothing seems to change.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kablooie (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 01:34 AM

8. Every day, it seems like

 

Every once in a while it catches the light at just the right angle and the glitter attracts attention.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:00 AM

10. America has erectile dysfunction.

 

There's always these brief glimmers of hope about us standing up tall, strong and proud...

Then it suddenly fades... and back we go to monotony.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ykcutnek (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 11:28 PM

75. Yeah, but does it last 4 hours or longer?

Didn't reference that right. But hopeful you all know what i meant. I hope.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:04 AM

11. We have to get our stuff together and do something!

 

Absolutely, Manny.

I hope you have a loved one to share thanks with tomorrow, or at this hour, today.

It's kind of a regroup day.

We have to do something. But for one day, find your peace, share your love, share your time for those in need, and share your thanks. It will build your strength for tomorrow's fight.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KMOD (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:27 AM

13. Unfortunately, tomorrow looks to be a mess

 

Big family feud. Likely a day-long airing of grievances.

But I appreciate the thought, thanks!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:20 AM

12. IF THIS KEEPS HAPPENING

my dad has been around a long time.. he has seen it all , he is 76 years old.. he cant believe we are going backwards like this but he always says this country takes many steps forward and then many many back unfortunately.. but he said this crap will not end well.. if nothing is done and more incidents happen , you could see watts riots x 10 or worse.. this shit keeps happening and this is the fing 21st century.. you could see arab spring type stuff ..hopefully it will be peaceful but i think alot people have had enough of this.. i see it on alot of my friends facebook feeds (african americans) and i don't blame them one bit.. its getting out of control...that combines with people's anxiety in general and you have the crazy rwers now buying guns in record numbers , this may not end well.. i just get this sense that our fellow countrymen have gone off the deep end.. especially since President Obama has been POTUS... its total BS... but i dont know what it is going to take to stop this crazy crap!!! rant off. just my .02...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to vadermike (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 06:05 AM

19. I was in LA during the Watts Riots

Walking my dog down the street when a Molotov cocktail was thrown into a store and exploded.
I was a bridesmaid for a wedding held in Watts. The only white person there.
The destruction there looked like a war zone.

I understand the total frustration of year after year being treated as a second class citizen and the anger that produces.

I had hopes things were changing and the bigotry in this country was going away. Then Pres. Obama was elected and OMG it's all out in the open.

I am ashamed to be called an American! I'm old enough to remember the "whites only" signs in public places. How long before congress puts those up.

My country has many problems, from being a war monger to apartheid ( though not obvious)!
We as a country are in trouble and if it doesn't change we will destroy it from within!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:34 AM

15. Be careful, because the Fed's "eyes in the sky" (drones) will be watching you. And recording you.

 

I have seen the enemy. And he is us.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:37 AM

16. what is that quote

those that refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to littlewolf (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 12:18 PM

38. The original quote is from George Santayana "The Life of Reason" (1905-1906)

Vol. I, Reason in Common Sense
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

This famous statement has produced many paraphrases and variants:
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes.
Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it.
Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of their predecessors are destined to repeat them.
Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them.
There is a similar quote by Edmund Burke that often leads to misattribution, "People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Santayana#Vol._I.2C_Reason_in_Common_Sense

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to csziggy (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 04:26 PM

50. Burke also said

"He who doesn't understand history is doomed to repeat it." This is rather similar to Santayana's sentiment.

But as Kurt Vonnegut pointed out, to be alive is to relive the past. I think it is human nature to put old wine in new bottles.

-- Mal

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to malthaussen (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 04:37 PM

51. My post included Burke's actual quote

There is a similar quote by Edmund Burke that often leads to misattribution, "People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Santayana#Vol._I.2C_Reason_in_Common_Sense

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to csziggy (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:19 PM

67. Another derivitive, maybe:

"How can you know where you're going if you don't know where you've been?"

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:39 AM

17. Here's what happened as a result of the 1992 Rodney King uprising in L.A:

It took eight years, three mayors, and five police chiefs, including L.A.'s first and second African-American police chiefs, to get there, but these reforms were all carried out and only after nine years of DOJ oversight was the consent decree lifted in 2009 and control of the LAPD returned to the police commission:

http://www.lapdonline.org/assets/pdf/final_consent_decree.pdf

Short answer: a lot. But it took several years, not a few days.
................................

Willie L. Williams, LA Police Chief June 30, 1992 May 17, 1997


Bernard C. Parks, LA Police Chief August 12, 1997 - May 4, 2002

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ucrdem (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 12:44 PM

41. and they are still fucked up.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ucrdem (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 11:47 PM

77. The LAPD is in no way fixed, reapaired, or rehabilitated. nt

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #77)

Fri Nov 28, 2014, 12:07 AM

78. It's reformed. In 1992, it was 59% white. Today, it's 37% white.

source: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/0425/Los-Angeles-riots-20-years-later-has-LAPD-reformed

The point is that the Rodney King unrest led to significant, systematic reform including 8 years of DOJ oversight consequent to federal charges brought in 2000, eight years after RK but stemming from it. DOJ investigations take time and the DOJ is actively investigating Ferguson.

But if it's instant gratification you're after, L.A. got its first African-American police chief less than 2 months after RK, and it wouldn't surprise me if Ferguson gets a new chief very soon. You heard it here first.

p.s. from LBN: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014953765

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:58 AM

18. "Do Something" but WHAT?

We gotta get our #%^* together and do something. This all is very, very, very wrong, and cannot end well unless we get tough, and fast.


What CAN we do? As you have observed, protests accomplish little or nothing.
Riots and vandalism accomplish less than nothing (which is why provocateurs instigate them).
Our influence over the political process is at an all-time low and dropping fast.
Revolutions always get hijacked by religious fundamentalists these days, we'd get Christian Dominionists instead of Islamists, but that's not really any consolation at all.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 12:26 PM

39. The most productive thing to do is to register people to vote

And get them to get out and vote.

We can also work towards restoring felon's rights so more of the disenfranchised are eligible to vote. Many state laws need to be changed so people's rights are not permanently removed - that happened in Florida under Charlie Crist but Rick Scott rolled it back.

Aside from those efforts, we HAVE to get people to actually VOTE. As we see by this last election, when the majority of registered voters don't get out to vote, we (liberals, progressives, Democrats, minorities) LOSE. The Republicans know this - that is why they do everything possible to suppress not only voters' rights, but to suppress voting.

The Democratic Party will not do it - so "we" (the "royal" we) have to. That is why ACORN was so dangerous - they were getting people registered, getting people's rights restored, and getting people to the polls. That is why ACORN was destroyed.

We need a new ACORN!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to csziggy (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 04:41 PM

53. Your idea to get people register and vote is the obvious next best move.

and it's definitely doable. Only 10% of the black citizens of Ferguson voted in the last election. Get that number up to 80% and the political picture would change immediately.

Screw all of that "horse crap" about "We've all got to get together and work out our differences." That's a hollow recipe.

Cast the most votes and take steps to insure that they will ALL be counted will turn things around. By the way, eliminating the fraud will be the most difficult task. The people in power are skilled and relentless in "rigging" the elections.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ladjf (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 05:09 PM

54. That is why the Democratic Party Leadership torpedoed ACORN as fast as they could.

They dropped ACORN and ran like it was a radioactive hot potato.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to bvar22 (Reply #54)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 05:53 PM

58. My recollection was that the Republicans run ACORN out of business. So, if you are correct,

are you saying that the Democratic Party didn't want ACORN to register voters? And if so, why?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ladjf (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 07:47 PM

65. It wasn't just the GOP.

Democrats Run Away from Embattled ACORN

WASHINGTON Democrats in Congress are abandoning an embattled community organizing group after Republicans stepped up attacks on the liberal-leaning ACORN and the federal funding it receives.
Majorities of Senate and House Democrats voted Thursday in favor of separate Republican proposals to block federal funding for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
The group has come under heavy criticism following the release Monday of a video showing ACORN employees apparently advising a couple, posing as a prostitute accompanied by her pimp, about how to conceal their line of work, evade taxes and handle undocumented, under-age sex workers.
In the Senate, 45 Democrats and Joseph I. Lieberman, I-Conn., backed an amendment offered by Nebraska Republican Mike Johanns to bar any funds provided under the fiscal 2010 Interior Appropriations bill (HR 2996) to go to ACORN.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32917270/ns/politics-cq_politics/t/democrats-run-away-embattled-acorn/#.VHfFRPnESPs

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ladjf (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 06:11 PM

59. Voting fraud by the people running the elections is a concern

I don't worry much about individual voter fraud - there is so little of it and not much incentive.

I worry a lot about the high percentage of disenfranchised citizens. Too many people have been convicted of things that should not permanently cost them their rights. Why should those people care about how this country is run when they have no say - it should be a cry equivalent to the "No taxation without representation!" Restore people's rights, let them vote, get them involved and they will have a bigger stake in their communities.

As for stopping election rigging: We need paper ballots - I don't mind having scanners for quick results, but with paper ballots there should ALWAYS be hand counts to verify the results. If that is done with proper supervision - representatives from each party and/or from each candidate - we can trust our elections

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 07:17 AM

22. It's not time to give up on getting justice for Michael Brown.

 

There should be demands for a new Grand Jury. The process was a joke. The prosecutor should have focused the Grand Jury's attention on the relevance of whether Wilson was shooting at Brown as Brown fled. They should have been told that in 1985 the Supreme Court ruled that the Fourth Amendment prohibits shooting a fleeing suspect who poses no immediate danger to anyone. Instead the grand jury was handed an outdated statute saying that officers could shoot at a fleeing suspect.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:13 AM

23. IMO, nothing will happen until you get a majority of the country to emotionally feel the problem.

I look at successful efforts at change for models.

Vietnam: Lots of protests and fights but those did little to change the overall population's mind. When the media like Time magazine started publishing pictures of "this weeks dead", and Life magazine started following and showing daily pictures, and the TV news started broadcasting field reports, then "the average Joe" began to be emotionally involved.

Civil Rights Act: Riots and fights just hardened and polarized opinions, but the image of peaceful well dressed black people trying to eat at a counter, ride a bus, or register to vote being attacked, struck a chord in folks.

Ferguson: Riots, fires, looting, and protesting isn't going to do anything but harden people's opinions. I live in a very conservative area, and there is absolutely NO sympathy for Brown around here. These aren't bad people, they just get their news from Fox, and Brown is not a good example for most people to rally around (stealing & fighting with police are non-starters for a sympathetic response). They can have their minds changed though.

It's going to take a shot at the publics heart to get things to change. Something along the lines of Time magazine of innocent people killed by police this week done week after week until it sinks in.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:34 AM

24. I'm seeing the same thing in my area

Zero sympathy on Tuesday at the government office building I work at, the opinion almost completely across the board was that Brown was ultimately responsible for creating the situation by robbing the store and allegedly assaulting the officer/supposedly going for the officer's gun.

It's bright red around here, can't change anyone's mind, they already "know" everything anyway. The maddening part is that we will never know what really happened. Anything anyone says or thinks is simply an opinion and their interpretation, the "facts" can't be pinned down.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 02:59 PM

43. Pictures are devastating

Posting on the internet would be a start. We need to organize boycotts nationally and globally. Cutting into their bottom line, it's the only thing these filthy corporations understand. The Saudi's maintaining their levels of oil production has the USA fracking industry starting to raise their voices. We the people of this planet have this much power, if not more.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to FLPanhandle (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:16 PM

47. and that is why

the first thign we need to do,possiboly even more so than voting itself, is to undermine the media empires, beucase the media is the engine that keeps the people fromunderstandign anything. Yes, Bill Clinton, you are very much to blame, thanks to your murder of the telecommuncations act.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:47 AM

25. One thing that will come from this

Many more departments already have or will outfit their vehicles and officers with cameras and microphones.

Video evidence would have immediately clarified this particular incident, whatever it may have shown, could have led to charges against Wilson or exonerated him completely, we'll never know for sure.

I used to work for a company that sold, installed, and repaired vehicular camera systems for the police. Most officers liked the cameras once they got used to it being there and understood that it being there could be to their advantage, many had stories about the recordings saving their bacon so to speak. Saw several officers severely reprimanded and some fired for stuff caught on video as well, it goes both ways.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to madville (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 05:10 PM

55. The Sheriff's department where I live

has no cameras in their cars nor do they want them. The cameras would show too many things not in their favor.

You can ask any RN who works in the ER in our hospital and she can name the cops who regularly beat the shit out of people. This is known in my county as "resisting arrest".

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 09:03 AM

27. How many more prosecutors will be emboldened to use the grand jury system

in place of a trial based on actual charges to try a case? This abuse of the system is egregious and is a violation of both the rights of the accuser and the accused, as far as I'm concerned.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 09:09 AM

28. You are exactly right, nothing will come of this.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 09:37 AM

31. Amen. You will know the corporate Third Way by their refusal to demand real change here.

We need an end to the militarization of our police, which is federally driven. We need real accountability, including a national database of police violence and relentless DOJ attention to police abuses.

Yet when the CRITICAL role of purchased, corporate politicians in the creation of this police state America is becoming is mentioned, the Third Way circles the wagons and refuses to demand accountability from our politicians. No, we are to cheer pretty speeches instead, even though they come with no intent for real change. The militarization continues.

Exactly what we have come to expect from our corporate government when it comes to outrages like this.

Nothing ever gets better anymore. We get cynical, pretty speeches and cheering propaganda voices, and nothing more. No one is ever serious about actual change for the better.

In fact, the corporate politicians making pretty speeches are relentlessly making things worse:




____________________________________________________________________________

The entire Democratic leadership opposed Grayson amendment to stop arming cops with DOD weapons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390424


Police Militarization (including the Obama administration's role)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html

It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.

The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.

The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter", its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.

Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.




It's united oligarchy, not divided democracy. And it's united oligarchy with a relentless propaganda machine to try to obscure the truth.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 09:39 AM

32. The pot is about to boil over.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 10:36 AM

37. I've almost always lived in small towns.

 

I concede that I am, to a degree, naive.

But when I have an issue with something generally (e.g. not related to a specific crime experience) I've contacted the chief of police or the Sheriff and asked him to meet me over a cup of coffee.

I'm not suggesting that this is a panacea everywhere, but the more that cops see the merits of community policing the better for us all.

Successful communities have bidirectional personal relationships with the police officers and administrators working there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 12:37 PM

40. in larger communities there has been a change of mission- statistics compiled are used to give pcts

 

targets to "correct" those stats by whatever means needed to give the appearance of "improvement" usually in some quality of life index that those much higher up demand to see improved. I watched it happen in NYC, where they spent a lot of time trying to get victims NOT to press for an investigation of charges on any violent crime. The cops I knew were disgusted. If they don't report it, NYC real estate gets more valuable.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 12:54 PM

42. No, the more the police understand there will be dire consequences to blasting folks

the better things will eventually be.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:06 PM

46. Just 2 or 3 convictions and we will see change quickly.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:02 PM

44. WOW! You finally get around to talking about the racial problem after two tasteless & disgusting

 

posts that used Brown's tragic death as your fodder.

And this is all you can come up with? Thin gruel.

And trying to minimize how ugly your previous two threads were by brushing off well deserved criticism as "eh, swarm" indicates you don't get it.

This particular OP seems more like ass-covering for your previous two insults.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KittyWampus (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 05:11 PM

56. BTW. Someone alerted on your post...

Will post results when they come in.

Edit: 5-2 Leave.

Sid

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to SidDithers (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:40 PM

69. Manny is just all about attention seeking... vhat? vaz you saying something about attention...

seeking.. to meee? vhat?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KittyWampus (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 07:46 PM

63. you have to admit there are some things that don't change

including those who try to make everything about themselves including using other people's tragedy to ridicule and then try to make themselves out to be the victim when called out on it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to KittyWampus (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 09:14 PM

73. Happy Thanksgiving!

 

If you'd like to point out the specific parts of my posts that were ugly or insulting, I'd love to know. Otherwise, please apologize for spraying diarrhea all over DU.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 03:06 PM

45. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness has been unconstitutionally

and shamefully shit upon by TPTB.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 05:49 PM

57. Something might happen if conventions are cancelled in St.Louis.

When the bottom line $$ is considered maybe there will be movement for justice.

Considering that Governmemt cannot legislate background checks for firearms after multiple massacres when kindergarteners are slaughtered by unidentified strangers I do not hold out much hope when unarmed 18 year old is slaughtered by a policeman that anything will be either legislated or done to correct the situation. Even obvious charges of racism carry little weight to these people without a shred of conscience or empathy.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 06:46 PM

60. Can the US Government not establish a Police Oversight Commission?

 

Whereby all shootings by cops if questionable go immediately
to a higher authority than the local boys?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:59 PM

72. No.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:18 PM

66. The cameras are a good idea,

but only if they cannot be turned off or fiddled with in other ways.

I would also like to see a special prosecutor for every police caused

killing, although I am not sure how that person can be chosen without

running into the difficulty we have observed in Ferguson.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:44 PM

70. You make me so sad Manny.

Your faux concern says it all. You don't give a damn about Michael, you never have. Your concern was blaming a black man for not taking on the banks. Before you alert on me, I lost another loved one last night. I am grieving in a way that you cannot understand, yes different from Michaels family grief. It was not violence, it was due to Monsanto and asbestos.

Please stop making fun of this, it is an insult.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink



Response to ucrdem (Reply #79)

Fri Nov 28, 2014, 12:51 AM

81. Sigh~

I thank you. Two in two weeks. It's hard.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 08:56 PM

71. This is really depressing.

The more things change... etc.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 09:52 PM

74. I felt hopeless on Tuesday

But watching the protests across the country, the #stoptheparade movement and the solidarity with people across the country, has given me a little hope. A little.

However, if the killing of Tamir Rice goes the way of Michael Brown, John Crawford and countless others, as far as I am concerned, all bets are off. Burn it down. It's the only thing that the government, the 1% and the cops care about, property

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Nov 27, 2014, 11:42 PM

76. Damn you, Manny Goldstein. Damn you for speaking the cold, hard, concise, honest truth.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Nov 28, 2014, 01:03 AM

82. In the short term, perhaps

Long term, I'm afraid it's going to get much, much worse. I've known some good cops, but the idiots and jerks I've known who were cops unfortunately greatly outnumber them. Of course, it's not just cops, either. It's the racial outlook of Americans in general. For so long, there has been this little act as if racial prejudice did not exist, or was not harmful - particularly among white, clueless conservatives.

Then a black man was elected President - and suddenly the level of hatred, racism, bigotry, stupidity... the threats, the insults, they were right out there in the open. I once knew a young man from South Carolina who told me that the South would rise again, that the civil war had not truly ended, that it was just a long damned truce. Some times, I wonder if perhaps he was right.

I don't think that it's going to go well for quite some time, Manny. I have faith that, in time, it will end well - that things will change for the better. It's time to pull out that ugly old racism, drag it's ass into the open - and confront it. As long as we have so many shmucks denying it's very existence, I fear we'll see more Michael Browns.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread