I am expunging the phrase "global warming" from my vocabulary.

[TygrBright]

It only gives cover to morons like Ben Carson.

From now on, I'm referring only to "anthropogenic climate change" or ACC.

That is all.

exasperatedly,
Bright

[loyalsister]

1. I tried to correct some deniers

When I said climate change, they asked if that was the new "politically correct" term. There was no further discussion to be had. You can't fix stupid!!

[Cha]

5. "politically correct" has nothing to do with it.. It's just a better description for those who

can't or won't acknowledge the science behind the term "Global Warming"

[loyalsister]

8. I know that

Labeling something "politically correct" is a way of trying to demean or discredit it. There is no way in the world the people I mentioned will believe that their behavior effects anything but their tiny little world.

[Cha]

11. I knew you knew that, loyalsister... I just decided to give that a try.. if anyone ever said that

to me. Happy Thankgivining

[loyalsister]

18. There's no way to help them

I tried to give an explanation, but that was "discredited" with the reason they disbelieve all science. They think scientists just make things up and find ways to support it. Of course, they do take advantage of modern medicine where necessary, though.
I surrendered at "they can't even predict the weather tomorrow, why do they think they can predict it years from now?" lol

Believe it or not, I have heard an even more frustrating indictment of science. From "if weather has changed the environment already why do they think it's going to be worse now?" to "They say you can tell how old caves are by the rings in those icicles. Well, I've seen icicles that are that big in the winter and they aren't that old."

On a side note, I do call it climate change, and my mom has finally understood it.

Happy Thanksgiving back!

[longship]

2. Unfortunately, they play the rhetorical games much better than the scientists.

However, I sympathize with your sentiments.

I have been following the evolution/creation battle for some number of decades, and it is the same. When one is allowed to just make shit up one can just about always leverage ones rhetoric above ones opponent.

That is why the rhetoric arguments hardly ever work on our side, because that is nearly the only weapon in the opposition's quiver. But the science position is always more nuanced, and tentative. It takes much more effort to understand the science than to deny it. One has to learn. Ignorance is always easier.

And because of that, these days they are winning.

I do not blame you for wanting to change the wording. Science now calls it climate change. But I do not think it will make any difference. The bad guys will still deny the science. And this is a rather significant problem.

Happy Thanksgiving, my friend.

[LuvNewcastle]

3. I call it climate change, although global warming is still accurate

when considering all the problems that climate change is creating. Global warming is causing the sea levels to rise and a host of other problems, but you can't explain all that to someone who doesn't look past his nose. I like your term, TygrBright, but the people who need to be informed by the term you're using are unfortunately too ignorant to know what "anthropogenic" means and too lazy to find out.

[Cha]

4. I did that a while ago when I saw Climate Change Deniers/Planet Polluters tried to fool

the people with it.

[maced666]

6. Climate change appears to work...covers everything.

Little hot? Climate change...little cool? Climate change.

[Control-Z]

7. I switched to "climate change"

a long time ago. Though, I sometimes revert back to global warming just to be a shit around a certain denier. I like to make him feel as stupid as possible when he talks about all the snow and cold weather in the winter. Lol.

[world wide wally]

9. The term "global warming" was coined in reference to the polar regions warming and

melting ice caps. This in turn causes a chain reaction around the Earth due to it's effect on Warm and cold currents and their effect on temperature. It is not always a case of warmer temperatures in all places at all times.

[RobertEarl]

10. You allow them to make you change?

The simple fact is that the globe is warming. Oceans have warmed considerably, and that warming is global. Oceans cover @ 6/7ths of the globe.

I get the exasperation from talking to the clowns who deny warming, but the last thing any of should do is start jumping thru the hoops they set up.

Best to just have your say and walk away.

The globe is warming and the consequence of that warming is that climates will change. The changes are exemplified by seeing the weather going from one extreme to the other, as we have been witnessing.

[Igel]

12. Both are valid.

"Global warming" is global. Even if it's cooler in MN last weekend, that says nothing about "global." Serious attempts to hurt the hypothesis never focused on what's happening in Duluth or Anchorage or Tampa but on proxies and global weather station coverage, calibration, and adjustment, how to account for local variation or short-term alterations to the Earth's climate.

"Climate change" is local. It may lead to cooler or warmer, wetter or drier weather locally or temporarily.

Trying to distinguish between global "climate change" and "global warming" because climate change can accept any anthropogenic change simply isn't going to work. There is no claimed mechanism for anthropogenic global cooling, which is just as well since there's no claimed global cooling (at least not at present). If it turns out that this is what's happening, it's not like there's just a major correction needed to the hypothesis as we've had recently with the idea of deep waters in the oceans being a heat sink to account for why the global temperature pretty much held constant for a bit more than a decade. The hypothesis would need to be reworked to say it's opposite.

It would rather be like reworking the "out of Africa" hypothesis to say that human beings evolved in the Tierra del fuego, yet still calling it the "out of Africa hypothesis."

[truebrit71]

13. I'm keeping it in mine...

The morons will deny it anyway....

Jubilant nipples,
Truebrit

[eridani]

14. Or even just climate change.

Argument with teabagger brother

TB: With all this snow, how can anyone believe in that so-called "global warming"?

Me: Would you say an average winter temperature increase from 21F to 25F is an increase?

TB: Yes, but what does that have to do with snow?

Me: So you agree that at 25F, precipitation will almost always take the form of snow?

TB: So?

Me: Higher temperatures means more moisture in the atmosphere, so there will be more snow at 25F than at 21F. So more snow is evidence of climate change.

TB: <crickets>

[olddots]

15. I think we should call it REALITY

The dip shits that don't believe in reality are useless .

[Blanks]

16. I personally prefer 'global warming' as a description for what's causing the problem...

And 'climate change' as a symptom (or side effect). Rising sea levels are also a symptom of global warming.

The planet is warming - there are measurements made daily throughout the world, those measurements are compiled, averages are taken and the actual amount that the average world temperature is increasing or decreasing is reported.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/

Recently my primary Facebook nemesis posted some link from one of his moronic Fox News echo chambers questioning the method of collection, but there isn't any real motivation for those who take the measurements to falsify the information, there is however lots of motivation for the financial backers doubting global warming to question the method. Questioning the method is not the same as disproving the results.

When it snows in Phoenix - it doesn't disprove global warming, it merely demonstrates that the climate change that is created from global warming is a real problem. The cold air is not where it's supposed to be and that's a big problem for ecosystems that are built around that temperature in the arctic just as the ecosystems in the desert are threatened by unexpectedly cold temperatures.

I'm gonna stay with global warming since temperature is what they're actually measuring, and there is proof that the globe is warming.

[rpannier]

17. With the hard core deniers they'll assume ACC

is the Affordable Care Act

[Cleita]

19. I already have.

I've been calling it the impeding climate catastrophe.

[bvf]

20. I wouldn't back down

just to accommodate the ignorant.

By pushing back a little bit, you might be able to change a mind here and there. Slim chance, I know, but using the term "anthropogenic" is likely to get you immediately written off as an egghead by these types.

[sadoldgirl]

21. I use global warming

when talking about the poles, otherwise it is climate change for me.

What gets me about those deniers is that they will not think of
their children and grandchildren. However, even that does not
seem to register.

[nikto]

22. "Global-warming" and "Global cooling" are lame, misleading terms. FUWC is more apt...

FUWC










("Fucked-Up-World-Climate&quot





Any questions?

[TygrBright]

24. I like that. I'll use it interchangeably with ACC. n/t

[nikto]

27. All joking aside...

Clearly, unequivocally, the world climate is getting increasingly fucked-up,
and showing bizarre fluctuations and extremes in both directions that are increasingly varying from
past long-term climate patterns.

Cooling?
Warming?
Both, in different places?

Hard to say, but one thing we can all agree on:

The world climate is FUCKED-UP.

FUWC
is
REAL.

[ErikJ]

23. A poisonous tropical spider is moving north in US because of "global warming"

The Brown Recluse spider is in the southern midwest but will be in N. Dakota by 2050 because of what they call global warming. It will also increase the spread of infectious tropical diseases, like Ebola, to the US.

[ileus]

25. I just say climate change now...and have to explain away global warming

almost every time I discuss climate science...I swear the peckerheads just want to keep plowing the same old "globall warming makes my pool cold" line.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. It's a bit of a mouthful, but it's more accurate.

[harun]

28. Call it the CO2 PPM Problem

No sarcasm, Global Warming is a horrible term.

[jimlup]

29. Agree strongly with exasperated!

Yeah I don't know how it could be more blatantly obvious scientifically. I remember thinking back in the '80's that once we reach this point and really had significant scientific evidence of ACC we would take real steps to limit CO2 emissions. I was so naive in believing our society was rational.

Now it seems it is "fashionable" to be a denier. This is certainly true over at "Discussionist" which I admit is a cess pool. But god damn it! What the hell people? I refuse to accept that my species is really that stupid but maybe they are. Wake the f%*@ up folks!

[niyad]

30. I prefer the term C3--catastrophic climate change (learned from the cophenhagen summit)

[TygrBright]

31. Another good one, thanks! n/t