black on black murder

[cali]

What republicans are really saying, aside from "look over here", is that black people are more violent than white people, that black people are animals.

Guiliani is a stunning example of this.

<snip>

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani says the controversy surrounding the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, who was fatally shot by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, does not exemplify a larger national problem.

"93 percent of blacks are killed by other blacks," Giuliani said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "We're talking about the exception here."

"What about the poor black child that is killed by the other black child? Why aren't you protesting that?"

<snip>

"White police officers wouldn't be there if you (speaking to Dyson) weren't killing each other 75% of the time."

<snip>

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/23/politics/rudy-giuliani-ferguson-exception/

[JaneyVee]

1. And 93% of whites are killed by whites.

Fuck Giuliani.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6#disablemobile

[1StrongBlackMan]

5. Quick question ...

What was (is) your other DU Screen-name?

{In your first post, you cite to what DUers do?}

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. That didn't take long. n/t

[uppityperson]

8. She'll be back.

[1StrongBlackMan]

9. What WAS her previous screen name? n/t

[marym625]

10. ah!

They were auto removed. Never had a jury post disappear before.

[JaneyVee]

11. Anyone know pizza posters response?

Im curious what caused the tombstone.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

12. Those statistics don't mean what you think they mean.

There are roughly 6 times as many white people as black people in the USA (roughly 72% to 12%), so absolute numbers don't really mean anything; the meaningful number is per capita.

That table has 6131 murders in it, of which 5718 were identified as involving whites and blacks only:

In this table, the first column is the number of murders in that category, the second is the number you'd get if anyone were equally likely to be murdered by anyone, and the third is the ratio.

White people killing white people 2,630 4200 0.63
Black people killing black people 2447 0116 21.1
Black people killing white people 0448 0700 0.64
White people killing black people 0193 0700 0.28

What the statistics show is that there are far, *far* more black on black murders per capita than there are any other combination of victim's race and murderer's race.

If you control for wealth/poverty, that will become less striking *within any given wealth band*, but it's not obvious that that's the right way to look at it.

[JaneyVee]

15. True, per capita. But...

Still shows the number 1 killer of white people are white people.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

16. Which is a technically true, but deeply misleading, statement.

More Australians are killed by horses than by crocodiles.

If you don't control for "per capita", you tend to get statements which may be technically true, but also tend to hinder rather than aiding understanding of the data you're looking at.

[hack89]

13. Look at the absolute number of offenders in your table

That is telling fact from your post.

[linuxman]

18. That's incorrect. I'll help you.

To find a percentage, divide the subset amount into the overall number (eg, 350 fruits, 234 of which are ripe, 234/350= 66.8% ripe fruits).

[TheKentuckian]

2. Is an issue raised by supporters of institutional and personal racism when called upon their shit

in a desperate effort to change the subject without the neck jerking of switching to a completely different subject, I call it a segue way.

This tactic is also deployed by the race bigot and the racist as a despicable rationale to blame their victims for their horrid and soulless behavior.

[Fred Sanders]

3. Guilliani wears his racism and bigotry on his sleeve for all to see...why is he so welcome to

ape his filth on the airwaves?

Black folk are seen as demons....white folk as the victims...fuck Guiliani and his open hate.

The vast majority of whites are also killed by whites, as you say, that single comment by him illuminates his racism fully...he does not belong in any debate...fucking media better wake up and realize that or they are enabling racism.

I detest this man as much as the Cruzs and Palins....the fucking media.

[hack89]

14. But the per capita murder rates between the races is not equal

Blacks are disportionately more likely to become murder victims.

[SweetieD]

17. Before Mike Brown was killed there were no homocides in Ferguson in 2014.

So the whole premise has nothing to do with Wilson killing Brown.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. How many black police officers kill white civilians?

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Mark Twain

[Wella]

20. The statistics bear Giuliani out: there IS more black on black crime--but there are causes for that

And the implication is NOT that some people are "animals" but that poverty, joblessness, drug gangs, and crime can create situations in which moral behavior is not rewarded and immoral behavior is seen as the only option. It's not about race, it's about economic deprivation and crime-ridden neighborhoods.

[jillan]

21. One thing has nothing to do with another. It is so infuriating that they are getting away with this.

This what it sounds like to me -
Most of the oranges I buy lately haven't been sweet. But the real problem is why bananas bruise so easily.

It's that ridiculous!!


And the media lets them get away with it.

[Demsrule86]

22. No different than what the Germans did to the Jews

First they dehumanized them and then they killed them....these cops are brown shirts for sure.