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marmar

(77,072 posts)
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:19 AM Nov 2014

John Nichols: An Inconvenient Political Truth: That St. Louis Prosecutor Is a Democrat


from The Nation:



St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch’s handling of the Michael Brown shooting case has inspired a storm of controversy.

After a grand jury refused to bring charges against Ferguson, Missouri, police officer Darren Wilson in the August 9 shooting death of the African-American teenager, an attorney for the Brown family told the Associated Press, “We said from the very beginning that the decision of this grand jury was going to be the direct reflection of the presentation of the evidence by the prosecutor’s office.”

Long criticized for failing to adequately investigate complaints about the police, and for failing to demand accountability in cases of officer-involved shootings, McCulloch’s approach to the grand jury inquiry was the subject of concern from the start. And the prosecutor sparked anger at the finish by delaying the announcement of the grand jury’s decision deep into Monday evening. The prosecutor seized his prime-time platform to delivera rambling and frequently defensive forty-five-minute speech. He went on and on about aspects of the case. Yet he failed to mention that Brown was unarmed when he was killed.

.....(snip).....

What has not been much discussed is the fact that McCulloch is a Democrat—a member of the same party as President Obama, Missouri Governor Jay Nixon and Congressional Black Caucus chair Marcia Fudge, the Ohioan who on Monday evening referred to the failure to bring charges against Wilson as “a slap in the face to Americans nationwide who continue to hope and believe that justice will prevail.”

Across America, counties elect top law-enforcement officials as state’s attorneys, district attorneys and prosecuting attorneys. Hundreds of them are Democrats. Some, like Kings County (Brooklyn) District Attorney Ken Thompson and Bronx County District Attorney Robert T. Johnson, have impressed progressives by taking bold stands and developing innovative policies on everything from the drug war to the death penalty to gun violence and domestic abuse. Former San Francisco District Attorney Terence Hallinan, a “wild Irish rogue” who was arrested sixteen times as a civil rights campaigner before his election to the DA post, often clashed with the police on accountability issues during his tenure. ..............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.thenation.com/blog/191593/inconvenient-political-truth-st-louis-prosecutor-democrat



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John Nichols: An Inconvenient Political Truth: That St. Louis Prosecutor Is a Democrat (Original Post) marmar Nov 2014 OP
No Democrat I want to associate with. hobbit709 Nov 2014 #1
According to some DU members, that means that what he did was OK. Scuba Nov 2014 #2
I bet there are even some Democratics that are racist.....really, some are. Just like some support Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #4
The party is largely right wing, distorted by the other major party being radically regressive TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #8
+1 It's been a slow move but we have arrived... SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #26
We did used to be Dem UNDERGROUND but we were thrown under the bus in 2008. kickysnana Nov 2014 #11
"if only those Ferguson people would have voted!1" m-lekktor Nov 2014 #15
The party and anywhere the party meets to discuss things, or they are undercover Rovian's NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #28
For that matter, Gov. Jay Nixon is a Democrat, as is Senator KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #3
That excuses nothing libodem Nov 2014 #5
White people, including Democrats, tend to be badge sniffers. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #6
+1 gollygee Nov 2014 #17
More succinctly, alot of white people "close ranks" regardless of political affiliation Number23 Nov 2014 #42
Who gives a shit. Iggo Nov 2014 #7
So you recognize the "inconvenience" of learning that some that claim to be Democrats rhett o rick Nov 2014 #31
Exactly. Nothing "inconvenient" at all about that. BFD. Stupid distraction. Cha Nov 2014 #40
it would be inconvenient if people were going around trying to make it about partisan politics unblock Nov 2014 #9
I know.. surprised at John Nichols on this. Bob McCulloch is a slimey pos I don't care what letter Cha Nov 2014 #41
Police blue trumped Democratic blue. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #10
Mr. Nichols seems to miss the point Bettie Nov 2014 #12
Actually, I think that is his point if you read the article. marmar Nov 2014 #13
Just realized that, I was confusing him with someone else Bettie Nov 2014 #16
"If you are wrong, it doesn't matter if you are of our party, we'll still say you are wrong" FiveGoodMen Nov 2014 #23
Liberals might need a place to meet and discuss things where rightwingers wont be tolerated NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #29
A (D) by a name does not a liberal make. tblue Nov 2014 #14
I'm not Republican; I want corruption investigated REGARDLESS of party. IdaBriggs Nov 2014 #18
He should be disbarred. Faryn Balyncd Nov 2014 #19
John Nichols might consider this POS a Democrat, and he might call himself... 99Forever Nov 2014 #20
I have something to say. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #21
He even makes the much-despised Third-Wayers look like bleeding hearts. nt Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #22
Having a D next to your name does not make one immune to racism and corruption. Marrah_G Nov 2014 #24
I would never defend anyone just because of a D after their name. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #25
When have I ever held back just because someone had a (D) beside their name? dawg Nov 2014 #27
So, please. help me out here sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #30
You got it. Unfortunately, that doesn't cut it mmonk Nov 2014 #38
He has no future in this party now, so expect him to switch at some point. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #32
Hope you are right but the Jack in the Box shooting was foreshadowing of this lostnfound Nov 2014 #35
du rec. xchrom Nov 2014 #33
I hate to admit this, but it really does show, that not every Democrat is a liberal. nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #34
here's the interesting part... Enrique Nov 2014 #36
Quite interesting.. 2banon Nov 2014 #43
He might call himself a democrat onecaliberal Nov 2014 #37
I knew that and I say.. "so the fuck what?".. Fucking irrelevant to prosecutorial misconduct. Cha Nov 2014 #39
He calls himself a Demcrat Demsrule86 Nov 2014 #44
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. According to some DU members, that means that what he did was OK.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:21 AM
Nov 2014

Our party is infested with right-wingers. McCulloch's just the latest example.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. I bet there are even some Democratics that are racist.....really, some are. Just like some support
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:25 AM
Nov 2014

the NRA, it is sadly true.

And Landreiu, what can you say about her?

Maybe we need litmus tests also, supporting efforts against climate change and protecting the environment, not being a racist, must be among them

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
8. The party is largely right wing, distorted by the other major party being radically regressive
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:30 AM
Nov 2014

You could replace the most right wing governing level party in any country in the developed world with our "liberal" party and they would be more regressive as a nation rather than less while our "pony demanding fringe" would be mostly middle of the road moderates in sane places in the west.

kickysnana

(3,908 posts)
11. We did used to be Dem UNDERGROUND but we were thrown under the bus in 2008.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:41 AM
Nov 2014


It was at the time that the Solidarity smiley disappeared, election fraud was relegated to the dungeon, and progressives were run out of GD.

Sadly, still the best place for news and analysis. But we only get 60% overtly now ie OP posts. (looking for and not finding a glass half full smiley.)

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
15. "if only those Ferguson people would have voted!1"
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:48 AM
Nov 2014

because getting out to vote for a Democrat will solve everything.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
28. The party and anywhere the party meets to discuss things, or they are undercover Rovian's
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 04:16 PM
Nov 2014

out to disrupt.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
3. For that matter, Gov. Jay Nixon is a Democrat, as is Senator
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:22 AM
Nov 2014

Claire McCaskill (who signed off publicly on McCulloch presiding over the case).

It's really disgusting (to put it mildly). Makes me question whether Howard Dean's so-called '50-state strategy' was really worth it. If one loses one soul in order to gain power, was what is gained worth what was lost?

libodem

(19,288 posts)
5. That excuses nothing
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:28 AM
Nov 2014

Has no one ever heard of DINO? Especially in the south after LBJ signed in civil rights, we lost their democrats. They are deeply afraid and deeply prejudiced.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
42. More succinctly, alot of white people "close ranks" regardless of political affiliation
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 08:15 PM
Nov 2014

when one of their own is threatened. This is something that every black person in the world has noted and is one of the many reasons that many blacks don't see much difference between white liberals and conservatives when it comes to race issues.

This article is astounding in that there are some people here who seem to be a) surprised at being reminded that McCullough was a Dem as if that is just so terribly jarring for them or b) who feel that this is an instance of "right wing infiltration of the Dem party" instead of white people -- left and right -- doing what they've historically done when it comes to race issues.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
31. So you recognize the "inconvenience" of learning that some that claim to be Democrats
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 04:37 PM
Nov 2014

can have the same world view as conservative Republicans? "Who gives a shit?" I do. I think it's time to chase the conservatives in our party back to the Republican Party where they belong.

"This ain't about that." You wish.

unblock

(52,191 posts)
9. it would be inconvenient if people were going around trying to make it about partisan politics
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:36 AM
Nov 2014

but all i've heard is complaints about racism and injustice and such. i haven't heard people trying to use this specific case to specifically talk about republicans vs. democrats. except this article, of course.

in any event, while i don't know mcculloch's politics, it's not uncommon for prosecutors or otherwise politically ambitious lawyers to choose their party affiliation based on their own career prospects rather than anything to do with any personal ideology.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
41. I know.. surprised at John Nichols on this. Bob McCulloch is a slimey pos I don't care what letter
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 08:11 PM
Nov 2014

he has after his name.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
12. Mr. Nichols seems to miss the point
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:43 AM
Nov 2014

If you are wrong, it doesn't matter if you are of our party, we'll still say you are wrong.

If you are a racist and of our party, we'll still call you out on it.

Right wingers don't get that because they will close ranks on their people and declare them 100% in the right in almost every situation.

It doesn't matter if he's a Democrat, if he's wrong, he's still wrong.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
16. Just realized that, I was confusing him with someone else
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:50 AM
Nov 2014

It has already been a long week and I'm coffee deficient yet this morning...read two articles and mixed them up.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
23. "If you are wrong, it doesn't matter if you are of our party, we'll still say you are wrong"
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 03:01 PM
Nov 2014

Unfortunately, there are groups at this site whose daily thread contributions refute that.

Indeed, DU official policy sometimes takes a dim view of calling out those who declare themselves to be on our side.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
14. A (D) by a name does not a liberal make.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 11:48 AM
Nov 2014

There are countless Democrats I have no use for. But I guess it's their right to join the party. You can't kick anybody out.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
18. I'm not Republican; I want corruption investigated REGARDLESS of party.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 12:12 PM
Nov 2014

I don't care WHAT he calls himself - I expect him to DO HIS JOB. His team failed to do so in spectacular fashion, and in this one case they are experiencing significant oversight.

What the heck else has this man been doing when people weren't watching so closely?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
20. John Nichols might consider this POS a Democrat, and he might call himself...
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 12:27 PM
Nov 2014

... a Democrat, but I sure as fuck don't.

Furthermore, if this is what passes for a Democrat these days, perhaps it's time to change my party affiliation. Where are the NATIONAL Democratic leaders standing up to this clear violation of We the People's basic human rights?

Hillary?

Barack?

Harry?

Nancy?

Any of you got something to say?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
21. I have something to say.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 02:41 PM
Nov 2014

You are stepping on some people's reality with no regard to the harm you might cause. They have carefully crafted a denial bubble reality and posters like yourself have the audacity to come along, haphazardly throwing truths here and there, disturbing their bubbles. IMHO they were raised to follow authority and never question it. They've made it easy for themselves to tell the good guys from bad guys. All people that say they are Democrats are good, period. If Chris Christie became a Democrat, they wouldn't bat an eye and follow him across the bridge of conservativeness.

What's worse than DINO's? Those that think the DINO'S are legitimate Democrats.

There are two Democratic Parties, one that's owned by the Ruling Oligarchs (and their lemming followers) and those grassroots Democrats that hold out for leaders with integrity.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
25. I would never defend anyone just because of a D after their name.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 04:08 PM
Nov 2014

This person is disgusting. There are even more D's that are fake assholes and disgusting in their own special way but still overall, when you take the average and moosh them all up, it comes out much better than those other assholes with an R branded on their buttocks.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
27. When have I ever held back just because someone had a (D) beside their name?
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 04:13 PM
Nov 2014

Never! That's when.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
30. So, please. help me out here
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 04:21 PM
Nov 2014

If gov.Nixon or DA McCulloch would get the nomination of the
Democratic Party, we on this site by the rules should vote
for either one of them?

Geez, I am glad that I am just a democrat with a small d.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
38. You got it. Unfortunately, that doesn't cut it
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 07:26 PM
Nov 2014

for me. As a gerrymandered voter now, I no longer have to pay the Blue Dogs and Third Wayers no mind anymore.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
32. He has no future in this party now, so expect him to switch at some point.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 04:44 PM
Nov 2014

And Republicans, of course, will welcome him with open arms as they do all criminals and sociopaths.

lostnfound

(16,171 posts)
35. Hope you are right but the Jack in the Box shooting was foreshadowing of this
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 06:36 PM
Nov 2014

He already lied to a grand jury to help cops avoid indictment for killing unarmed black men, in parking lot of a Jack in the Box.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
36. here's the interesting part...
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 06:47 PM
Nov 2014

this is about the Nov. 4 elections:

In the contest for county executive, a number of leading African-American political figures rejected the Democratic nominee backed by McCulloch and endorsed the Republican, who attracted substantial African-American support and lost by just 1 percent of the vote. The Republican, veteran state legislator Rick Stream, was not a progressive by any means. But he reached out to the African-American community in suburban St. Louis, listened and made commitments. In return, he was backed by a number of African-American Democrats, led by State Senator Maria Chapelle-Nadal, St. Louis County Council Chair Hazel Erby and the Fannie Lou Hamer Democratic Coalition.

In announcing the endorsement, Erby specifically criticized Democrat Steve Stenger’s “unbreakable alignment with Bob McCulloch.”

For his part, Republican Stream declared, “Mr. McCulloch had a chance to step aside and frankly it would have removed all doubt about having a fair and independent investigation.” The Republican went further, endorsing a proposal to name special prosecutors to handle all cases of officer-involved shootings. He also campaigned in the African-American community and promised to promote diversity in his appointments.

That wasn’t enough to reverse voting patterns altogether. But it shook the process up; for instance, the Democratic vote for county executive in Ferguson dropped twenty points, from 2010 to 2014. “There was a significant falling off of Democratic performance at the top of the ticket,” said Mike Jones, an ally of the coalition effort. “And you have to argue that didn’t happen by accident.”
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
43. Quite interesting..
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 08:23 PM
Nov 2014

remind me again when the shooting took place? Thanks for posting this news factoid by the way..

onecaliberal

(32,816 posts)
37. He might call himself a democrat
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 07:15 PM
Nov 2014

But he damn sure isn't one, any more than people on the right who call themselves Christians actually are. He's precisely the kind of people that need to go.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
39. I knew that and I say.. "so the fuck what?".. Fucking irrelevant to prosecutorial misconduct.
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 08:06 PM
Nov 2014

It's not inconvenient. BFD.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
44. He calls himself a Demcrat
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 09:43 PM
Nov 2014

You can call yourself a Democrat...Jay Nixon is a Democrat too supposedly...no my sort...racist both of them.

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