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EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:42 PM Apr 2012

If you only watch Amy's show once this year, watch today's.

The topic is government surveillance and her guests are first rate. So much information, you may have to watch it twice.

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Exclusive: National Security Agency Whistleblower William Binney on Growing State Surveillance

In his first television interview since he resigned from the National Security Agency over its domestic surveillance program, William Binney discusses the NSA’s massive power to spy...
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Detained In The U.S.: Filmmaker Laura Poitras Held, Questioned Some 40 Times At U.S. Airports

The Academy Award-nominated filmmaker Laura Poitras discusses how she has been repeatedly detained and questioned by federal agents whenever she enters the United States. Poitras said the...
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"We Do Not Live in a Free Country": Jacob Appelbaum on Being Target of Widespread Gov’t Surveillance

We speak with Jacob Appelbaum, a computer researcher who has faced a stream of interrogations and electronic surveillance since he volunteered with the whistleblowing website, WikiLeaks....
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Whistleblower: The NSA Is Lying–U.S. Government Has Copies of Most Of Your Emails

http://www.democracynow.org/

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If you only watch Amy's show once this year, watch today's. (Original Post) EFerrari Apr 2012 OP
Should be waiting for me on my DVR when I get home. Thanks for the heads up. Erose999 Apr 2012 #1
Transcripts are up for parts 1 and 2. (Parts 3 & 4 will be up soon.) Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #2
i was actually just casting about for the next podcast to listen to! nashville_brook Apr 2012 #3
I learned so much today. EFerrari Apr 2012 #4
If you seriously look for good things to listen to, check out these tech3149 Apr 2012 #10
I'll second those recommendations, and add Dave Emory bananas Apr 2012 #17
thanks for these recommendations -- i'll check them out! nashville_brook Apr 2012 #32
Thanks Gregorian Apr 2012 #5
I hope you get a chance to watch this. EFerrari Apr 2012 #8
I've downloaded and will watch it just as soon as my favorite Belgium punk show ends. Gregorian Apr 2012 #16
Transcripts for parts 3 & 4 are up. Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #6
Problem is, younger people have never had better, this is their normal, EFerrari Apr 2012 #7
Thanks. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #9
Some excerpt from the William Binney segment Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #11
What blew me away was when he said that Poindexter was pushed out EFerrari Apr 2012 #12
I give up. Who is Amy? nt hvn_nbr_2 Apr 2012 #13
Amy Goodman hosts Democracy Now! every morning EFerrari Apr 2012 #14
Thanks. For whatever reason, I thought she was only on the radio. hvn_nbr_2 Apr 2012 #18
She's on DISH and DirecTV. I believe there is a finder on her site EFerrari Apr 2012 #20
Amy Goodman Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #15
It's the military, stupid. Gregorian Apr 2012 #19
Here: Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #21
And not just him. How many politicians are effectively lying via simply evading questions. Gregorian Apr 2012 #23
Excellent Aerows Apr 2012 #22
i watched it twice yesterday. unbelievable that this is what is happening in this country xiamiam Apr 2012 #24
too many people with jobs in homeland security, defense, that budget needs to be cut xiamiam Apr 2012 #25
Thanks! Solly Mack Apr 2012 #26
AMY GOODMAN is the BEST. I hope she works until she's 100. vanlassie Apr 2012 #27
Yes Indeed! CanSocDem Apr 2012 #28
i posted this the other day and it was locked and suggested it belonged it creative speculation xiamiam Apr 2012 #31
I just finished watching the video...WOW! snappyturtle Apr 2012 #33
K & R n/t malaise Apr 2012 #29
The same government that completely ignored the Constitution kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #30

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
4. I learned so much today.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:13 PM
Apr 2012

Didn't know about the TOR Project or about Rise Up or about the Feds taking their server this week. Amazing stuff.

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
10. If you seriously look for good things to listen to, check out these
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:06 PM
Apr 2012

WBAI: Law and Disorder, Guns and Butter, Wake up Call, Background Briefing, Law and Disorder, and others for cultural and artistic interest.
KPFK: Connect the Dots, Sojourner Truth, Uprising, World Focus, Letters And Politics, The Lawyers Guild, Politics or Pedagogy.
KEXP: Mind over Matters
WNUR: This IS Hell, I love this one! They do a four hour format (unless cut short by college sports) with long format interviews of people you rarely hear from, and by the way really know the subjects they discuss. They do some snark and fun stuff between segments that gives you a chance to absorb what you've heard or take a leak. They are a bit slow in posting the archives so I make it a point to listen live (10:00 AM EST Saturdays but they generally start late, this is college radio but the show's been going for decades)

I hope anyone who checks out my recommendations will provide some feedback as to what they think. I'm pretty much a drive-by-poster but I'll keep a lookout for this thread.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
17. I'll second those recommendations, and add Dave Emory
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:44 PM
Apr 2012

weekly podcast available from wfmu: http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX

IIRC, This is Hell used to dump the 4-hour podcast as a single file,
he broke it up into segments split over several days at the request of listeners.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
5. Thanks
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:18 PM
Apr 2012

Censorship and security laws and drug wars, etc. are all tools to limit choice.

All we have as human beings is choice. Limiting that is the way the evil opponent gains power.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
8. I hope you get a chance to watch this.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:46 PM
Apr 2012

The NSA whistleblower is very impressive and Jacob speaks very clearly about tech matters.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
16. I've downloaded and will watch it just as soon as my favorite Belgium punk show ends.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:36 PM
Apr 2012

I've had to leave the country for good radio. On the internet that is. Not actually leaving. Although that is still on my mind.

And I agree with what you said below. Those who know no better don't have a reference. Just like how I can't drive through the valley of death (Bay Area) any more. I still have my milk crate from the Edelweiss dairy in Milpitas. It was very nice once upon a time. Yet the kids don't know that.

The bottom line that I look at is an overall view. I see America in decline. And I see no end in sight. I watch Britain, and I use them as an indicator. Down, down, down. Now France is somewhat different. I don't know why. But they stand up to power. And they didn't have to draw curtains to avoid the people from seeing an empire of evil deeds. Britain and the US have had to do that. Put the people to sleep. Use tv shows like COPS and Baywatch and pretty much any of the shit on commercial tv. In fact, just the commercials themselves. Lull the masses into stupidity.

I have approximately zero hope for this country. Tons of potential. But sadly little of it being used.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
6. Transcripts for parts 3 & 4 are up.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:21 PM
Apr 2012

The next person who asserts that we do not live in a police state can take a flying fuck at the moooooooon.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
7. Problem is, younger people have never had better, this is their normal,
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:45 PM
Apr 2012

and those of us who remember "better" have a hard time wrapping our heads around it, imho.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
11. Some excerpt from the William Binney segment
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:07 PM
Apr 2012

WILLIAM BINNEY:
So—but after 9/11, all the wraps came off for NSA, and they decided to—between the White House and NSA and CIA, they decided to eliminate the protections on U.S. citizens and collect on domestically. So they started collecting from a commercial—the one commercial company that I know of that participated provided over 300—probably, on the average, about 320 million records of communication of a U.S. citizen to a U.S. citizen inside this country.

AMY GOODMAN: What company?

WILLIAM BINNEY: AT&T. It was long-distance communications. So they were providing billing data. At that point, I knew I could not stay, because it was a direct violation of the constitutional rights of everybody in the country. Plus it violated the pen register law and Stored Communications Act, the Electronic Privacy Act, the intelligence acts of 1947 and 1978. I mean, it was just this whole series of—plus all the laws covering federal communications governing telecoms. I mean, all those laws were being violated, including the Constitution. And that was a decision made that wasn’t going to be reversed, so I could not stay there. I had to leave.

...

AMY GOODMAN: When was your home raided?

WILLIAM BINNEY: Twenty-sixth of July of 2007.

AMY GOODMAN: What happened? Where did you

WILLIAM BINNEY:
I should—I should say that it was the morning of the second day after Gonzales’s testimony, the then-Attorney General Gonzales’s testimony, to the Senate Judiciary Committee on the TSP, the—what was called the TSP, which I refer to as a fabricated plan. It was created to cover a number of plans, one of which was Stellar Wind, and the others—which they didn’t want to discuss. And the others were wiretapping. And so, they picked on the wiretapping ones, because the public would generally say, "Yes, anybody that was potentially a terrorist, a foreign terrorist, communicating with anybody in the United States, we want you to monitor their communications." So that was the acceptable part of it. But it was grouped with Stellar Wind and some other programs, so that they could give cover to it, talk about some programs, say they’re talking about the Terrorist Surveillance Program, but it was basically a group of programs, some of which they did not want to talk about. And he did not testify to that at the—and I believe some of the—Whitehouse and Feingold, I think, were the two who were on the Senate Intelligence Committee that did challenge him at the time, saying he wasn’t being truthful, and that was—he wasn’t being completely honest. So...

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
12. What blew me away was when he said that Poindexter was pushed out
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:11 PM
Apr 2012

as a trial balloon over Total Information Awareness because they were already doing what Poindexter was presenting as a new program.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,485 posts)
18. Thanks. For whatever reason, I thought she was only on the radio.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 04:15 PM
Apr 2012

Obviously, I don't watch much TV. If I had looked at the link, I'd have known, but links usually appear to me as just a blue haze that I don't look at very closely.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
20. She's on DISH and DirecTV. I believe there is a finder on her site
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:25 PM
Apr 2012

so you can check and see where to catch the show in your community.

Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
15. Amy Goodman
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 03:34 PM
Apr 2012


"a daily independent global news hour
With Amy Goodman & Juan González"



If you click on the link you will see her name at the top.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
19. It's the military, stupid.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:02 PM
Apr 2012

If anyone only watches the last ten minutes, they'll get the message.

The head of the NSA is more powerful than Obama. In his uniform, I was reminded of Nazi Germany.

We've slid into the darkness America. Without an intelligent fight from the American people, these evil people will take over our country. Freedom is lost.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
21. Here:
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:31 PM
Apr 2012
WILLIAM BINNEY: Well, he also said things like, "We don’t collect" — or, "We don’t collect against U.S. citizens unless we have a warrant." And then, at the same time, he said that we don’t—at the same interview, he said, "We don’t have the capability to collect inside this country." Well, those are kind of contradictory.

AMY GOODMAN: Is he lying? Is General Keith Alexander lying?

WILLIAM BINNEY: I wouldn’t—you know, the point is how you split the words. I wouldn’t say "lying." It’s a kind of avoiding the issue.

AMY GOODMAN: Jacob Appelbaum, how does this relate to you? And how powerful is General Keith Alexander?

JACOB APPELBAUM:
I was saying to Bill that I think he’s probably the most powerful person in the world, in the sense that—

AMY GOODMAN: More powerful than President Obama?

JACOB APPELBAUM:
Well, sure. I mean, if he controls the information that arrives on Obama’s desk, and Obama makes decisions based on the things on his desk, what decisions can he make, if—except the decisions presented to him by the people he trusts? And when the people he trusts are the military, the military makes the decisions, then the civilian government is not actually in power.

AMY GOODMAN: Bill Binney, you’re nodding your head.

WILLIAM BINNEY: Yes. I mean, well, for example, their responsibility is to interpret what they have and report up echelon. So, I mean, that’s the responsibility of all the intelligence agencies. So, they basically filter the information to what they believe is important, which is what they should do, because, you know, they’re occupying—it takes time for leaders to review material to make decisions. So they have to boil it down as best they can. So it’s a function of their processing, but it is important that they do it correctly to make sure the information that gets there is correct and complete as it can.

AMY GOODMAN:
Is General Alexander more powerful than President Obama?

WILLIAM BINNEY:
In the sense of making—of presenting information for decision making, sure.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And Laura, the impact on journalists, who have to go through what you go—you’ve gone through the last few years, just to be able to report what’s going on with our government? The chilling effect that this has on—maybe not on you, but on many other journalists?

LAURA POITRAS:
Sure. I mean, I feel like I can’t talk about the work that I do in my home, in my place of work, on my telephone, and sometimes in my country. So the chilling effect is huge. It’s enormous.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
23. And not just him. How many politicians are effectively lying via simply evading questions.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:23 PM
Apr 2012

I know, it has been this way since the beginning of time. But we're trying to make a better world. Isn't that the bottom line.

Persecuting these whistleblowers is just part of their scheme.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
24. i watched it twice yesterday. unbelievable that this is what is happening in this country
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:32 AM
Apr 2012

I think this is what everyone here should be talking about instead of polls and zimmerman and limbaugh or palin or romney..this is what we need to stop, collectively. For the record, Obama is part of the problem, imo

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
25. too many people with jobs in homeland security, defense, that budget needs to be cut
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:37 AM
Apr 2012

we are bcoming our worst nightmare

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
31. i posted this the other day and it was locked and suggested it belonged it creative speculation
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:46 PM
Apr 2012

one du-er didn't even watch it but had opinions about it..think he is the one who alerted although i cant be sure..creative speculation, indeed..

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
33. I just finished watching the video...WOW!
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 01:58 PM
Apr 2012

There were aspects of it I am aware of but the strength
of the video is the fitting of the puzzle pieces together.
Thank you so much for posting. I am going to forward
this to my email list and on my FB page.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
30. The same government that completely ignored the Constitution
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:02 PM
Apr 2012

, and FISA statue law, by spying on everyone without warrants, and tried to keep it a secret forever, it STILL lying to us about how much surveillance it conducts and records on us???

I'm SHOCKED!

let's face reality. Our government has turned a corner down a dark avenue and you will never be able to trust it about anything ever again. It lies as part of its nature and regards citizens as enemies that must be kept in the dark as far as possible.

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