Not a fan of white people. Am i 'self loathing'??

[Garion_55]

First off. Half irish half swedish. I dont tan. Im white or im sunburnt. Thats it. My legs glow in the dark 8-(

When i was ten I moved from super white st paul minnesota to San Jose california. I was too young for any culture shock but anyone who has ever been through san jose knows its about as far away from white st paul as you can get. There I was the minority.

So i grew up around mostly asian hispanic black and a few of us pale skins.

Now that I've traveled pretty far in this life I find myself not being a real fan of people of my same shade in general, as a people, as a community. Sure you find great people of every race color creed and gender as you progress. But you also find a lot of dicks.

I find myself siding more with the plight of darker skin folk. I see and understand the hardships they go through as i grew up around people who went through them myself. Half my friends from high school are either dead in jail or facing struggles.

When i express those feelings, when i side with the michael browns and the black underclass and the injustices and racism they face every single day from people that look like me, im often accused of being someone who is 'self loathing'

I dont like the actions of the white race in general because i dont like the fact im white apparently.

The only thing i really dont like personally about being white is that i sunburn like a bitch and if i dont have sunscreen with me i cant spend 6 hours in the blazing sun inter-tubing down a river with my friends. Thats it really.

I'm not sure thats enough to make me 'self-loathing' though.

But if it is, so be it. It doesnt change the fact that I know in my heart that people who dont look like me are going to grow up and face 10 times the hardships that someone like me will. Someone like me who is 12 years old and playing with a BB gun will at least be given a chance to show a cop that its just a bb gun before he pulls his out and blows me away.

Watching people on social media the last week, I wish a lot more white people were as 'self-loathing' as me.

Justice for brown and black!!

[raging moderate]

1. Thank you.

Out of words. Glad you're not.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

2. It is almost as if a white person in America has some sort of privilege

[cali]

3. I don't know, but I don't think 10 is too young for culture shock at all.

Here's what I do believe: I believe judging people on the color of their skin is flat out wrong. Sorry. One can find "dicks" in every culture.

As far as siding with the oppressed, plenty of us do without declaring that we don't like white people.

Yes, justice for people of color, but without disliking any other race.

I want to add this: I don't think it's that you're not a "fan of white people". I think it's more that you're not a fan of the dominant white culture in this country.

[lumberjack_jeff]

6. +1 n/t

[Scuba]

27. As usual, cali, you've said it better than I can.

[Jackpine Radical]

30. Yeah. That's pretty much it.

I don't like dickheads.

Race got nothing to do with it. I do acknowledge a sort of xenophilia--I find myself intrigued by all the various ways of being human.

[RKP5637]

31. Well said!!!! n/t

[CrispyQ]

36. Back before Dennis Miller tilted right, he did a rant where he said,

"It's stupid to hate people for the color of their skin, when if you just talk to them for 5 minutes, you'll find plenty of valid reasons to hate them."

[Eleanors38]

54. Good 'nuff.

[Enrique]

4. well, it wouldn't be self-loathing

because I'm sure you consider yourself to be "one of the good ones". Like sometimes people who have ideas about my ethnicity tell me i'm "one of the good ones".

[RiverLover]

5. What I want to know is,

I feel guilty when I see or talk to blacks now. For ex, on Weds, I was at a grocery store behind a nice looking black family, mom, dad, toddler & baby. I started talking to the husband holding the baby & his wife wouldn't make eye contact with me. It could have been over something else, but I could -feel- her rage & I'm thinking it was rightfully over Ferguson.

I wanted to apologize to them on behalf of whites! Tell them that myself & many others are on their side.

Would this have pissed them off, talking about it with strangers who are black?

[Garion_55]

10. right wingers would say that you have 'white guilt'

or something.

i totally understand how you feel 100%. i would look at that same family and sympathize with them wishing they had it as easy as i would in this life knowing that they wont simply because of how much sunlight is reflected back off their skin.


when the lights go out, we are all the same color

[RiverLover]

16. "when the lights go out, we are all the same color"

Yes, its that simple. Great post.

[2banon]

40. "White Guilt" is a common complaint (and ridicule) from AA community.

not without cause or justification, but that's the place I hear the tag referenced all the time.

[ileus]

7. this guy feels the same way.

Funniest movie of all time...

[Fumesucker]

8. What you don't like is the majority culture, I can't say I'm all that fond of it either

White Americans are probably some of the most heavily propagandized human beings on the planet, the propaganda is so pervasive, constant and cunningly designed to play to our prejudices that a lot of us don't even see it at all, we just think we came up with these stupid ideas all by ourselves.

[Euphoria]

68. Sooo right!

[MineralMan]

9. I don't know when you moved from St. Paul, MN, but

its demographics are far from "super white," as you put it. Here's the demographic information from the 2010 census, as digested on Wikipedia:

2010 census[edit]
As of the census[2] of 2010, there were 285,068 people, 111,001 households, and 59,689 families residing in the city. The population density was 5,484.2 inhabitants per square mile (2,117.5/km2). There were 120,795 housing units at an average density of 2,323.9 per square mile (897.3/km2). The racial makeup of the city was 60.1% White, 15.7% African American, 1.1% Native American, 15.0% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 3.9% from other races, and 4.2% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 9.6% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Paul,_Minnesota#2010_census

Maybe you lived in a neighborhood that wasn't all that diverse. I don't know. I've put the largest population groups in boldfacing in the excerpt above.

I move from California to St. Paul in 2004, and one of the first things I noticed here was its diversity.

[Garion_55]

12. we moved from st paul in the early 1970's

and yeah our neighborhood from what i remember was 100% white.

[MineralMan]

14. I don't have demographic numbers from the 1970 census,

but it may well be that your view was limited, due to your age. My neighborhood is about 50% Hmong. St. Paul is a very diverse city, throughout, but there are a few neighborhoods that are populated mainly with white people. Most of the city, though, shows more diversity than many other cities do.

[Sivafae]

44. Really? You call that diverse? 60% white. You make me laugh.

Try this link.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0617918.html

[whathehell]

11. I.think you're just not a fan of conservative white folks...

Beyond that I think it's dumb to evaluate someone's worth on their body color or construction.

[Nye Bevan]

13. Anyone who says "I don't like (insert color here) people" is a racist (nt)

[cali]

15. I don't think the op came off as racist. I think the op didn't express him/herself well

it's pretty clear to me that the op is talking about the dominant white culture.

[Garion_55]

17. that is correct.

tried as much as i could to make that obvious without actually using the words. 8-)

[babylonsister]

53. That's what I surmised, too. nt

[LostInAnomie]

22. +1

[darkangel218]

34. I agree. nt

[onecaliberal]

18. I think the thing is

White privilege that I most dislike. The fact that so many whites refuse to acknowledge that it even exists. The other thing that I truly find abhorrent is the whites calling themselves Christians on the right side of the isle. You'd be hard pressed to find a real one.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

19. No, just dumb.

[RandySF]

20. I've said this before as a white person and I'll say it again..

White people in San Francisco are the most boring people I've ever met.

[HappyMe]

21. I didn't realize that as a white person

I was expected to be a big 'fan' of white people. I also don't understand why people are proud to be white - it isn't as if it is a big accomplishment.

[Rex]

23. I'm a white privileged male and I am not so fond of the human race.

IF we survive the next 200 years, it will be a small miracle imo.

[cali]

24. I have mixed feelings about us, but I agree about our trajectory.

[Rex]

25. Human life seems to be worthless to the majority of humans imo.

Sure societies pretend it is sacrosanct, then we get pissed off and go to war killing millions in the process. "Thou shall not kill" is the biggest joke ever. Dubya lowered the bar in Iraq for America imo. Proved that life is meaningless to the PTB. I don't think Obama feels that way, but we all know the GOP looks at life like it is worthless.

[Garion_55]

26. you guys nailed it

i figured by now as a species we would have a base on the moon with missions to mars. we should be exploring the galaxy full steam. intead it looks like we might have gone as far as we are going during my lifetime and it makes me sad.

we dont seem to have any goals as a species. no plan. where do we expect to be in 100 years?

[Rex]

41. We were on track for most of that until JFK was assassinated.

Seems like America went to hell in a handbasket after they killed Kennedy.

[darkangel218]

28. "Not a fan of white people"???

Sorry, but you ARE racist.

That fucking simple.

Go back and read what you wrote.

Disgusting.

How would it look if someone said: Not a fan of black people. Or "not a fan of red people" or etc etc etc

Take your racism elsewhere!!!!

[pipi_k]

32. Wrong

If someone doesn't like his own race, that's not racism.


Racism is the belief that one's own race is superior to all other races...that all other races are inferior to one's own race.

[darkangel218]

33. Im sorry, but it IS racism.

If you judge people by their skin colour.

[pipi_k]

43. I don't think

you understand the concept of racism

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism



prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior
ˈ

The OP isn't saying other races are inferior to his own.

At most, he's saying he doesn't like his own race for whatever reason.

[Garion_55]

51. self-racist? lol

thats the point of this whole post actually.

the right wingers i argue against everyday cant call me a racist against my own people, doesnt really make sense, so they label me 'self loathing liberal' as a backup.

[pipi_k]

79. I know...

pretty stupid, isn't it?


And the thing is, you're not disliking white people for who, or what, they are.

You're disliking them for what they've done...which is a whole other thing.


There are times when I also dislike (very much) whites for what they did to the indigenous people of this country.

And there are even moments when I'm seriously hating the entire human race, and thinking that poor planet earth would be better off without us.

If someone wants to label all of that as "self loathing", I say, go wild...have at it...hope it makes 'em feel better.

[hlthe2b]

37. I think it may be you who needs to think about this long and hard.... eom

[DavidDvorkin]

38. Well said.

[Kali]

39. try reading past the subject line

[Garion_55]

42. i would be a fan

if we as a culture treated out darker skin brethren better.

i dont dislike the white culture i happen to be a part of because we are white, i dislike us because we dont treat everyone else like they were white too.

[Hoyt]

56. Not when it's synonymous for right wing haters.

[graegoyle]

29. Seems like you are simply not blind to injustice.

With a bit of sympathy and empathy mixed in.

[LittleBlue]

35. I dunno. For all the white atrocities, we've done pretty well

Face it, for all the evil and horrors we've inflicted upon the world, we've also brought unprecedented prosperity and safety. We're the reason that 99% of people are no longer peasant farmers who are serfs to manor lords. The lives of people before the Industrial Revolution were short and bleak. Common deaths were starvation from cyclical famine, death from a simple infection, smallpox, or perhaps your feudal lord didn't like the way you looked at him. At least now we live longer, feel some measure of safety and can own stuff, even if we've traded manor lords for corporations.

If we had never existed, the world would really suck much worse than it does today. I don't think you can say any race is good or bad, they're all just made up of individuals whose net impact can be positive or negative.

Boiling our entire race down to how a few police officers use deadly force is a harsh standard. No race can escape condemnation under such scrutiny.

[Sivafae]

45. Dude I don't think I would worry about it really.

Growing up in Daly City/San Francisco, I can tell you this; White people raised in a non-white dominant environment are pretty sensitive to the issues that other white people are (sometimes I think willfully) blind to.

And especially growing up when you did and with all the problems in the San Jose Police Department, I can see your concerns and where you are coming from. I just wouldn't worry about being prejudiced against white people. How is it racist if you are do not accept the behaviour of the dominant race culture for its racist beliefs and behaviour? Isn't that just over thinking it? Frankly, I don't think most people are willing to admit just how racist they are, whatever the race.

Do you apply these anti-white beliefs to individuals?<----this question I believe is the moral of the story.

[cherokeeprogressive]

46. Nicely done. Posts like this are excellent DU cred-builders. WTG.

You should declare your hatred for and ridicule of people of faith in the next post.

I see big things in your future here.

[LostInAnomie]

47. +1

Haha...

[Garion_55]

50. not once did i use the word 'hate'

i said 'dislike'

thats like a button on a facebook post 8-)

[LostInAnomie]

67. If you a willing to generalize whites and "the actions of the white race"...

... into something you are against, it isn't just "dislike".

[Garion_55]

75. distaste? dissappointment? disallusioned?

pretty much that.

[Tsiyu]

71. The poster who first responded just above

always talks about how DU sucks and how great his life is and how we should all be just like he is and then life will be right and red, white and blue and everything will be in its preordained position.

I like that you are exploring your own thoughts about things. I gave you an R.

As I tell the racists ( who are all around, in every town and city all across the world ) the fact is that 99.9% of the people who have beat me, cheated me, stolen from me and generally f'ed me over have been white people.

Has it been a struggle to not hate white people? On many days, to be honest, it has been.

You get hit with a white rock enough times, you learn to hate white rocks.

But there are good white people, too.

Thought provoking post - just ignore the PERMANENTLY OUTRAGED here.

You could quote Socrates or Shakespeare and they'd find a reason to hate you.

[LostInAnomie]

48. Why would it ever be acceptable to dislike people...

... based on skin color?

[babylonsister]

52. Not acceptable to thinking people, but

that IS what's going on.

[JC4145]

58. Apparently when disliked person is white?

[Garion_55]

76. not sure but im disliking because of systematic behavior

by the white dominant culture towards its minority citizens.

its not 'because they are white' its because 'they dont treat everyone else like they were white too'

[hfojvt]

49. I don't think most other white people look like me

I don't feel responsible for the actions of "white people in general"

whatever than means.

Nor do I think this "ten times the hardship" is very scientific. White people themselves face a whole spectrum of hardships. Some white people have it much tougher than others. There was one white twelve year old who was killed when some older black kids decided to beat the crap out of him. Most people, black or white, do not face that level of harship.

[oldandhappy]

55. not self loathing -- just honest and realistic

You 'see' and you question and you are open. White people have had the power and power corrupts and power exposes and power blinds. I wish I had some lovely philosophical sentences for you, but I do not. Hang in there. We need you.

[Hoyt]

57. Back when I was growing up, white wingers called you "____ lovers."

Don't worry about the crud they use today. And it's not racist to speak out against "white people" when anyone should know you mean your typical right wing racist. I understand exactly what you mean, because I am in a very red state.

[BlueStater]

60. I wasn't aware someone was supposed to have "fans" based on their skin color.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

66. Welcome to the social media-dominated world...

where race is reduced to likes/dislikes, fandom, and thumbs up/down.

Sigh. I miss the *old* DU.

[JEFF9K]

61. No culpability for buying your child a BB gun and not warning him ...

of the consequences of waving it around and pointing it at people? And ignoring police orders?

And this is assuming that the kid had no common sense of his own.

[Kalidurga]

63. You didn't watch the video

he was not waving it around he was playing with it the same way I have seen dozens of children play with bb guns. I did the same thing myself as a child after watching countless cop shows with my grandfather.

[JEFF9K]

69. I DID watch the video.

It's apparent that YOU DIDN'T!

When I was a kid there was only one person in the neighborhood that owned a BB gun. He used it for target practice in his basement under the supervision of his father.

[Tsiyu]

74. Are you honestly defending the death of that child?

TALK ABOUT DU SUCKAGE.....

may karma have her way with you

that is the most I will say here

[gollygee]

64. There was no time for any police orders

The drove up and immediately shot him. They didn't order anything. They just shot him. Right away.

[JEFF9K]

70. UNTRUE.

What is your motivation for lying?

Cleveland's legendary Supercop, Jim Simone, watched the video carefully and said that the shooting was justified!

[gollygee]

72. 1.5 seconds

from the time they got there till he was shot. Or are you being sarcastic? It's hard to tell.

[HappyMe]

73. Yeah, "legendary supercop".

That's just what we need.

[lumberjack_jeff]

62. There are three kinds of racism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism#Classification
(i) Personally mediated, (ii) internalized, and (iii) institutionalized

Yours would be an example of #2 and is a symptom of a people who can't understand anything other than the binary; e.g. "The antidote for the racism I dislike is to hate the other race."

Personally, I don't think it does anything to rectify the pressing problem of #3.

[AgingAmerican]

65. Skin color based blanket judgments are racist

Without exception.

[Mike Nelson]

77. I'm a fan of "good people"

...of all shades.

[BlueJazz]

78. As one who has been around just about every race and environment that's possible,..

..during my life. (Explanation: Was a Studio Musician, then went on the road, played in every dive and also expensive clubs...plus became a MCSE and fixed/fix computers in homes).

Anyway, I never developed a "Taste" for a certain race or culture. True, I didn't like the Indian culture, (Not American Indian) but I've even greatly softened my views on that...

Actually, I'm very lucky to have seen so many types of people and naturally, there's pricks in every culture....but mostly> pretty damn wonderful human beings.