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Sun Nov 30, 2014 at 04:21 AM PST
Cleveland policeman chases and apprehends boy with BB gun
by august88
On May 21, 2014, Cleveland police received reports of a man pointing a rifle at cars on Superior Avenue on Cleveland's East side. Officer Aaron Reese responded and gave chase on foot. Fortunately, the outcome for the boy and the patrolman is much different than is was for Tamir Rice and rookie officer Timothy Loehmann.
Superior Ave. and East 86th Street is located in a rough neighborhood on Cleveland's East side. According to news accounts I've seen over the past several years, that area is rife with gang activity.
Last May 21st Patrolman Aaron Reese received a call from Cleveland police dispatch that a man was observed pointing a rifle at motorists traveling on Superior Ave. near East 86th Street. When he arrived at the scene he exited his patrol car and approached the man who immediately fled. Officer Reese radioed in to dispatch as he gave chase:
“Send me another car, 86 and Superior, I have a male running north bound with a rifle.”
As he was running he yelled to the man to get down and to drop the weapon. The man stopped and followed the patrolman's orders. As Officer Reese was placing handcuffs on the suspect he noticed that the man's wrists were quite small. He then realized that he was dealing with a child.
Once the boy was apprehended and secured, Officer Reese inspected the rifle and discovered that it was a BB gun. He radioed in:
“Radio it was a BB gun, I’m OK,” and Cleveland dispatch relayed the information to the other units en route to the scene to assist with the dangerous situation. http://fox8.com/2014/11/28/boy-with-bb-gun-writes-apology-to-cleveland-police/
Officer Reese took the boy home to his parents who were unaware that he had been carrying a BB gun on Cleveland's streets. As they talked with the boy they learned that the BB gun belonged to his brother's friend.
Police decided not to file criminal charges against the boy but they wanted him to understand just how dangerous his actions were. He was ordered to write a letter telling them what he had learned from the incident. http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/11/28/heres-how-cleveland-police-handled-a-bb-gun-incident-in-may
The boy wrote:
Officer Reese was obviously relieved because when he first arrived at the scene he thought the weapon was a 22 caliber rifle.
Comparison to the shooting of Tamir Rice last week reveals a striking difference in the approach taken by the responding Cleveland Police officer(s), the suspect and the outcome. First, Officer Aaron Reese has been a Cleveland police officer for 5 years (1), having begun as a dispatcher at the age of 17 and having worked for the Ohio Department of Public Safety-Ohio Investigative Unit, the Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority Police Department, and the Cuyahoga County Sheriff's Office (1). Second, and probably more importantly, he is active in the Cleveland Police Athletic League, coaching, mentoring and tutoring Cleveland youth. He understands what the kids in his district face growing up because he is involved in the community. Third, Officer Reese arrived at the site alone in his patrol car.
The last observation is not advocating for single-officer patrols, which had been an issue with Cleveland Police and the administration in years past, but rather it speaks to the self-confidence of Officer Reese as well as the regard his superiors and colleagues have for the experienced patrolman. And as the community has now learned, the maturity and wisdom of Officer Reese in his handling of a potentially dangerous situation has produced a markedly different result than the unfortunate outcome of a similar incident involving a Cleveland youth and an Air-Soft pellet gun just last week.
Officer Reese was also recognized by the students at Cleveland State University as an asset to the campus community last year. He was featured in an article in the Campus District Observer, a neighborhood newspaper owned by The Campus District, Inc. whose members include Cleveland State University, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland Public Library, The Plain Dealer and a number of other public and private organizations and businesses. The article about Officer Aaron Reese can be found at this link: What We Love in the District - Aaron Reese
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/30/1348376/-Cleveland-policeman-chases-and-apprehends-boy-with-BB-gun
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Socal31
(2,484 posts)I would have sworn there was a mandatory minimum number of rounds that had to be discharged per service call, in order to prove you were actually responding. Same system as speeding tickets.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Most, I think, are. We don't hear often about the police responses that end well - only those that end badly.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)eom
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)pointing a gun at cars on the street? That was part of the story, too.
Just keeping it real. I read the entire story.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)
Bundy Ranch.
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)And not a child with a BB gun. That dude should be in prison.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)No equivalency. A strategic decision was made there in Nevada. The federal LEOs withdrew. Why? Because they were out-manned and outgunned. Nobody died. That guy lying on the road with his AR-15 clone should have been arrested. He wasn't, because of that strategic decision. Was it the right decision? I don't know, but nobody died, and that's a good thing.
But that guy has nothing whatever to do with this thread. This thread is about a kid with a BB rifle and a cop who was smart enough to deal with the situation in a sane way that ended up with nobody hurt. It's a completely different story with a good ending.
I'm not sure why you're trying to push some false equivalency here. It won't wash, though.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)My main beef is making that child write an essay to the police as if he did something wrong.
Kids play with toy guns. That is not a crime or something to apologize for in a letter.
The police were being dicks, IMHO.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)I'll tell you about something that happened to me about 30 years ago. I was working on my old Ford Falcon station wagon one day, under the hood. Suddenly, I heard a noise and came out from under there. There was a ten year old boy across the street holding a BB rifle. The back window of my Falcon was shattered. The kid had shot it out with his BB gun. He laughed at me when I yelled at him, and then took off. So, I chased him about 50 yards and caught up with him.
I took his BB gun away from him, and said, "Come with me." He did. We went back to the Falcon. I asked him if he had shot out my window. Scared, he confessed that he had. So, I stuck the barrel of the BB rifle in between the bumper and the trailer hitch and bent it at a 45 degree angle. Then I said, "Now, we're walking up to your house and I'm going to explain to your parents why your BB gun is broken."
We did just that. The kid's father was not amused that the kid had shot out my back window. I don't know what happened to the kid later, but the father gave me a $100 bill to pay for the damage and said that nothing like that would ever happen again. Nobody called the police. The kid learned an important lesson.
BB guns aren't toys. They are low-powered firearms, and they are classed as that in almost every jurisdiction. They can break windows, break the skin, and can even "put your eye out."
Pointing a BB gun at cars going down the street is doing something wrong. An essay? You're upset that the kid had to write an essay? Give me a break. You want to keep it real? Pointing a gun at cars is definitely doing something wrong. It's not funny.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)This was the officer's act of kindness. Can you say the kid did not learn anything from this? 
--imm
heaven05
(18,124 posts)he's privileged.
Action_Patrol
(845 posts)Isn't "pointing a rifle at motorists".
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)Action_Patrol
(845 posts)I responded to someone asking how many people that open carry weapons are forced to write an essay.
The child wasn't carrying a gun In public. He was pointing it at passing cars. There's a HUGE difference.
The response and follow up were proper.
Open carry is dumb anyway but this has nothing at all to do with it.
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)
FourScore
(9,704 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Derek V
(532 posts)I'm thinking the exact same thing.
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)probability near zero
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)FourScore
(9,704 posts)
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Which link are you referring to?
FourScore
(9,704 posts)I guess I should've said the one at the end of the article. Let me help you. This one:
http://campusdistrictobserver.com/read/2013/04/25/what-we-love-in-the-district-aaron-reese
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)I'm glad the officer handled this well.
Wella
(1,827 posts)Why is this an issue?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)geez
Wella
(1,827 posts)The second example is Rice.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)by the police. that's why it is an issue. clearly, this officer knew how to respond without killing the kid.
Wella
(1,827 posts)The militarization of the police is allowing for widespread abuse. The OP demonstrated a cop who is still acting like a cop, not like a storm trooper.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)who are not out to kill people.
Wella
(1,827 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and hopefully, the cops who killed Tamir Rice will be gone too. fortunately, they were caught on tape, and they literally killed that boy in 1.5 seconds after they arrived on the scene. i don't see how ANY reasonable person can consider that reasonable, or even understandable behavior. the person who called 911 said the gun was probably fake and that the kid looked like a juvenile, but none of that mattered. i hope his family sues.
I think they are replacing intelligent cops with situational awareness with stupid jock cops.
Wella
(1,827 posts)I can't find it right now (dang Google) but I did stumble on this:
http://www.indeed.com/forum/job/police-officer/Wish-Never-Became-Police-Officer/t58960
A lot of officers complain because of how they get treated by administrators. Usually, in any organization, the rot starts at the top and works its way down. Bad administration leads to bad policing.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)instead an executioner.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)Key difference...
branford
(4,462 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Literally, the sentences RIGHT before that line.
"When he arrived at the scene he exited his patrol car and approached the man who immediately fled. Officer Reese radioed in to dispatch as he gave chase:
“Send me another car, 86 and Superior, I have a male running north bound with a rifle.”
As he was running he yelled to the man to get down and to drop the weapon."
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)you may have to do it over and over and over for these one-note ponies.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)before you even have a chance to comply.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)eventually he followed the policemans orders, and again... he wasnt shot at. the NOT being shot at would be the "difference" you seek.
your statement FAILS, but do not let that stop you from consistently holding your position.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Seems people are missing the main point.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)like that cop did with Tamir Rice. this cop was not intent on executing the boy.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)Isn't the difference not so much in the police but by the immediate actions (allegedly) taken by the suspect (one went for the gun, one ran)? I'm happy to be wrong if someone can point it out. I've not followed both stories to the nth degree as some have.
The shooting death of Tamir Rice is without a doubt a tragedy.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)have a chance to do a damn thing in the space of of time between that police car rolling up on him, very fast, and his death at the hands of the responding police who shot 1.5 seconds after arriving. Your analysis is skewed.........period.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)He had no time to comply much less comprehend what they were yelling. There is no evidence of him going for his gun, much less having time to comply.
And then they did not do first aid on him for nearly 4 minutes.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)And I'm happy to hear that if that's the case. Care to share?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)that is subjective interpretation by the cops who shot him less than 2 sec after arriving, and let him lie without first aid for nearly 4 min, called in saying he was a 20 year old.
He did not have the gun out when they pulled up and shot him, there is nothing beyond their "reaching for his waistband" statement to show he did any such thing.
Watch the video. I thought it a justified shooting after seeing the gun, but after watching the video? Not at all.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)They said he was doing that thing all black males do when they see a cop, reach for their waistband.
about all them doing that.
But it is used way too often to show cause. In this case, what evidence is there he was? Bonus question, what evidence is there that he had time to comply with what was being yelled out the window as they drove up and shot him?
flvegan
(64,407 posts)Did he reach for his waistband or not?
I don't know why I even bother.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Look at the video and decide for yourself. I can do no more than tell you I don't see it and there is no proof he did.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)Convince me.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)gun. All else I can do is fly to your house, hold your hand and watch the video with you. Send me a ticket and I will. Or time travel to seeot as it happened but my time travwl machine is out of order.
You say to convince you? I think you are capable of watching the video on your own and drawing your own conclusions. There is nothing else I can so to convince you. Just watch the video.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)don't want the truth. That has been proven over and over again here, since Trayvon Martin. You provided the link and proof is in there.
is all willful discounting and deflecting from obvious and uncontestable truth. Your response is BS and BS again. I have read these type of responses since Trayvon Martin and I HAVE truly been taught a lesson about 'progressives and liberals'. Conservatives, I never had a doubt as to their agenda.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)given the situation now, that's a welcome switch. May he stay on the right side of "due process".
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)more humane police behavior, and still... it should be expected, demanded, ....
War Horse
(931 posts)
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)and don't shoot, and don't beat people up and work in the community. But, until every good cop outs the bad ones, and there are plenty, we have a problem. The time is now for every good cop to stand up and demand an end to the brutality and racism that exists in almost every department in America.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and managed to apprehend him without murdering him. and unlike the cops who executed Tamir Rice, this officer noticed that he was a boy, not a man. the cops who shot 12yo Tamir Rice estimated his age to be 20 after they shot him 
they were already trying to cover their asses. clearly, the cops who shot Tamir in 1.5 seconds had other options, they just chose to execute him.
MiniMe
(21,714 posts)his wrists were. The cop who shot Rice never took the chance to cuff him, he might have noticed at that point had he done the right thing. Also, the cop that shot Rice was a rookie, I think that is a huge difference. It by no means justifies it, but the difference between a rookie and a veteran cop made a difference in this case.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and after Tamir was shot, two cops estimated his age to be 20, not 12 
the rookie actually killed him, but there was another cop at the scene who was not a rookie. he should have known and done better.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)something that Tamir Rice reportedly did not do.
The vast majority of police officers are NOT going to let anyone try and reach for a gun and let that person take a shot at them. I fail to understand why people don't seem to understand that.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)he, too, would have been shot like Tamir was.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)The boy turn and ran with the gun out. He only later followed directions. Rice was unfortunately not given that opportunity thanks to trigger-happy cops and their tineared enablers like yourself.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)you know what you are talking about.
The child in this OP first ran from the police officer and then stopped and dropped the rifle according to the police officer's demands. There is no indication that the kid pointed the rifle at the police officer or anyone else once the police officer started chasing him. If he had pointed the rifle at the police officer, the kid would have been shot.
In contrast Tamir Rice, when told to put his hands up, made an attempt to reach for the gun in his waistband at which point he was shot. If Tamir Rice had listened to the police officer's commands, he would probably be alive today.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)the cops shot the kid 2 seconds.. count that 1 1000, 2 1000 and try to say "drop your gun" and have time to do it in that time frame. The child was given no time and was murdered. This child is not responsible for his death! The victim is not guilty. Do not assign guilt to 12 year old Tamir Rice. You do not have your facts. Where did you get the idea he was reaching for a gun? The cops arrived and 2 seconds the kid was shot... 2 seconds... think about that.
Civilians making the 911 call thought the gun was a toy, but trained police officers didn't.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)I fail to see why you don't understand that.
Yes, I watched the video, the resolution is crappy, but it looks like Tamir reached for the gun, something not being disputed by any news organization account that I have read.
The benefit of 20/20 hindsight allows us to nitpick the details at length.
I saw the gun checked into evidence and with the benefit of 30+ years of being a competitive shooter, I'll be damned if Id' be able to tell the difference at even 10 feet away.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)Id rather have 100 officers hesitate trying to discern a weapon is a real gun than one more innocent youth murdered over a pellet gun.
If you cant handle that, dont be a cop.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)because what you want is never going to happen and your expectations bear no relation to reality.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)They screen for people who might be thoughtful and caring about other human beings, since they think those types of people can't handle the stress. Of course, that would leave the sociopaths becoming cops, but that never entered into the equation.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you want us to appreciate their situation, nad put ourselves of risk, of death, cause they have the power and the guns, and IGNORE when they royally fuck up like position themselves right next to the kids, leaving themselves no time to react
bad procedure, on their part, that got the kid KILLED
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)or are you ok with random shots being fired in a park with people around?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)wielding a gun, driving your partner, your rookie partner, in the passenger seat, right up to the line of fire of said criminal, leaving him vulnerable while still trapped in a car, is A GOOD FUGGIN IDEA.
IF that was a real gun with the intent to do harm, the driver set his partner up for death.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)The cops didn't know the gun wasn't real, kids are perfectly capable of pulling the trigger on a real gun and you don't let the the gunman get shots off at you, your partner or a park with people in it.
I'm not happy Tamir is dead, his death is a tragedy, but the responsibility of the police that day was to the rest of the people in the park, themselves and Tamir, in that order.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)if you refuse to consider all of the facts or that you refuse to even consider the possibility that the shooting of Tamir Rice, while a horrible tragedy, was not a crime.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am not gonna say it is kinda sorta maybe ok.
no
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)"if you refuse to consider all of the facts or that you refuse to even consider the possibility that the shooting of Tamir Rice, while a horrible tragedy, was...a crime".
There, that fixedit.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)The old "You don't agree with me" argument...........boring. Now you're just wasting my time.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)so why didn't the cop shoot him that time? The police was CLEARLY in danger and he shouldn't allow himself a chance to get shot, right?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)If he had, it is very likely the police officer would have shot him.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)But apparently your Shoot First Ask Questions Later doctrine makes his shooting all the more justified.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Nice of you to parrot one line and ignore the issue
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)when told to put your hands in the air by the police is a very stupid thing to do.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)The video shows him moving his arm. Period. And they let him lay for nearly 4 min before someone else gave him first aid so now he's dead and can't say why he moved his arm.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)then firing.
THAT is the point.
refute it.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)or stop wasting my time with your nonsense
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the cop could not have said that and expect a response time to his commmand in 1.5 seconds, while drawing, opening the door, ducking and firing. it is not POSSIBLE. lol. when the IMpossible is being considered, well, in my book, that is a fail.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)now, YOU... have a good day. i think we pretty well hashed this out.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts) no fucking way this was justified. they shot him in 1.5 seconds...he did not even have a chance to comply. and as this other shows, there was no need to shoot anyway.uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Car is there at 12 sec, he is shot and down at 14.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Except if the leg is "the kid deserved to die because he didn't respond in a way I wanted to an imaginary command."
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Seriously?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)or didn't you forget about the innocent bystanders that were present.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)anyone else?
omg
I apologize for taking you seriously up until now. Sometimes the humor and sarcasm is so dry it seems serious.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)It takes a certain amount of courage to be a cop. Killer cops appear to have none. They are cowards, afraid of the public and quick to shoot even when there's no danger.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)You are aware that that first the fact that the 911 caller thought it MAY have been a toy wasn't communicated to the police officers and even if it MAY have been a toy, the police are going to err on the side of caution and respond as if it may have been a REAL gun.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)themselves and then the person(s) allegedly committing a crime in the calls they respond to.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am done.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)officers lives. Isn't that why they are hired? To serve and protect, always some risk there. And you are fine with police showing a complete lack of training, common sense, or restraint in any situation, just guns blazing so there is no possibility the cop could get hurt.
In Denver a few years back, a cop climbed through a window responding to a domestic dispute and shot and killed a man in bed because the man was holding something shiny, a can of soda pop, but I'm sure you have no problem with that.
You are very wrong.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)justified until I saw the video. They drove up fast, yelling and shot him in under 2 seconds. He had no time to understand what they were yelling, no time to comply, had no gun out, was not reaching for any gun. Watch the video.
Maybe if they gave him first aid rather than watching him bleed on the ground for 4 minutes, he might have survived also.
Those cops were wrong, and the 12 yr old is dead because of their actions.
Cops-shot-12-year-old-Tamir-Rice-dead-holding-BB-gun-did-not-aid-watched-lie-agony-died-just-hours-later.html
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)I fail to see why you don't understand that.
Yes, I watched the video, the resolution is crappy, but it looks like Tamir reached for the gun, something not being disputed by any news organization account that I have read.
The benefit of 20/20 hindsight allows us to nitpick the details at length.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)WHAT cop would drive up RIGHT NEXT to a person who might shoot them?
Either someone who thought their car was bulletproof, didn't care about getting their passenger or themselves shot or was shooting as they drove up convinced they would kill the person with the gun.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)least made sense as far as not putting themselves right in front of harms way.
ya. lets. lets just have the police cars run over our kids with play guns, cause they are to cowardly and afraid
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)ignored the cop's orders to show his hands, shouted from the car pulling up rapidly and ended up being shot under 2 seconds later.
w.t.f.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Obviously Tamir's death is a horrible tragedy, that doesn't mean responding police should allow themselves or innocent bystanders to be shot by someone who has what appears to be a real gun and reaches for it when told to put his hands up.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)He was yelled at as the car sped up to within a few feet of where he was standing. Within 2 seconds he was shot.
I did not see him "reached for the gun in his waistband". I do not understand how that amount of time is adequate to understand much less comply with instructions yelled from inside a car as it quickly drives up.
I do not understand how driving up to within feet of someone who MAY have a gun and be dangerous is in any way safe for the passenger in the cop car much less the driver and in no way think that is police protocol. IF they thought he was dangerous, they got way too close way too fast.
He had no time to react, and no. I did not see him "reached for the gun in his waistband".
Did you watch the video?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)I'm curious about what the documented response is for Cleveland PD.
With the understanding that the police were responding to what they thought was a person with a gun, the approach used minimized the chance of shots being fired by Tamir, which minimized the chances of the police being hurt or killed and minimized the chances of anyone else in the park being hurt or killed.
If there had been no one around they probably would have approached the situation a different way.
This remains a horrible tragedy and no, I don't know why no first aid was adminstered
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)shoot him
is that REALLY what you are advocating nad standing up for here?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)What part of that don't you comprehend?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I guess they should have simply just run him over, right?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)car.
what part of THAT do you not comprehend.
they.... THEY put themselves in harms way and killed a kid cause they realized it too late cause of THEIR fuck up
the kid is dead
do YOU get it?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)bullets from hitting anyone else.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Should the cop have shot him on the spot?
Don't answer that. Of course he should, the cops shouldn't allow them a chance to kill them, right?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)if their goal is to NOT get shot, why drive right up next to the suspect?
People are trying to explain this to you.
A better idea would be to be some distance away, bullhorn to clear the area, get behind the car or other shelter and then bullhorn the suspect instructions. That way they wouldn't get shot and they wouldn't shoot someone first and ask questions later.
(And, yes, I covered cops as a crime reporter for 12 years, so I DO know how it should be done. Didn't have so many cop shootings 13 years ago before the police became so militarized).
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)It is incredible, isn't it?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Tamir Rice didn't have time to do a damn thing.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)you read a headline like this and think it's fake.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)with other encounters, but the LEO did not react with deadly force since he wad not threatened.
The kid needs proper training in the use of arms, and a good discussion about how one behaves in public with one, or have his BB gun taken away by the parents. He is a lucky kid.
MH1
(17,600 posts)until he had the kid on the ground and was placing handcuffs on him.
Police departments in general need to do a much better job of training their officers to handle situations more like this, and (MUCH) less like the Tamir Rice shooting. But at the same time, internet quarterbacks shouldn't assume that the police officer knows that they are dealing with a child. Even in this case, someone who is used to working with children, thought (according to this story anyway) that they were dealing with an adult right up until the situation was pretty much over. So, the aspect of the suspect's age apparently MADE NO DIFFERENCE to how this officer handled this situation. And it probably shouldn't have. A 12 year old has the capacity to be murderous and unhinged just as an adult can be. But in either case the appropriate actions end up with the suspect alive.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)a woman, when they want to fuck her.
odd how we cannot see a child, thru certain eyes.
there was a study on this, with our black children being perceived as much older than actual age.
MH1
(17,600 posts)My point is that whether child or man, is mostly irrelevant in how they should be treated, and in practice probably is irrelevant, because the cop isn't spending time figuring that out. If they do everything else correctly, it won't matter, because they won't end up shooting and killing the suspect.