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kpete

(71,964 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 11:31 AM Nov 2014

Nicholas Kristof this morning calls for an American Truth and Reconciliation Commission

We feud about the fires in Ferguson, Mo., and we can agree only that racial divisions remain raw. So let’s borrow a page from South Africa and impanel a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to examine race in America.


“In the jewelry store, they lock the case when I walk in,” a 23-year-old black man wrote in May 1992. “In the shoe store, they help the white man who walks in after me. In the shopping mall, they follow me.”
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2013/01/23/cory-booker-why-have-i-lost-control/

He described an incident when he was stopped by six police officers who detained him, with guns at the ready, and treated him for 30 minutes as a dangerous suspect.

That young man was future Senator Cory Booker, who had been a senior class president at Stanford University and was a newly selected Rhodes Scholar. Yet our law enforcement system reduced him to a stereotype — so young Booker sat trembling and praying that he wouldn’t be shot by the police.

...........

White Americans may protest that our racial problems are not like South Africa’s. No, but the United States incarcerates a higher proportion of blacks than apartheid South Africa did. In America, the black-white wealth gap today is greater than it was in South Africa in 1970 at the peak of apartheid.




http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/opinion/sunday/nicholas-kristof-when-whites-just-dont-get-it-part-5.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region®ion=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-regionhttp://www.stopracialprofiling.net/uncategorized/100/
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/11/lets-talk-by-bloggersrus.html
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cali

(114,904 posts)
3. that isn't what Kristof said
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:29 PM
Nov 2014

it's not worse than South Africa during apartheid.

<snip>

The first grand apartheid law was the Population Registration Act of 1950, which formalised racial classification and introduced an identity card for all persons over the age of 18, specifying their racial group.[28] Official teams or Boards were established to come to a conclusion on those people whose race was unclear.[29] This caused difficulty, especially for coloured people, separating their families when members were allocated different races.[30]

The second pillar of grand apartheid was the Group Areas Act of 1950.[31] Until then, most settlements had people of different races living side by side. This Act put an end to diverse areas and determined where one lived according to race. Each race was allotted its own area, which was used in later years as a basis of forced removal.[32] The Prevention of Illegal Squatting Act of 1951 allowed the government to demolish black shanty town slums and forced white employers to pay for the construction of housing for those black workers who were permitted to reside in cities otherwise reserved for whites.[33]

The Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act of 1949 prohibited marriage between persons of different races, and the Immorality Act of 1950 made sexual relations with a person of a different race a criminal offence.

Under the Reservation of Separate Amenities Act of 1953, municipal grounds could be reserved for a particular race, creating, among other things, separate beaches, buses, hospitals, schools and universities. Signboards such as "whites only" applied to public areas, even including park benches.[34] Blacks were provided with services greatly inferior to those of whites, and, to a lesser extent, to those of Indian and coloured people.[9]

Further laws had the aim of suppressing resistance, especially armed resistance, to apartheid. The Suppression of Communism Act of 1950 banned any party subscribing to Communism. The act defined Communism and its aims so sweepingly that anyone who opposed government policy risked being labelled as a Communist. Since the law specifically stated that Communism aimed to disrupt racial harmony, it was frequently used to gag opposition to apartheid. Disorderly gatherings were banned, as were certain organisations that were deemed threatening to the government.

Education was segregated by the 1953 Bantu Education Act, which crafted a separate system of education for African students and was designed to prepare black people for lives as a labouring class.[35] In 1959 separate universities were created for black, coloured and Indian people. Existing universities were not permitted to enroll new black students. The Afrikaans Medium Decree of 1974 required the use of Afrikaans and English on an equal basis in high schools outside the homelands.[36]

<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid

In no way am I saying the racism extant in our country isn't horrific, but it's not worse than apartheid.

randr

(12,409 posts)
5. Glad you pointed this out--I had almost forgotten how bad South Africa was
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:40 PM
Nov 2014

Yet in comparison the SA regime never pretended to be just. They never waved a flag of freedom and claimed moral superiority as a beacon for justice. We currently have at least as many incarcerated for minor crimes and at least as many people living in poverty as the last days of Apartheid while pretending to be the home of the brave.
The proposal for a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission to examine race in America" should also go hand in hand with the demilitarization of our police force.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
2. I don't know if they still do this, but at the local Walmart they used to make an announcement
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:20 PM
Nov 2014

to "activate all security cameras" when the Job Corps people (mostly African American) came in.

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
4. At least the South Africans were honest about it.....
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 01:39 PM
Nov 2014

....in America it remains hidden, covert and subtle. Overt racism is not socially acceptable even among many right wingers, but it exists just the same and in many circles is as strong today as it ever was. They still express it in hushed tones and dog whistles. As a southerner, I'm very attuned to the dog whistles that might be missed by those from other regions.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
6. You DO know that the only way S. Africa GOT a Commission was the Whites Lost?
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 02:05 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 30, 2014, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)

It wasn't a parting gift, either.

The whites lost control, the blacks took over, and things otherwise were pretty much par for the course in Africa.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) was a court-like restorative justice[1] body assembled in South Africa after the abolition of apartheid. Witnesses who were identified as victims of gross human rights violations were invited to give statements about their experiences, and some were selected for public hearings. Perpetrators of violence could also give testimony and request amnesty from both civil and criminal prosecution.

The TRC, the first of the nineteen held internationally to stage public hearings, was seen by many as a crucial component of the transition to full and free democracy in South Africa. Despite some flaws, it is generally (although not universally) thought to have been successful.

The Institute for Justice and Reconciliation was established in 2000 as the successor organisation of the TRC.

Creation and mandate

Inspired by the Chilean Rettig Report, the TRC was set up in terms of the Promotion of National Unity and Reconciliation Act, No. 34 of 1995, and was based in Cape Town. The hearings started in 1996. The mandate of the commission was to bear witness to, record and in some cases grant amnesty to the perpetrators of crimes relating to human rights violations, as well as reparation and rehabilitation. The TRC had a number of high profile members: Archbishop Desmond Tutu (chairman), Dr. Alex Boraine (Deputy Chairman), Mary Burton, Advocate Chris de Jager, Bongani Finca, Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela, Sisi Khampepe, Richard Lyster, Wynand Malan, Reverend Khoza Mgojo, Hlengiwe Mkhize, Dumisa Ntsebeza (head of the Investigative Unit), Dr. Wendy Orr, Advocate Denzil Potgieter, Mapule Ramashala, Dr. Fazel Randera, Yasmin Sooka, Glenda Wildschut, and Emma Mashinini.

Committees


The work of the TRC was accomplished through three committees:

The Human Rights Violations Committee investigated human rights abuses that occurred between 1960 and 1994.
The Reparation and Rehabilitation Committee was charged with restoring victims' dignity and formulating proposals to assist with rehabilitation.
The Amnesty Committee considered applications from individuals who applied for amnesty in accordance with the provisions of the Act.

Public hearings of the Human Rights Violations Committee and the Amnesty Committee were held at many venues around South Africa, including Cape Town (at the University of the Western Cape), Johannesburg (at the Central Methodist Mission), and Randburg (at the Rhema Bible Church).

The commission was empowered to grant amnesty to those who committed abuses during the apartheid era, as long as the crimes were politically motivated, proportionate, and there was full disclosure by the person seeking amnesty.

To avoid victor's justice, no side was exempt from appearing before the commission. The commission heard reports of human rights violations and considered amnesty applications from all sides, from the apartheid state to the liberation forces, including the African National Congress.

A total of 5,392 amnesty applications were refused, granting only 849 out of the 7,112 (which includes the number of additional categories, such as withdrawn).

Impact

The TRC's emphasis on reconciliation is in sharp contrast to the approach taken by the Nuremberg Trials after World War II and other de-Nazification measures. Because of the perceived success of the reconciliatory approach in dealing with human-rights violations after political change either from internal or external factors, other countries have instituted similar commissions, though not always with the same scope or the allowance for charging those currently in power. The effectiveness of the Restorative Justice method employed the TRC versus that of the Retributive Justice method employed during the Nuremberg Trials is debated.

In a survey study by Jay and Erika Vora, the effectiveness of the TRC Commission was measured on a variety of levels, namely its usefulness in terms of bringing out the truth of what had happened during the apartheid regime, the feelings of reconciliation that could be linked to the Commission, and the positive effects both domestically and internationally that the Commission brought about in a variety of ways from the political environment of South Africa to the economic one. The opinions of three ethnic groups were measured in this study: the English, the Afrikaners, and the Xhosa.

The effectiveness of the Commission in bringing out truth can be viewed in the following statement from an article by Jay and Erika Vora:

All participants perceived the TRC to be effective in bringing out the truth, however, in varying degrees. The Afrikaners perceived the TRC to be less effective in bringing out the truth than the English participants and much less effective than did the Xhosa...

The differences in opinions about the effectiveness can be attributed to how each group viewed the proceedings. Some viewed them as not entirely accurate as many people would lie in order to keep themselves out of trouble while receiving amnesty for their crimes, given that the Commission would grant amnesty to some with consideration given to the weight of the crimes committed.

The TRC was viewed as much less effective in bringing about reconciliation by each group, with the two white groups about par and the Xhosa viewing the TRC as less effective than the other two ethnic groups. Some said that the proceedings only helped to remind them of the horrors that had taken place in the past when they had been working to forget such things. Thus, the TRC's effectiveness in terms of achieving those very things within its title is still debatable.

Criticisms

A 1998 study by South Africa's Centre for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation & the Khulumani Support Group, which surveyed several hundred victims of human-rights abuse during the Apartheid era, found that most felt that the TRC had failed to achieve reconciliation between the black and white communities. Most believed that justice was a prerequisite for reconciliation rather than an alternative to it, and that the TRC had been weighted in favour of the perpetrators of abuse.

Another dilemma facing the TRC was how to do justice to the testimonials of those witnesses for whom translation was necessary. It was believed that, with the great discrepancy between the emotions of the witnesses and those translating them, much of the impact was lost in interlingual rendition. A briefly tried solution was to have the translators mimic the witnesses' emotions, but this proved disastrous and was quickly scrapped.

While former president F.W. de Klerk appeared before the commission and reiterated his apology for the suffering caused by apartheid, many black South Africans were angered at amnesty being granted for human rights abuses committed by the apartheid government. The BBC described such criticisms as stemming from a "basic misunderstanding" about the TRC's mandate,[16] which was to uncover the truth about past abuse, using amnesty as a mechanism, rather than to punish past crimes.

Among the highest-profile of these objections were the criticisms levelled by the family of prominent anti-apartheid activist Steve Biko, who was killed by the security police, and whose story was featured in the film Cry Freedom. Biko's family described the TRC as a "vehicle for political expediency", which "robbed" them of their right to justice. The family opposed amnesty for his killers on these grounds and brought a legal action in South Africa's highest court, arguing that the TRC was unconstitutional.

On the other side of the spectrum, former apartheid State President P.W. Botha defied a subpoena to appear before the commission, calling it a "circus". His defiance resulted in a fine and suspended sentence, but these were overturned on appeal.

Playwright Jane Taylor, responsible for the acclaimed Ubu and the Truth Commission, found fault with the Commission's lopsided influence:

The TRC is unquestionably a monumental process, the consequences of which will take years to unravel. For all its pervasive weight, however, it infiltrates our culture asymmetrically, unevenly across multiple sectors. Its place in small rural communities, for example, when it establishes itself in a local church hall, and absorbs substantial numbers of the population, is very different from its situation in large urban centres, where its presence is marginalised by other social and economic activities.


Under pressure within and without the country, South Africa started to break down apartheid in 1990, and by 1994, the white population lost basically all power.


The TRC was a "kinder, gentler" version of the Nuremburg Trials...to my knowledge, nobody was hanged....

HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
8. "The model should be the 9/11 commission or the Warren Commission on President Kennedy..."
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 11:32 AM
Dec 2014

Truth and Reconciliation Commission? JESUS...

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
9. A commission is the best place to bury the truth, and don't expect the doe eyed Media to question
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 09:57 PM
Dec 2014

anything.

 

Welibs

(188 posts)
10. I've traveled to South Africa many times over several decades and the Truth and Reconciliation
Tue Dec 2, 2014, 05:14 AM
Dec 2014

Commission was a farce! Men that were guilty of committing horrific crimes against the people had to endure some embarrassment to get off and go home to their families, their big homes & lots of money they stole from the people. Black South Africans lost family members, they were treated abominably and no one paid for it. Obama took a page from this book or pretends he did and it's just wrong.

Over the years I found through friends I made in my travels that South Africans cannot look forward because they're waiting for someone to pay for the horrors done to them. The prosecution of the perpetrators is the only way for them to heal.

I totally get it.
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