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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 07:17 PM Nov 2014

Fort Carson Troops Will Soon Deploy, 'Supporting Ukraine'

Fort Carson's 4th Infantry Division will lead an American effort to bolster European allies and deter Russian aggression, the Pentagon announced Wednesday.

The post just got a team of soldiers back from Germany where they led a NATO exercise, but the new mission is wider and will last longer.

"This is not going to be a three-week or a month deployment," said a source at the post familiar with the new mission.

The Army hasn't said how long the division troops will be overseas, leaving the deployment indefinite.

U.S. European Command said that a 100-soldier team from the 16,000-soldier division will head to Europe in early 2015 to lead ground forces in "Operation Atlantic 
Resolve."

Read more at http://gazette.com/fort-carson-troops-will-soon-deploy-supporting-ukraine/article/1542105#ofgL1KkFTPQCXFZt.99

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Fort Carson Troops Will Soon Deploy, 'Supporting Ukraine' (Original Post) Purveyor Nov 2014 OP
Scary NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #1
Has Obama lost his f---g mind? That's just what we need is a confrontation doc03 Nov 2014 #2
Probably not. Igel Nov 2014 #4
We are going back to the cold war, instead of having troops stationed doc03 Nov 2014 #12
I don't think you're aware of the situation. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #9
Despite the clickbait headline and shitty writing Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #10
I wonder how many wars we can fight at the same time. ... spin Nov 2014 #3
Great, a war with Russia Wella Nov 2014 #5
Crazy as hell. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #6
Just wondering Tashca Nov 2014 #7
Much will be apparent once a nominee for the SOD position is announced. eom Purveyor Dec 2014 #13
Well, the planet has too many people anyway. Octafish Nov 2014 #8
As long as we root out those 'Reds', the McCarthyites on this forum will say Purveyor Dec 2014 #14
"Bring it on!", "Smoke 'em out!" again? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #11
Operation "Atlantic Resolve?" nilesobek Dec 2014 #15
Somehow Operation Bush's War, Part 4 didn't make the cut pinboy3niner Dec 2014 #16

doc03

(35,295 posts)
2. Has Obama lost his f---g mind? That's just what we need is a confrontation
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 07:33 PM
Nov 2014

with Russia, that can't end well with Putin in charge.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
4. Probably not.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 09:14 PM
Nov 2014

But if so, then it's just honoring commitments.

"... the idea is eventually to move a heavy brigade combat team with its tanks and Bradley vehicles to an area further east, such as Poland, Romania, or one of the Baltic countries...."

So the forward-positioned troops would be in NATO countries--there's no talk (yet, at least) of stationing US troops in Ukraine, much less in the Donbas. (Personally, I think that's where NATO troops should be placed--5-10 miles from the Ukrainian/Donbas border, well within artillery range but with only defensive weapons. Sort of like the US troops in S. Korea are a trip-wire that let the North know we mean business but also guarantee that we won't whimsically initiate something that'll get 30k US soldiers killed. If you want a deterrence, make it a meaningful one.)

If the troops are only in NATO countries and in smallish numbers then the only way that Russian troops could be involved in a direct confrontation is if the Russian troops find themselves in the Baltic country, Poland, or Romania. Unless NATO attacks Russia. Granted, there could be miscommunication--there's been a lot of that, what with no Russian troops in the Crimea until they turned out to be there all along.

It's too late to deter Russian aggression in Ukraine, popular wisdom has it, because it's already happened. (I find this disingenuous: There's a lot of space there for further aggression.) But it's not too late to deal with stirring up trouble in the Baltics or Romania: Russia wants a lot of Lithuanian soldiers extradited to Russia for refusing to report or obey orders as the USSR broke up. It insists on more rights for Russians and Russian-speakers in the Baltics. It's hinted that the partition of Poland wasn't all that bad a thing. And it's continued to make trouble with Transnistria and Romania. Just as Russia would probably like a land route to the Crimea, it's long wanted a restoration of a land route to the territory it annexed by treaty at the end of WWII, Kaliningrad.

Oddly, those are precisely the countries that the defense.gov article refers to. Those that Russia has an interest in making problems for and those that it's suggested it might.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=123716 (whence the quote near the beginning of my post).

doc03

(35,295 posts)
12. We are going back to the cold war, instead of having troops stationed
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:40 PM
Nov 2014

on the West German borders we are just moving east. I am sure John McCain will say it is to little to late. Seems he has
been dictating our foreign policy. He complains Obama isn't doing enough, so Obama escalates. McCain says to little to late
then Obama steps it up a little more. I fear by the time he leaves office it will be about where he found it or worse.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
9. I don't think you're aware of the situation.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:03 PM
Nov 2014

Putin is the one constantly provoking and confronting Western forces. This is trivial compared to what he's doing - little more than a statement that we won't be pushed around by a fascist murderer.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. Despite the clickbait headline and shitty writing
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:12 PM
Nov 2014

This isn't an invasion force...

Of course, "Fort Carson Troops to Deploy As Part of Regular Rotation to Relieve Those Serving in U.S. Mission to NATO" isn't all that sexy, is it?

spin

(17,493 posts)
3. I wonder how many wars we can fight at the same time. ...
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 07:41 PM
Nov 2014

I also wonder if we are about to get our ass kicked good somewhere.

Tashca

(974 posts)
7. Just wondering
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:00 PM
Nov 2014

Is this in any way related to the Hagel resignation?
I hear lots of reasons, but the timing on this is interesting.....

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Well, the planet has too many people anyway.
Sun Nov 30, 2014, 10:00 PM
Nov 2014

A good war between the Soviets, er, Rooskies and the USA will help bring the numbers down to a more, eh, affordable level. Say, 6 or 7 billion killed should do the trick -- as long as the right people survive, what the heck, eh?

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
14. As long as we root out those 'Reds', the McCarthyites on this forum will say
Mon Dec 1, 2014, 01:11 AM
Dec 2014

"all is good now"...

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