Screams of help by Martin trump a few scratches on someones head
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Not just a little but enough to convict on. Those screams of help and crying moans are gut wrenching. Trayvon was in fear for his life, now doubt about it. He had no idea what the hell was going on.
Rape victims often do a hell of a lot of damage to their attacker but if the attacker has a gun then the person being attacked is in big trouble. Not suggesting he was being raped but simply defending himself. We know Zimmerman has a history of violence and a short fuse. He has attacked cops and his girlfriend. Very quick to anger! Martin, has zero history of even being in one fight and comes from a very affectionate loving family.
I had no interest in this story until I heard those cries for help which ripped my heart out and then I was pissed! Two experts in voice recognition have said they were not Zimmerman.
So even if Martin did start the fight and was beating Zimmerman to a pulp which I doubt. Once Zimmerman got the upper hand and Martin started crying for help, there was zero reason to shoot. A person pleading for help or their life clearly is not exhibiting life threatening behavior. So Zimmerman gunned down Martin while Martin was pleading for help in a most disturbing frightening manor. If true, this is where Murder 2 comes in.
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...and if you say the audio is not Martin, who was it then? Can you prove it wasn't?
Thats all you got?
LOL
Just because you don't want to believe someone's version of events hardly discounts them...
We are going to have to wait for one of three things to happen to confirm what "John" stated to the media the day after the incident...
#1 unsealed records with witness statements...
#2 the immunity hearing testimony...
#3 the trial itself...
You are sure grasping at straws on this one..... 
have fun pretending like Zimmerman.
Yur posts, without facts it is nothing but noise, not even a debate.
You might want to send in a designated hitter....lest you strike out...again.
You're actually parsing the dispatcher's qualifications & whether or not his wise warning to Zimmerman was "lawful"???
Do you have a link so we can check out what this witness had to say? ....better late than never.
Here is a link, the interview was given the day after the incident. I'm pretty sure "John" is also one of the 911 callers.
As for the 'bias' claim, yea, I'm 'biased' towards the truth of the matter wherever that may lead. 
John 'may' have given a completely contridictory statement to investigators, we have no idea. But he seems pretty sure about what he is saying in this interview and I find it compelling.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation
huh?
Please do some research on this case, when more folks talk about it and get such simple things wrong it is no wonder it has gone as far as it has.....
As far as what the prosecutor is aware of, it is apparant that they did not even seek to obtain Zimmerman's medical records related to the incident.
Thats pretty poor investigating if you ask me.
"You continue to peddle information without providing any credible sources. You claim the prosecutor didn't seek Zimmerman's medical records -- back it up with a link"
hehe...OK
O'MARA: You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained, correct?
GILBREATH: I know that that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. I haven't seen any medical records to indicate that.
O'MARA: Have you asked him for them?
GILBREATH: Have I asked him for them? No.
O'MARA: Do you want a copy of them?
GILBREATH: Sure.
O'MARA: I'll give them to the state. It's a more appropriate way to do it. If you haven't had them yet, I don't want to cross you on them.
Nothing further, thank you, your honor.
You can find the transcripts at CNN...
here is the first half, I hope you can navigate the site to find the rest....
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.01.html
....but it appears that he is the only EYEwitness that saw anything with any clarity PRIOR to the shot being fired.
If you have something other than speculation please present it, I want to see all the info.
...to these witnesses that state they SAW Martin screaming.
And please.....enough with the Hannity BS. Lets talk known facts. 
.....that the Judge is going to release the info related to the case provided the witness info is redacted.
We are going to have statements to pour over, but you are going to have to wait until trial for the associated names.... 
This Owen 'expert' sure has some interesting creds....
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/about-those-audio-forsenic-experts
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/06/voice-forensics-experts-cast-doubt-on-orlando-sentinel-analysis-of-trayvon-martin-911-tape/
And from todays bail hearing.....
....O'MARA: Witnesses heard people arguing, sounded like a struggle. During this time, witnesses heard numerous calls for help. Some of this was recorded. Trayvon's mom reviewed the 911 calls and identified the cry for help and Trayvon Martin's voice. Did you do any forensic analysis on that voice tape?
GILBREATH: Did I?
O'MARA: Did you or are you aware of anything?
GILBREATH: The "Orlando Sentinel" had someone do it and the FBI has had someone do it.
O'MARA: Is that part of your investigation?
GILBREATH: Yes.
O'MARA: Has that given any insight as to the voice?
GILBREATH: No.
... has been dedicated to this case, they were active long before this incident.
As far as "first glances" go....thats the problem with first glances. They are often incorrect.
Did you 'profile' the blog without looking deeper....
Whats that mean exactly?
It is a link to a site that actually had investigative integrity to look at the source of some controversial info. Seeing as we are not really hearing much of anything about those 'experts' anymore I bet alot of your 'authorized' news sites have turned over some rocks themselves...
Can you dispute the source and the info they posted with regards to the reported experts and their analysis? Or can you only attack the source themselves?
You act as if no one has ever posted any info here from a 'blog'....
Until something solid comes out saying otherwise, I am going to rely on the ALLEDGED witness that pretty much says he SAW that GZ was the one doing the pleading.
As I have said before, we will eventully find out... 
.... I hope they take the stand.
...that those 'No's' are gonna bite him in the ass at the immunity hearing and subsequent trial if required.
....did not appear to see anything clearly that I can tell, the State must have some compelling witnesses that we have not yet heard about.
I look forward to hearing more about them. Hopefully the case is unsealed.
...that this witness does not even exist?
That's sad...
You also can't prove it was not Martin screaming for his life can you? BUT there is one fact you cannot refute regardless of your pathetic attempts. Martin was unarmed and shot to death. Funny how you try to defend the person doing the shooting... the person who went out of their way to confront Martin, WHICH set things into motion.
.....to prove anything.
I only have an alledged eyewitness statement to go on.
But it is the ONLY KNOWN eyewitness to the screaming and physical altercation, it's really that simple.
Evidence has to be weighed, and rest assured it will be. 
If you have statements from EYEwitnesses that contridict "John" please post the info and I shall weigh the evidence.
that you have nothing to back up your argument.........it is much appreciated.
First of all, thanks for being someone willing to examine what is reported and draw a conclusion based on that, and being able to admit mistakes when you make them. I appreciate your efforts at integrity, a goal we share.
You are right, there is no way to know if that voice test had any bearing, my mistake. I did assume that if that test had produced results contrary to Zimmerman's story, the authorities might have been more inclined to arrest him, and the fact that they didn't led me to assume that such a failure did not occur. That may not be the case.
I do hope the case is proven, one way or the other, beyond a reasonable doubt.
I am also open to new information to help me form my opinion, I also agree the crys/screams origin are critical, thats why the alledged witness 'John" and his known statement has gone a long way in helping me to come to the opinions I currently hold.
To those that just want to wish him away....I just don't know what to say.
so we're going on conjecture, but it's interesting to see different perspectives and where those perspectives are coming from.
...and then claim that I am making huge assumptions?
At least I am basing my opinions on an EYEwitness and not weaving a narrative out of thin air.
...to that witness statement.
Thanks
This AzWorker will be at work soon and will respond later this evening.
I see she talks of a "larger man"
LOL, now that we know the weight difference was 25lbs at the most I wonder who that could be.... hmmm
I cannot wait to read her official statement.
Sorry, but when weighing her statement compared to John's, his has much more info that can be used to ID who was on top of who WITHOUT using any speculation.
We don't have to discern 'young' vs. 'older' voices, or bigger vs. smaller person, especially since the media portrayed this incident as a 250lb man attacking someone that the media made to look like a 12yr old boy.
When a witness characterizes a 6'+ young man as a "little boy" it just cements that they have bought the media narrative hook line and sinker.
Rest assured we wil see her official statement(s) as well as all the others and we can then weigh them all.
Please read up on 'confabulation'
To be clear, my post was aimed at the individual that made a claim and then refused to back it up.
the the post you're replying to.
My head is spinning.
Not one of us knows specifically what happened between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin that night. The potential witnesses don't even know. It was getting dark, and it was raining. Whatever happened did so within a matter of a few minutes.
It seems to me that witnesses at a trial will be far more legitimate sources of information than those put forth in the media.
...that we will find out that Zimmerman did not leave the station that night with that jacket, infact I would not be suprised if they took most of his clothing into evidence that evening at the station. Somone very likely brought him down a change of clothing or he was given the typical 'paper suit'
recall that there was so much that GZ had been allowed to keep his firearm when later that was shown to not be the case.
And 5+ hours of questioning the first night, and more the following days to include a reenactment on the scene hardly paints a picture of a back slapping, good ol' boy "good shoot, sign here please" situation....
Let us not forget that it has been alledged that the lead investigator Chris Serino wanted a charge and alledgedly stated to a young witness and his mother that he did not belive GZ and wanted to 'catch him in a lie'
So which is it?
that you seem to have got yourself so flustered that you are lashing out and attacking.
Take a breath...please.