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RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:44 PM Apr 2012

The Rise of Christian Fascism and Its Threat to American Democracy

This is an old article from 2007. I just read it again and much of it seems relevant, at least IMO, to today.

See >>> http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/?page=entire

Truthdig / By Chris Hedges

We must attend to growing social and economic inequities in order to stop the most dangerous mass movement in American history -- or face a future of fascism under the guise of Christian values.

February 8, 2007 |

Dr. James Luther Adams, my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School, told his students that when we were his age -- he was then close to 80 -- we would all be fighting the "Christian fascists."

The warning, given 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat Robertson and other radio and television evangelists began speaking about a new political religion that would direct its efforts toward taking control of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a global Christian empire. This call for fundamentalists and evangelicals to take political power was a radical and ominous mutation of traditional Christianity. It was hard, at the time, to take such fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible.


The Christian right has lured tens of millions of Americans, who rightly feel abandoned and betrayed by the political system, from the reality-based world to one of magic -- to fantastic visions of angels and miracles, to a childlike belief that God has a plan for them and Jesus will guide and protect them. This mythological worldview, one that has no use for science or dispassionate, honest intellectual inquiry, one that promises that the loss of jobs and health insurance does not matter, as long as you are right with Jesus, offers a lying world of consistency that addresses the emotional yearnings of desperate followers at the expense of reality. It creates a world where facts become interchangeable with opinions, where lies become true -- the very essence of the totalitarian state. It includes a dark license to kill, to obliterate all those who do not conform to this vision, from Muslims in the Middle East to those at home who refuse to submit to the movement. And it conveniently empowers a rapacious oligarchy whose god is maximum profit at the expense of citizens.


We now live in a nation where the top 1 percent control more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined, where we have legalized torture and can lock up citizens without trial. Arthur Schlesinger, in "The Cycles of American History," wrote that "the great religious ages were notable for their indifference to human rights in the contemporary sense -- not only for their acquiescence in poverty, inequality and oppression, but for their enthusiastic justification of slavery, persecution, torture and genocide."


Two decades later, even in the face of the growing reach of the Christian right, his prediction seems apocalyptic. And yet the powerbrokers in the Christian right have moved from the fringes of society to the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Forty-five senators and 186 members of the House before the last elections earned approval ratings of 80 to100 percent from the three most influential Christian right advocacy groups -- the Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. President Bush has handed hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid to these groups and dismantled federal programs in science, reproductive rights and AIDS research to pay homage to the pseudo-science and quackery of the Christian right.


The unchecked rape of America, which continues with the blessing of both political parties, heralds not only the empowerment of this American oligarchy but the eventual death of the democratic state and birth of American fascism.


See >>> http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/?page=entire
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The Rise of Christian Fascism and Its Threat to American Democracy (Original Post) RKP5637 Apr 2012 OP
And the sad fact of the matter is that ninety percent of these truedelphi Apr 2012 #1
Quite true, they love the gore and harsh punishment of the Old Testament. RKP5637 Apr 2012 #3
I don't think it would matter. JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #35
Thanks for the info / link!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2012 #43
This is their view of Jesus! RKP5637 Apr 2012 #24
Nope. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #36
thanks juioli024566 Apr 2012 #2
Welcome to DU! RKP5637 Apr 2012 #4
What scares me is the way they twist EVERYTHING from the bible to the constitution to fit their Justice wanted Apr 2012 #5
It is scary, and they offer no compromise. It truly is the Christian Taliban. RKP5637 Apr 2012 #9
And the fact that they seem to have a strong hold on the military is also freaky AND how congress an Justice wanted Apr 2012 #32
That's what scares me too. n/t truedelphi Apr 2012 #51
Know who said this....? Bigmack Apr 2012 #6
John Dean recounts this conversation hifiguy Apr 2012 #8
Timeless words of wisdom! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2012 #11
Which tells you how far we have gone nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #15
Goldwater - left of Obama upi402 Apr 2012 #17
Wow. Another jewel from the mouth of the 1964's Zorra Apr 2012 #20
Imagine having conservatives that you could respect but disagree with... saras Apr 2012 #29
Bookmarked for later hifiguy Apr 2012 #7
I think there's a typo in the link? I got the following ... RKP5637 Apr 2012 #13
Google isn't your friend, but can answer some simple questions. www.yuricareport.com saras Apr 2012 #30
Thanks!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2012 #42
Thanks again! This is really interesting!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2012 #44
More relevant than ever with the current crop of GOP zealots. Scarey crew. freshwest Apr 2012 #10
Local story that is relevant nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #12
What I also find really concerning is what you said about RKP5637 Apr 2012 #16
Yup that and college and ed boards. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #21
When I read some of the credentials of those wanting to be RKP5637 Apr 2012 #22
Yup...it is true. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #23
It's not just "the people" who fail saras Apr 2012 #31
Christian fascism has a decidedly un-Christian ring indepat Apr 2012 #14
Jesus save me upi402 Apr 2012 #18
I left my church years ago and I'm better off for it. Initech Apr 2012 #49
Chris Hedges wrote a whole book on this topic. provis99 Apr 2012 #19
As a liberal Christian, I think that the Christian Right is a disgrace. Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #25
More Christian bashing? Obamacare Apr 2012 #26
How is it pointing out that the extreme right wing nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #27
Excellent point YesURParanoid Apr 2012 #39
Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2012 #41
No more than it's Muslim-bashing to dislike Al Quaeda, or antisemitism to dislike Kahanists LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #28
whoooosh! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #33
yes, more well deserved xtian bashing.. KG Apr 2012 #34
Good to know some Christians JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #37
These people are not Christians IMO. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2012 #40
I'm sick of undergroundpanther Apr 2012 #45
Yep! I left religion decades ago and never looked back. Your last RKP5637 Apr 2012 #46
Not Christian bashing; FASCIST bashing. BeHereNow Apr 2012 #48
This paragraph really sums it up siligut Apr 2012 #38
I am a Christian, and I don't see this as Christian bashing at all DLine Apr 2012 #47
That's what really irks me about MSM, for example. They put these people on like RKP5637 Apr 2012 #50

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
1. And the sad fact of the matter is that ninety percent of these
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:51 PM
Apr 2012

Fundie Christians spend much more time reading and quoting the Old Testament, and St Paul, than ever considering the words of Jesus.



RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
3. Quite true, they love the gore and harsh punishment of the Old Testament.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:55 PM
Apr 2012

Often, I think they are completely antithetical to the teachings of Jesus, whom I as a non-religious person appreciate.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
35. I don't think it would matter.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 07:38 AM
Apr 2012

It's fun to imagine that the Jesus part of the bible is actually enlightened. While there are a few glimmers it is little better than the rest of the bible.

No, really. Read it.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt_list.html

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
5. What scares me is the way they twist EVERYTHING from the bible to the constitution to fit their
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:59 PM
Apr 2012

world view and if you do not share these views YOU are EVIL and going to destroy America.

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
32. And the fact that they seem to have a strong hold on the military is also freaky AND how congress an
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 07:03 AM
Apr 2012

basically office of the president also cow-taws to them as well.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
6. Know who said this....?
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:59 PM
Apr 2012

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the <Republican> party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

"A lot of so-called conservatives today don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the religious right. It's not a conservative issue at all."

"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?"

"And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

Hint: He lost the 1964 Presidential election because he was too extreme.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. John Dean recounts this conversation
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:03 PM
Apr 2012

at length in his "Conservatives Without Conscience." He was a long time friend of Goldwater's. It should be said that Goldwater hated the Xtian reich more than he ever disliked Democrats. He absolutely despised them with all his being.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
17. Goldwater - left of Obama
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:39 PM
Apr 2012

and he used to be considered radical right.

I want my country back and I do blame the Chritians in large part for enabling the neocon creeping-junta.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
20. Wow. Another jewel from the mouth of the 1964's
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:47 PM
Apr 2012

model conservative.

He'd about be considered a radical liberal today.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
29. Imagine having conservatives that you could respect but disagree with...
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 04:32 AM
Apr 2012

...you might even be able to improve your own positions and proposals through honest debate. Imagine that.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. Bookmarked for later
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:01 PM
Apr 2012

Also, check out www.theyuricareport.com. I thought it was a kook site the first time I found it years ago, but it is nothing of the sort. Hardcore investigative reporting about the rise of Xtian fascism that includes an analysis of Rushdooney and the plot revealed by General Smedley Butler.

Sinclair Lewis was right - when fascism comes to the US it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
13. I think there's a typo in the link? I got the following ...
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:27 PM
Apr 2012

" ... can't find the server at www.theyuricareport.com."

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. Local story that is relevant
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:26 PM
Apr 2012

and no, some of this we cannot run since I cannot independently confirm it, but...

The city of El Cajon, a local developer is the local johnny appleseed of churches. He buys property, converts it, donates it to the church, gets tax shelter from the donation. Yup, it is legal.

Gets worst, the city loses that tax base.

Oh and since it is the largest developer if you are not a member of the right church and happen to be a general contractor, think of another city... this is the part I cannot hope to confirm even if... well let's not go there.

Yes I am going there, so save the Goodwin award. This is exactly how the Nazi party worked in the small towns... in Germany oh circa 1933-4... you were a member of the party, in this case the right group, you got work.

There is more... just in case... the council does whatever the developer tells them. One of the people involved in this, remember KONY 2012, that be dad.

Oh and they are also behind a project to pack local circuit court with the "right judges" who will put the word of god above the word of man...

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
16. What I also find really concerning is what you said about
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:33 PM
Apr 2012

judges. "Oh and they are also behind a project to pack local circuit court with the "right judges" who will put the word of god above the word of man..."

People do not pay enough attention IMO to voting for judges. Often, they do not bother, so those organized with packing the court with judges can do so easily.

I've tried to convince people I know, as much as I can, not to take the remaining democracy in this country for granted.

IMO we have a lot of lazy apathetic voters in the US, and one day they will wake up when it's way too late. And especially for judges, it's often hard to sort out their background and what they are about.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
22. When I read some of the credentials of those wanting to be
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:19 AM
Apr 2012

trustees of the college here I cringe. They are RW corp. types only interested in adding a trustee position to their repertoire.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
31. It's not just "the people" who fail
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 04:41 AM
Apr 2012

I go out of my way to know about, and vote well on, minor candidates and issues, and consistently find that voter information organizations of all sorts do a REALLY BAD job of providing good, simple, straightforward information on judges. It's an enormous amount of work to do it yourself, so I sort of understand why they don't, but still.

It's far too common for judge races to be decided by one trivial issue - a single ruling, or some bit of personal info. Almost never do I feel like I can choose judges based on their whole record and philosophy, let alone do I see a whole election do it.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
14. Christian fascism has a decidedly un-Christian ring
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:32 PM
Apr 2012

to it and its practitioners are blasphemously so.

Initech

(100,063 posts)
49. I left my church years ago and I'm better off for it.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:49 PM
Apr 2012

They were definitely leaning toward preaching right-wing values and after 9/11 it was getting scary. I would hate to see what it's like there now.

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
19. Chris Hedges wrote a whole book on this topic.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:45 PM
Apr 2012

American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
25. As a liberal Christian, I think that the Christian Right is a disgrace.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:43 AM
Apr 2012

They are an utter embarrassment to our religion, and their views contradict the main principles of Christianity. For example, they see Socialism as a bad word and refuse to lend a helping hand to the poor yet believe in pampering the rich, and they are intolerant of the views of atheists and people from different faiths.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
27. How is it pointing out that the extreme right wing
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:08 AM
Apr 2012

wants a theocracy Christian Bashing? I do not think anybody was an issue with mainstream Christianity, but the intolerant, this country is a christian nation that should be ruled by the law of leviticus... if you think that is bashing, oh well.

I guess I engage in Muslim bashing when I critique the extreme right wing for running theocracies, or anti-Semitism when I am critical of the extreme right wing that also wants a theocracy, and a fascist state.

 

YesURParanoid

(5 posts)
39. Excellent point
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 08:41 AM
Apr 2012

Christians love to whine that Muslim leaders don't speak out against activities by Islamic terrorists yet when a Christian Terrorist kills someone christian leadership for the most part are silent and some 'leaders' even encourage additional Christian Terrorist activities.

Pointing it out is not bashing nor is using their religious books to point out their hypocrisy.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
28. No more than it's Muslim-bashing to dislike Al Quaeda, or antisemitism to dislike Kahanists
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 03:19 AM
Apr 2012

Nobody was saying that Christians in general are fascists; only that there is a far-right theocratic movement that is.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
37. Good to know some Christians
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 07:43 AM
Apr 2012

are so over-sensitive about their precious faith that to shine a light on the most evil component of their fellow Christians is "Christian bashing".

Need a refill on your kool-aid there Bunky?

Julie

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
45. I'm sick of
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:51 PM
Apr 2012

christians saying a bad person isn't christian. The bible is two faced,it's not all love,it's got god sanctioned murder,rape,child abuse in it too.

So christian,a nasty christian you don't think is christian IS christian if he says he is,he is.

Christianity is not a loving,peaceful or good religion,it has plenty of ugliness in it.
you focus on one part of the belief,others focus on the evil in christianity.

After all he who knows all and all that happens and is to come knows also full well lucifer would fall,knew people would suffer,planned it all out.To me that god is an abusive two faced pos. So it does not surprise me when a belief system fails to make a person good,all religions fail to make a sociopath not be what he is. But the sociopath can fool and use believers for his own purposes.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
46. Yep! I left religion decades ago and never looked back. Your last
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:09 PM
Apr 2012

sentence was right on. "But the sociopath can fool and use believers for his own purposes." I see a lot of that going on with the RW'ers and their religion and all. As some politician once said, something like this, go to the faithful and convince them you are good and represent them and they'll blindly follow you anywhere. And they become a bunch of tools, blindly voting.

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
48. Not Christian bashing; FASCIST bashing.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:39 PM
Apr 2012

You will not find a single Christian who condones fascism-
However, you find MANY fascists who proclaim to be Christians; especially in government at all levels.

You shall know them by their works and a bad tree will not produce good fruit.

BHN

siligut

(12,272 posts)
38. This paragraph really sums it up
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 08:35 AM
Apr 2012
This mythological worldview, one that has no use for science or dispassionate, honest intellectual inquiry, one that promises that the loss of jobs and health insurance does not matter, as long as you are right with Jesus, offers a lying world of consistency that addresses the emotional yearnings of desperate followers at the expense of reality. It creates a world where facts become interchangeable with opinions, where lies become true -- the very essence of the totalitarian state.


Reality is so hard and this fantasy promises everything.

DLine

(397 posts)
47. I am a Christian, and I don't see this as Christian bashing at all
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:15 PM
Apr 2012

Jesus warned of many false teachers. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Just because people say or do things in the name of Christianity does not give their words and actions a free pass IMO.

RKP5637

(67,104 posts)
50. That's what really irks me about MSM, for example. They put these people on like
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 02:24 PM
Apr 2012

they represent all Christians. I'm not a religious person, but I do resent these people representing all Christians because, as you said, we know full well they are, "Wolves in sheep's clothing."

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