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abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:47 AM Dec 2014

Wall Street Demands Derivatives Deregulation

Wall Street Demands Derivatives Deregulation In Government Shutdown Bill


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6272776


WASHINGTON -- Wall Street lobbyists are trying to secure taxpayer backing for many derivatives trades as part of budget talks to avert a government shutdown.

According to multiple Democratic sources, banks are pushing hard to include the controversial provision in funding legislation that would keep the government operating after Dec. 11. Top negotiators in the House are taking the derivatives provision seriously, and may include it in the final bill, the sources said.

The bank perks are not a traditional budget item. They would allow financial institutions to trade certain financial derivatives from subsidiaries that are insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. -- potentially putting taxpayers on the hook for losses caused by the risky contracts. Big Wall Street banks had typically traded derivatives from these FDIC-backed units, but the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial reform law required them to move many of the transactions to other subsidiaries that are not insured by taxpayers.

Taxpayer insurance helps banks secure higher credit ratings for their derivatives, since taxpayers assume some of the risk, which in turn makes the banks more profitable.


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Wall Street Demands Derivatives Deregulation (Original Post) abelenkpe Dec 2014 OP
wow Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #1
WTF? TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #22
I know right?! abelenkpe Dec 2014 #41
wall street is destroying democracy. pansypoo53219 Dec 2014 #2
With the assistance of millions who love money for themselves more than justice for all. nt raouldukelives Dec 2014 #20
This is bad JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #3
Yes, I will certainly get on the phone and raise hell steve2470 Dec 2014 #32
Seriously steve - I will not support JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #36
I agree, this is completely insane steve2470 Dec 2014 #37
Like George Carlin said...(that) they won't quit until they get it all. nt snappyturtle Dec 2014 #4
. Recursion Dec 2014 #5
m%therf&cker# AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #6
This would be as stupid as giving tax breaks to the oil industry...........oh, wait. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #7
O.F.F.S. denbot Dec 2014 #8
and they'll sell it marym625 Dec 2014 #15
The derivatives markets were a very large part of why the 2007/2008 crash happened RiverLover Dec 2014 #9
Sure, why not? DeSwiss Dec 2014 #10
+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2014 #11
Why wait for a crash? They aren't that hard to get at. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #13
+1 marym625 Dec 2014 #14
I hate this kind of thinking el_bryanto Dec 2014 #34
It only goes into the crapper for the Little People. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #53
Exactly - people who can't afford it pick up the damage - nt el_bryanto Dec 2014 #55
EWWWWWWWWWWW! Odin2005 Dec 2014 #52
derivatives are the biggest fraud ever marym625 Dec 2014 #12
+1,000 Scuba Dec 2014 #16
they are really useful for the right companies.. airlines use srican69 Dec 2014 #21
I'm sorry marym625 Dec 2014 #58
And they WILL get it. 99Forever Dec 2014 #17
"The show must go on." nt bemildred Dec 2014 #18
Move your money mtngirl47 Dec 2014 #19
and then expect to have to fight Wall Street/D.C. to keep credit unions open. mikehiggins Dec 2014 #24
so just roll over and take it? mtngirl47 Dec 2014 #30
The only way to stop these criminals is the guillotine. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #54
Wall Street needs a short ride in a tumbrel. hobbit709 Dec 2014 #23
(insert string of semi-intelligible curse words here.) Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #25
Here it is.. sendero Dec 2014 #26
The vampire squid attached to the face of humanity is back to the pump. Snarkoleptic Dec 2014 #27
No. tridim Dec 2014 #28
+1 n.t. RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #33
Any Democrat that votes for this shit.... sgtbenobo Dec 2014 #29
President Obama, please fight this with every ounce of energy you have steve2470 Dec 2014 #31
It is heartening that he is opposed to it. Hopefully they can put a stop to it. el_bryanto Dec 2014 #35
yes I'm very glad to hear that! nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #38
Please tweet/FB/social media this, this has to go down in flames!!!!!! nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #39
Sigh.... /nt think Dec 2014 #40
The key to success is to trade with somebody elses money. Turbineguy Dec 2014 #42
Socialism for the Oh-So-Social Set. Octafish Dec 2014 #44
+1 Brilliant! Can I borrow that? nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #45
Feel free, my Friend. Thanks for the kind words! Octafish Dec 2014 #46
Thanks Octafish! :) And thanks for the article. wow... RiverLover Dec 2014 #50
this one ? steve2470 Dec 2014 #47
Voy hoy. Octafish Dec 2014 #48
No, señor, yo no sé nada nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #49
I've already started calling fredamae Dec 2014 #43
Shameless psychopaths. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #51
I predict they'll get a nice big bipartisan bailout - with bonuses! - the end of 2016. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #56
bump nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #57

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
22. WTF?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:45 AM
Dec 2014

Is every outgoing president going to screw us?

Surely, this isn't going to happen? Obama? Where are you

What the hell......arrrgggghhhhhhhh

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
41. I know right?!
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:14 AM
Dec 2014

You'd think he'd lay low after all we've been through since the bailouts but the nerve. Hope this doesn't happen.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
3. This is bad
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:55 AM
Dec 2014

That can't be in any agreement. This is one to get on the phone and to write all Democratic office holders in opposition to. It gives the government free reign for bail out when Hedge Fund and Investment banks lose the bet. And due to the global reach of those funds - the risk is high for a loss.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
36. Seriously steve - I will not support
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:24 AM
Dec 2014

Here or anywhere - at the booth or with my check book -

Any democratic party member that approves this inclusion.

It's absolutely insane.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
37. I agree, this is completely insane
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:26 AM
Dec 2014

I will donate to the Democratic primary opponent of anyone who is for this. Nelson of FL better oppose this, I'm sure Rubio of FL will be for this. My own Republican rep. will probably be for this, but he's hopeless.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
7. This would be as stupid as giving tax breaks to the oil industry...........oh, wait.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 06:19 AM
Dec 2014

This nation is on a path to pure destruction. All for the profits for a select few at the expense of HUNDREDS of millions.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
8. O.F.F.S.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 06:36 AM
Dec 2014

Really,after a trillion + of OUR sweat, savings, and equity vanished, and they have the fucking nerve to push this shit.

The fucking gall.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
9. The derivatives markets were a very large part of why the 2007/2008 crash happened
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 06:46 AM
Dec 2014

because we didn't have Glass-Steagall anymore to protect us. (Citi spent $100 million lobbying to get rid of G-S)

And now they want to side-step the lite version of that Dodd-Frank to gamble with our money directly? Is that what I'm reading?

Great.

And A Democrat pushed for this last year? I missed this.

from the linked article~

Last year, Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) introduced the same provision under debate in the current budget talks. The legislative text was written by a Citigroup lobbyist, according to The New York Times. The bill passed the House by a vote of 292 to 122 in October 2013, 122 Democrats opposed, and 70 in favor. All but three House Republicans supported the bill.

Himes was passed over for leadership positions after the 2014 midterm elections, which he said he interpreted as unrest within the Democratic Party over his strong ties to financial elites.

"My guess is, it was a factor, which is disappointing because I think the criticism is way off base," said Himes, who previously worked at Goldman Sachs.
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
10. Sure, why not?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:11 AM
Dec 2014
- The faster this piece of shit economy goes into the dumper the faster we can get rid of these greedy bastards. It's gonna hurt either way. The longer we wait, the more it'll hurt.......

K&R




If anybody needs me during the Revolution, I'll be at either the Monsanto or FDA neuterings.....

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
34. I hate this kind of thinking
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:23 AM
Dec 2014

I mean i get what you are saying, and it might happen - but as the economy goes into the crapper the people who will be hurt the most are the poor, and working class. Real people are going to really suffer, probably for a long time.

Bryant

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
53. It only goes into the crapper for the Little People.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:34 PM
Dec 2014

The big shot walk away with bonuses from the bailout money.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
12. derivatives are the biggest fraud ever
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 07:46 AM
Dec 2014

Most of them can't even define it. The accounting world can't even agree on how to account for them. Although, that changes whenever needed to help the rich increase their balance sheets

These people should be in jail. How about going after real criminals like Dimond and Summers instead of people like Eric Garner and Mike Brown.

srican69

(1,426 posts)
21. they are really useful for the right companies.. airlines use
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:45 AM
Dec 2014

Them to smooth out fuel prices and keep operations predicable. They are big part of agri businesses.

They are rarely ever used in naked bets .. But are used to hedge a position already held.

What should not be done, as Goldman did, was knowingly sell a losing position to a party and then make the opposing bet using a derivative. Goldman not only did that... But actually engineered financial products that were designed to fail by packing it with crappy mortgages and then proceeded to buy credit default swaps ( insurance) on them.. What really bothered me was that they got paid 100% on those bets through the government bail out of AIG when AIG went kaput.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
17. And they WILL get it.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:30 AM
Dec 2014

We the People no longer have a say in any of this. This administration folds like a cheap suit.

mtngirl47

(988 posts)
19. Move your money
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:38 AM
Dec 2014

It's the only way these criminals can be stopped.

Washington has proven that they are beholden to the "too big to fail" banks. Take your money out of the big banks and put it in a local credit union where you are a share holder and the money stays in your community.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
24. and then expect to have to fight Wall Street/D.C. to keep credit unions open.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:48 AM
Dec 2014

The PTB allready have moved in the direction of crippling credit unions. If a large number of peons, I mean, consumers, switch to CU's the bad guys will increase their efforts.

mtngirl47

(988 posts)
30. so just roll over and take it?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:12 AM
Dec 2014

If they close the credit unions then there is always the mattress solution. Money talks--I won't let them have my money to play with.

Every day I try to make decisions to keep my money local---from trying to buy items made in the USA to eating at a local mom & pop instead of a big franchise. WalMart and Lowes have mostly eliminated small businesses in our rural area, but I have found alternatives and I don't pay any more in the long run.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
25. (insert string of semi-intelligible curse words here.)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:48 AM
Dec 2014

No, just freaking NO!

Can't they even pretend to not be blatantly corrupt for a few more years?

sendero

(28,552 posts)
26. Here it is..
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 08:52 AM
Dec 2014

.... the banks depending on the stupidity of the Average American and the Corruption of our Congress.

I swear if they do this I will pull every dollar I don't need to make payments out of the banking system.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
27. The vampire squid attached to the face of humanity is back to the pump.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:07 AM
Dec 2014

Demanding to privatize huge profits from wild speculation, while socializing the losses.

 

sgtbenobo

(327 posts)
29. Any Democrat that votes for this shit....
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:08 AM
Dec 2014

....should just caucus with the fucking Republican's. If they are so set on serving the oligarchs why can they just show their true stripes. It's not like anyone will do anything about it.

Most, people in this country don't realize that "cake" is the crap on the bottom of an oven.


Carry on.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
35. It is heartening that he is opposed to it. Hopefully they can put a stop to it.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:24 AM
Dec 2014

With majorities in both houses though, the Republicanoids might be able to force it through.

Bryant

Turbineguy

(37,313 posts)
42. The key to success is to trade with somebody elses money.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:30 AM
Dec 2014

You get the vig in and out and the dolts underwrite your losers.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
44. Socialism for the Oh-So-Social Set.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:48 AM
Dec 2014

Dog Eat Dog capitalism for the mopes who also get to pick up the tab.

Anyone know who owns the Ocean Casino?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
46. Feel free, my Friend. Thanks for the kind words!
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:19 PM
Dec 2014

Here's where I got my idea from:



Behind the Curtain: Booz Allen Hamilton and its Owner, The Carlyle Group

Written by Bob Adelmann
The New American; June 13, 2013

According to writers Thomas Heath and Marjorie Censer at the Washington Post, The Carlyle Group and its errant child, Booz Allen Hamilton (BAH), have a public relations problem, thanks to NSA leaker and former BAH employee Edward Snowden. By the time top management at BAH learned that one of their top level agents had gone rogue, and terminated his employment, it was too late.

For years Carlyle had, according to the Post, “nurtured a reputation as a financially sophisticated asset manager that buys and sells everything from railroads to oil refineries”; but now the light from the Snowden revelations has revealed nothing more than two companies, parent and child, “bound by the thread of turning government secrets into profits.”

And have they ever. When The Carlyle Group bought BAH back in 2008, it was totally dependent upon government contracts in the fields of information technology (IT) and systems engineering for its bread and butter. But there wasn't much butter: After two years the company’s gross revenues were $5.1 billion but net profits were a minuscule $25 million, close to a rounding error on the company’s financial statement. In 2012, however, BAH grossed $5.8 billion and showed earnings of $219 million, nearly a nine-fold increase in net revenues and a nice gain in value for Carlyle.

Unwittingly, the Post authors exposed the real reason for the jump in profitability: close ties and interconnected relationships between top people at Carlyle and BAH, and the agencies with which they are working. The authors quoted George Price, an equity analyst at BB&T Capital: "[Booz Allen has] got a great brand, they've focused over time on hiring top people, including bringing on people who have a lot of senior government experience." (Emphasis added.)

For instance, James Clapper had a stint at BAH before becoming the current Director of National Intelligence; George Little consulted with BAH before taking a position at the Central Intelligence Agency; John McConnell, now vice chairman at BAH, was director of the National Security Agency (NSA) in the ‘90s before moving up to director of national intelligence in 2007; Todd Park began his career with BAH and now serves as the country's chief technology officer; James Woolsey, currently a senior vice president at BAH, served in the past as director of the Central Intelligence Agency; and so on.

BAH has had more than a little problem with self-dealing and conflicts of interest over the years. For instance in 2006 the European Commission asked the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Privacy International (PI) to investigate BAH’s involvement with President George Bush’s SWIFT surveillance program, which was viewed by that administration as “just another tool” in its so-called “War on Terror.” The only problem is that it was illegal, as it violated U.S., Belgian, and European privacy laws. BAH was right in the middle of it. According to the ACLU/PI report,

Though Booz Allen’s role is to verify that the access to the SWIFT data is not abused, its relationship with the U.S. Government calls its objectivity significantly into question. (Emphasis added.)

Among Booz Allen’s senior consulting staff are several former members of the intelligence community, including a former Director of the CIA and a former director of the NSA.


As noted by Barry Steinhardt, an ACLU director, “It’s bad enough that the [Bush] administration is trying to hold out a private company as a substitute for genuine checks and balances on its surveillance activities. But of all companies to perform audits on a secret surveillance program, it would be difficult to find one less objective and more intertwined with the U.S. government security establishment.” (Emphasis added.)

CONTINUED w Links n Privatized INTEL...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15696-behind-the-curtain-booz-allen-hamilton-and-its-owner-the-carlyle-group



The Oh-So-Social set, coincidentally I am certainly told, also happened to be the same crowd that became CIA, who welcomed in history's real gangsters to the table.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
50. Thanks Octafish! :) And thanks for the article. wow...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:09 PM
Dec 2014
Though Booz Allen’s role is to verify that the access to the SWIFT data is not abused, its relationship with the U.S. Government calls its objectivity significantly into question.


Its so difficult to believe its gotten as bad as it has, but collectively we really really need to Wake Up.

It sucks that MSM is beholden, by advertising & stock ownership, to the same forces that drive the literal takeover. Most people have absolutely no idea. They are largely keeping people in the dark, or marginalizing the problem if its reported on.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
43. I've already started calling
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:47 AM
Dec 2014

congress. If you're interested in sharing your opinion and congressional directive:

http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/TTD-113.pdf

And just food for thought...a list of very wealthy congresscritters

http://media.cq.com/50Richest/

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