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Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:19 PM

 

Question about police violence, Black citizens, and President Obama

Question: How much do you think the dramatic rise in police violence, especially against Black people, has something to do with America's latent racism that has been brought roaring out of its cave by the fact of a Black president? I'm not thinking that's the whole answer, of course - we were a racist nation before January 2009 - but it seems as if it's gone into hyperdrive since then.

Seems pretty straightforward to me, but it also seems like the elephant in the room no one is talking about. Thoughts?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:21 PM

1. I personally believe there is some connection between the two...

I can go into detail at a later time...

We've also kicked around the idea (a little) in the Afr'Am forum...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:22 PM

2. There's a lot of hate talk going on in this country

and it focuses on the President. I think it is emboldening people to hate more openly.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:24 PM

3. some of us should probably monitor what the propagandists on the right are saying..

....these days. A number of police officers obviously fear black men and must kill them to avoid their own victimization. Where is that fear coming from?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:29 PM

4. I believe his election set our racists off.

 

There are many mediocre people in this nation that have only one thing going for them - being white. Seeing him rise to such high levels lead to two things; a realization that they have been deceived, white people aren't inherently better that black people and feeling of having been ripped off. That can cause a lot of anger.
In some people's mind it is a competition between black and white. They do not like to see us gain because to them that means they lost.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:57 PM

5. No doubt

As you said, not all of it by any means. But when the more vocal racists started shouting when President Obama was elected, the more comfortable those quiet racists became in being vocal.

I think that social media is the biggest reason we see it more now. As time goes by and more and more people use the bigger sites, the more some are aware of something we hoped was fading.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:59 PM

6. Little doubt in my mind that a black President ...

forced most racists out of the closet.

Soon they won't bother trying to hide their dog whistles.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:04 PM

7. It obviously has angered the racists, and made the closeted ones come out

 

+1

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:14 PM

8. Has there been a dramatic rise in police violence? Has there been even a non-dramatic rise?



I have no idea how much violence
1. Is happening now (departments won't tell us)
2. Happened in the past (departments also won't tell us)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:23 PM

12. I think it's getting more attention

Whether it's on the rise or not is debatable though. We are definitely being exposed to more of it through people videoing encounters and social media.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:20 PM

9. i believe it's a huge contributing factor. perhaps the main factor.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:12 PM

10. events do not happen in a vacuum

...of course it is a result of the overt (and not so) racism come to the surface

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:13 PM

11. Everything else is Obamas fault, why not police violence ?

See how that works ?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:41 PM

13. Unfortunately I think it has a lot to do with the way he is treated. There is a whole sector of hate

mongers who think they are fighting for their culture when in fact they are destroying our entire country. And while much of it can be connected to the KKK and such groups much of it can also be laid at the feet of ordinary people who accepted the "welfare queen" lies of raygun and his followers and think it is true, especially regarding people of color.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:20 PM

14. My thought is that is is abysmally sad that

what I fully expected did not happen:
I thought that exposure to a black man, and then one with the most powerful job, would de-sensitize people to color. I felt certain that regular visual visits with our President makes them recognize the sameness of our humanity. I was sure that the color of his skin after a while would be unnoticed and would help us move out of being a country where the color of one's skin already determines how one is classified and labeled upon entering a room.

Dammit. It did not work out that way at all. Racism began to bubble like in a cauldron.The unjust incidents are putting a fire under it in good ways and bad ways.
Just like with all social change for the better the unrest is part of it, so as long as it is peaceful I participate and support it.

One day, President Obama had been on Martha's Vineyard for one of his short and well deserved breaks.
I walked by my TV and he was speaking. I said out loud: "Hey man, nice tan". And then collapsed laughing.

That's what I would have wished for the country. And eventually, slowly, it will come.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:24 PM

15. Are more black people getting killed by the police, or is it just getting better coverage?

I honestly don't know.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:36 PM

16. Question about your premise(s): has there been a 'dramatic rise in police violence' since 2009? From

 

my reading and talking with black friends, police violence against people of color has been a long-standing given.

Not saying you're wrong, but I wonder whether there's just increased visibility for a brutality that has never gone away.

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