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The fuckers who authorized and ordered the use of TORTURE still walk free. Every American should be ASHAMED.
BubbaFett
(361 posts)I've often (in my darker moments) have considered that this country isn't worth trying to save.
It just seems like one big sham/farce, all at taxpayer expense.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)charges against the W terrorist organization?
If he or she were prez?
Would Bernie?
I have to be honest, nope, none of them would...
I can understand the reasons they wouldnt, but at the end of the day, what happened to this country and others when the SC stole that election, was horrible, from torture to the annihilation of our economy
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Post 9/11 and Anthrax attacks, I do not know.
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KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)You don't know that. We all thought in 2004 that if Kerry had won, things would be different. I imagine that if you asked people in 2008, whether Mr. Hope and Change would continue torturing and murdering people, an awful lot would have bet their home that he wouldn't.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)taking office in 2009 was an Executive Order banning the use of torture by any U.S. personnel.
I understand that force-feeding the hunger strikers at Gitmo may qualify as 'torture' under some definitions of the word. But the practices outlined in the Senate Summary came to a shrieking halt as of Jan 20, 2009. (I actually think they ended in practice back in 2006 after the Dems took office and RummyDummy resigned, so Obama's EO was something of a formality.)
Now, having written that, there's simply no excuse for our gross abrogation of our obligations under the Geneva Convention on Torture to investigate and prosecute credible allegations of torture. That failure can and should be laid firmly at Obama's feet and one can argue that is almost as bad as ordering torture itself. But a refusal to prosecute torturers from the ancien regime is not the same thing as actually ordering torture.
Initech
(100,060 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)Whatever the outcome of the report, public transparency has at least been given some credence. By elected officials of that same government. I think the report is a forceful, damning recount of what happened in our name during that period, 2001- 2008. Don't discount that.
randome
(34,845 posts)I'm glad the report is out and I think we should take our lumps for what occurred. But is it any worse than forced genital mutilation? Any worse than beheading strangers?
I keep hearing how America is not so special, after all. And I agree. This only confirms it. But to think that our travesties are worse than anyone else's still seems to play into the narrative that America is somehow 'above' everyone else.
We aren't.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)President greatness Obama put a stop to the evils of Cheney the asshole who should die soon
We should be ashamed of what was done. But 'God damn this country' seems a bit too much, IMO. Do we hear other countries say that when they show their own travesties?
America is not special and so God's wrath (whatever that is) is not reserved for us alone.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"But 'God damn this country' seems a bit too much..."
No... it seems rather tame given the actions of a nation that holds itself as an example, a beacon and a refuge. It also seems a rather appropriate visceral reaction to the actions, regardless of one wrings their hands in prognostication of its assistance in "only help the GOP"
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)It seems to be a peculiarly American trait to see ourselves as 'more worthy'. Sure, I'm quibbling but 'God damn this country' does not apply to you nor to my daughters nor to anyone else I know.
The blame -and the damnation- is solely on Bush, Jr. and his minions.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)sacrificed any moral high ground we had.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)so much!
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Now with no other superpower to be compared to, here we are. There's a reason empires/centers of power do bad shit. A) Because of course they can if they want to, B) there is no objective truth, and C) it's not easy running the show. Morals are subject to time and place. They can change slowly, or on a whim.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)some people thought that releasing this report would encourage people to hate America.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"and to think some people thought..."
They would then be the same dogmatic half-wits who rationalized the original actions, yet criticize its new-found transparency.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Anyone who can talk about torture as a necessary 'technique' or call it anything but what it is, i.e. TORTURE, not 'enhance questioning' or any other BS - should be ashamed of themselves.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)most definitely pay in the next. But it is hard to believe in anything now so I do not know.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I mind like that won't hold up to how pissed off all of us are. He was the first to try to spin it. FAIL.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Were fortunate to have men and women who work hard at the CIA serving on our behalf. These are patriots and whatever the report says, if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it is way off base.
G.W. Bush
There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton
spanone
(135,816 posts)what a dumbfuck.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)without embarrassing themselves
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)progressoid
(49,969 posts)It's God Bless America®
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)But your condemnation of this country is totally out of historical and global context.
It's extraordinarily rare for criminal leaders to face accountability, and gets rarer the more powerful the country involved is.