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silverlib

(2,521 posts)
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 07:06 PM Apr 2012

I have rendered unto Caesar

Last edited Sat Apr 21, 2012, 08:55 PM - Edit history (1)

This past year, I worked part time as a contractor in addition to my regular job, so I have written out what is, for me, a big check to IRS. I am happy that I live in a country, unlike the country that Caesar ruled many years ago, that helps out the 'un-blessed,' although not nearly as much as I think we should. For what is the purpose of the blessed if not to help the 'un-blessed.'

"Protecting the rights of even the least individual among us is basically the only excuse the government has for even existing." Ronald Reagan - probably prior to becoming a Republican.

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I have rendered unto Caesar (Original Post) silverlib Apr 2012 OP
unto. n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #1
Caesar's going to have to put me on the installment plan this year man4allcats Apr 2012 #2
I've been on that plan since 2008 lunatica Apr 2012 #3
I remember that song. man4allcats Apr 2012 #5
Rome heavily subsidized grain and bread, or gave it out free muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #4
I'm stalling for time pscot Apr 2012 #6
"...I have written out what is, for me, a big check to IRS." unkachuck Apr 2012 #7

man4allcats

(4,026 posts)
2. Caesar's going to have to put me on the installment plan this year
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 07:13 PM
Apr 2012

because I ain't got it! Either that or he can come and lock my broke ass up. Those are his choices.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
3. I've been on that plan since 2008
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 07:25 PM
Apr 2012

And they've just added what I owe every year since. So like that old song, I owe my soul to the company store. Keep digging and what do you get. Another day older and deeper in debt. St. Peter don't you call my name. 'cause I owe my soul to the company store.

Caesar get's what Caesar wants. One way or tother. It has nothing to do with our free choice.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
4. Rome heavily subsidized grain and bread, or gave it out free
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 07:42 PM
Apr 2012
Throughout most of the Republican era, the care of the grain supply (cura annona) was part of the aedile's duties. The annona was personified as a goddess, and the grain dole was distributed from the Temple of Ceres. As early as 440 BC, however,[1] the Roman Senate may have appointed a special officer called the praefectus annonae with greatly extended powers. An emergency cura annona was an important source of influence and power for Pompeius Magnus ("Pompey the Great&quot in his later career. Under the Principate, the position of praefectus annonae became permanent, while a range of privileges, including grants of citizenship and exemption from certain duties, were extended to ship-owners who signed contracts to transport grain to the city.

A large part of the city's supply was obtained through the free market. Prices in the city were invariably high, and merchants could count on making a profit. Grain was also collected as tax in kind from certain provinces; some of this was distributed to officials and soldiers and some was sold at market rates.

Grain supply was an important issue for the Gracchi, with the elder brother Tiberius Gracchus arguing that consolidation of Roman agricultural lands in the hands of a few had pushed landless Romans into the city, where they found poverty rather than employment. Under the grain law of Gaius Gracchus in 123 BC, a portion of the grain collected as revenue for the state was sold at a subsidised rate to citizens. The grain supply was a consistent "plank" in the popularist platform for political leaders who appealed to the plebs.[2]

The price of grain became a major issue when the Roman province of Sicily revolted repeatedly, thus pushing the price to unaffordable levels. Lowering grain prices became an important part of the political platform of the radical popularist Saturninus, who acquired the office of plebeian tribune an unusual three times.

In 58 BC, the patrician-turned-plebeian Clodius Pulcher advanced a popularist political agenda in his bid for the tribunate by offering free grain for the poor. The expense was considerable, and Julius Caesar later reformed the dole. Augustus considered abolishing it altogether, but instead reduced the number of the recipients to 200,000, and perhaps later 150,000.

Later emperors all used free or greatly subsidized grain to keep the populace fed. The political use of the grain supply along with gladiatorial games and other entertainments gave rise to the saying "Bread and circuses". As the empire continued, the annona became more complex. During the reign of Septimius Severus, olive oil was added to the distribution, and during that of Aurelian, pork and wine.

With the devaluation of currency in the course of the third century, the army was paid in rationed supplies (annonae) as well as in specie from the later third century, through a cumbrous administration of collection and redistribution. The role of the state in distributing the annona remained a central feature of its unity and power: "the cessation of this state function in the fifth century was a major factor leading to economic fragmentation, as was the end of the grain requisition for the city of Rome". Averil Cameron notes.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain_supply_to_the_city_of_Rome
 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
7. "...I have written out what is, for me, a big check to IRS."
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:44 PM
Apr 2012

....you're a good person, silverlib....may your blessing continue to grow and multiply....

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