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question everything

(47,440 posts)
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 12:50 AM Dec 2014

Delta worker's 26-year job is gone in 30 seconds for critical remarks

(As requested, cross posting from other forums)

Article by: JON TEVLIN , Star Tribune

For 26 years, Kip Hedges worked to build a reputation and a job history, loading and unloading planes for Northwest Airlines, then Delta. It was not glamorous work, but it was a good, honest job and it paid the bills. It took less than 30 seconds for it to all go away, over a few seemingly innocuous words uttered to the reporter of a labor publication. Free speech often has a steep price.

Hedges had been part of an effort to raise wages of airline industry workers, the cleaners, bag slingers and wheelchair pushers, to a minimum of $15 an hour. He was fired during a week of actions in which labor activists drew attention to a move to raise wages at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

(snip)

So, what were the “disparaging” words that Hedges used about this employer?

“A lot of the Delta workers make under $15 an hour,” Hedges told the reporter for Workday Minnesota. “As a matter of fact, I would say probably close to half make under $15 an hour. So there’s a lot of them that understand how important this is. And a lot of the better-paid workers also understand that the bottom has to be raised otherwise the top is going to fall, as well.”

Words strong enough to take down an airline projected to make $4 billion this year, no doubt.

(snip)

John Budd, who specializes in labor relations at the University of Minnesota’s Carlson School of Management, thinks Delta’s action was designed to intimidate.

(snip)

Even though he has been active previously in union issues and has always spoken out on labor issues, Hedges never saw his termination coming.

(snip)

Transportation workers like Hedges are not protected by the National Labor Relations Act like private-sector workers, who can appeal mistreatment in the workplace. If Hedges loses his appeal, he plans to sue for wrongful termination in federal court.

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http://www.startribune.com/local/285302471.html

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Delta worker's 26-year job is gone in 30 seconds for critical remarks (Original Post) question everything Dec 2014 OP
Southwest should hire her. Good PR and good in general. Socal31 Dec 2014 #1
Southwest - Walmart of the skies? dencol Dec 2014 #9
Sounds familiar, Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #2
The really sad thing is that back in the day SheilaT Dec 2014 #3
This was before the airlines were deregulated by Reagan and his gang of thieves question everything Dec 2014 #4
Carter signed the Airline and Trucking deregulation bill. Reagn fired the Air Traffic Controlers. demosincebirth Dec 2014 #8
Precisely Sherman A1 Dec 2014 #11
It was a terrible Bill. demosincebirth Dec 2014 #20
Actually Deregulation occurred under Carter. SheilaT Dec 2014 #12
While Jimmy Carter has many admirable qualities, hifiguy Dec 2014 #16
Ted Kennedy pushed the deregulatiion bill through Congress. It cost the Teamsters Union close to demosincebirth Dec 2014 #19
Delta used to have GREAT food.. We once had filet mignon SoCalDem Dec 2014 #7
Horrible. cwydro Dec 2014 #5
Without union/NLRB protections... moondust Dec 2014 #6
This ^ world wide wally Dec 2014 #10
yep keep hating on unions at your expense belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #13
When Delta took over Northwest Airlines geardaddy Dec 2014 #14
As a serf you have the right to sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up hifiguy Dec 2014 #15
I'm appalled at how many people feel that businesses should be able to do this. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #17
Crappy Pay Also Brings Dirty Socialist Dec 2014 #18
Cower you slave, kneel down before the great and powerful ronnie raygun. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #21

dencol

(308 posts)
9. Southwest - Walmart of the skies?
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:39 AM
Dec 2014

They have TERRIBLE wages! They offered me about $20,000 less per year to do the same job I was doing at another major carrier.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. Sounds familiar,
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:31 AM
Dec 2014

heard the same story from other people working at MSP. Seems Delta has a reputation of intimidation and subtle threats from their front line Management. Very tense and divisive working environment at the old Wold Chamberlain Airport.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. The really sad thing is that back in the day
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:48 AM
Dec 2014

Delta was probably the very best airline to work for.

I was an airline ticket agent at National Airport from January 1969 to August 1979, and I can tell you we envied the Delta people. They were paid better and treated better than most of the rest of us.

Back then, the president of Northwest was Donald Nyrop, and he was universally hated by the employees of that airline. Whenever he'd check in for a flight, the ticket agent would correctly check his baggage to wherever he was going, but once it got to the ramp agents, they'd see his name on the luggage and simply put it on some random flight somewhere. I was told that the favorite trick was to send it to somewhere in Japan. Eventually he stopped putting his name on his suitcase. There is a legendary story that at some meeting of airline Presidents, Nyrop complained to the president of Delta, that Delta employees got to fly first class. "All my employees are first class employees," the president of Delta famously said. Nyrop also proposed that all airline employees be given a $2,000/year raise but have all travel benefits terminated. Fortunately, not a single other airline was in favor of that.

I can tell you that as an airline employee back then I traveled extensively. I actually traveled so much that fellow employees were astonished at how much I traveled. But I was determined to take full advantage of the pass privileges we had, and I did. I had the very good fortune to be employed in the best possible time: there were lots of flights to lots of places, they were rarely full, and so I traveled. I also had the good fortune to leave at the very beginning of Deregulation, and I'm glad I did.

But back to the point. This man should never have lost his job, and it's a sad indictment of what has happened to a once great airline that he did lose his job.

question everything

(47,440 posts)
4. This was before the airlines were deregulated by Reagan and his gang of thieves
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 01:55 AM
Dec 2014

When airlines cared about passengers. When one could actually get decent meals. When seats were comfortable.

I've never heard of Nyrop but at some point he was succeeded by Anderson. Anderson then left and went to Delta and then conspired with the last Northwest president to get Northwest into bankruptcy, forcing the various unions to concede salaries and benefits and then, when NW went out of bankruptcy, with millions for the presidents, Delta swallowed it.

I hope that this employee can sue them.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. Actually Deregulation occurred under Carter.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:56 AM
Dec 2014

I don't know if it's accurate to say that the airlines ever cared about passengers. Before Deregulation, almost everything was regulated, especially the fares. The way airlines competed was with service. They competed by offering something different, and hopefully better. Keep in mind that U.S. carriers NEVER had the support of the government that the foreign carriers had. And we employees were very aware of this.

I can tell you this. In the late 1970's, when we knew that Deregulation was in our future, we airline employees would say that pretty soon flying would be like taking a Greyhound bus. We were right. Think about what flying is like today. It's even worse than taking a Greyhound bus. As for me, I've avoided flying as much as I can. This past August I flew for the very first time since 2007, and I'll confess that I booked a first class ticket, which turned out to exempt me from dealing with the TSA. Yay! And since I originally started long before any security bullshit, and I have zero respect for the TSA.

I honestly know nothing about Anderson, but I can tell you many stories about Nyrop. He'd take a flight and would invariably fire the flight attendants. He apparently couldn't get away with firing the ground agents in the same way. He was hated in ways that are hard to describe. In 1969 and 1970 I worked alongside the Northwest Airlines ticket counter at DCA, Washington National Airport. I learned first hand how completely hated Donald Nyrop was. I heard more than one story of what happened to his luggage. He'd check in, and the counter agent would check his suitcase correctly. But when the ramp agents saw his baggage -- and there were times, as I understood it, that the counter agents would inform them about the suitcase in question -- it would be sent somewhere else. Without ever touching the original baggage tag. As I heard it more than once from Northwest employees, there was some favored destination in Japan that his suitcase would be sent to. Eventually, Nyrop learned not to have a name tag with his own name on his suitcase.

Back then the ability to non-rev, meaning to fly more or less for free (service charges applied but unless you're a real airline geek the details aren't important) was hugely important. We worked a forty hour week. Fifty weeks a year. We NEVER got an extra day off for a holiday. Never Quite unlike most people. I need to repeat: We worked fifty weeks a year, forty hours a week, and often more. There were times when afternoon shift (which is what I always worked) called up morning shift at about 3 a.m. and asked them if they'd be willing to come in early so that we could finally go home. They always did. I never had extra time off for a holiday. Never. All holidays ever meant was more work. Do you want to hear about the Thanksgiving that I spent at the airport because going home and then coming back the next morning would have taken too much time, and so I ended my shift at about midnight on the day before Thanksgiving the evening flight to Elmira and Ithaca was cancelled, so I had to put up outbound passengers at a hotel, and the next day there would be two morning flights to those cities -- the one from the night before and the one that was regularly scheduled in the morning, and there I was, smiling at the passengers at 7 am on Thanksgiving Day after having smiled goodnight to them the night before at 10 pm.

Or the day,several years later, the Sunday after Thanksgiving, where crosswinds were so severe that National had been closed all day, and we all worked in our coats -- I learned I could type on the computer with my gloves on -- and a TWA flight crashed outside of Dulles because of the crosswinds. It was quite an amazing job, I'm here to tell you.

I learned to hate all holidays, because all they ever meant was extra work. And I never, ever, had an extra day off. Never.

One time I was waiting for a diverted flight, one that should have arrived at DCA but was diverted to Baltimore because of the jet curfew. I waited, and waited, and finally about 3 a.m. gave up and went home, feeling quite guilty that I'd left right before someone had finally shown up. The next day I learned that all the passengers due to arrive at DCA had all found alternate transportation to their final destination, and that no one ever came to the airport.

Or the time I got a phone call asking me to return to the airport because Baltimore was closed because of fog but the plane could land at DCA and could I please meet it and get the passengers take care of? I did. I returned to the airport a couple of hours after my shift ended, wrote up a bunch of taxi vouchers, and sent the passengers on their way. The only good thing here was that I got 4 hours of pay even though I was only there about three hours.

Do you want to hear about the time DCA was closed because of fog so bad that the local busses almost missed the exit -- I know because I rode the local busses at the time and my bus barely made the exit to the airport. Or the time we were shut down because of snow and, oh heck, who cares all these years later.

I can tell you that the rank and file employees of any airline face the brunt of everything, and the airlines themselves need to be held responsible for all of this.

I can tell you that I often say that nothing I have done since then, not even childbirth, has been half as difficult. And I'm not exaggerating, trust me on this.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
16. While Jimmy Carter has many admirable qualities,
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:49 PM
Dec 2014

he was NO FDR Democrat in the WH. He was the first "deregulator". and opened the door to the disasters that followed as a result of that benighted policy. His economic policy as president was nothing to be proud of. I was there and remember it well.

demosincebirth

(12,530 posts)
19. Ted Kennedy pushed the deregulatiion bill through Congress. It cost the Teamsters Union close to
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:23 AM
Dec 2014

200,000 union jobs.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
7. Delta used to have GREAT food.. We once had filet mignon
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 02:14 AM
Dec 2014

with a nice salad & asparagus..IN COACH...(MIA-ORD)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. As a serf you have the right to sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 03:47 PM
Dec 2014

and eat the shit you are given, pig. Regular beatings will continue until morale improves.

Welcome to Feudal America.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
18. Crappy Pay Also Brings
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:36 PM
Dec 2014

Being treated like crap. Not only are American workers being paid less; they are also being disrespected almost everywhere.

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