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okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 04:44 AM Dec 2014

Female lawmakers in Montana told to check skirt lengths, necklines

(Reuters) - A new dress code for the Montana House of Representatives that bans jeans and warns women to watch skirt lengths and necklines has drawn the ire of female lawmakers, who say it suggests they cannot independently decide what attire is appropriate.

The wardrobe code was enacted by male leaders of the Republican-controlled House in advance of a legislative session that begins on Jan. 5. Most members of the chamber's Democratic minority are women, who say they were not consulted about new rules that target them for apparel infractions.

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It prohibits female legislators from wearing items like leggings and open-toed sandals, and cautions them to "be sensitive to skirt lengths and necklines."

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"The code crosses a line. It singles women out for admonishment and suggests they can't be trusted to get up in the morning and dress appropriately," said the Democrat from the state capital, Helena.

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Female lawmakers in Montana told to check skirt lengths, necklines (Original Post) okaawhatever Dec 2014 OP
Sounds like the Taliban to me! Suich Dec 2014 #1
Men have always known best about how women should behave, how they should appear to others and what merrily Dec 2014 #2
Oh, come on! Orrex Dec 2014 #11
A Pair Of Very Good Posts ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #19
My ruffled white under unmentionable thing is floor length, just like that of any decent woman. merrily Dec 2014 #22
Men have basically one choice....a suit! yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #26
A protest seems in order. silverweb Dec 2014 #3
That's a great idea. They should all come to work for a week completely covered from head to toe. Ed Suspicious Dec 2014 #7
I have a suggestion for skirting by the neckline rule. TexasTowelie Dec 2014 #4
I think it's fair to say marions ghost Dec 2014 #5
... Lochloosa Dec 2014 #17
Fuck that. People who have problems with what women wear need to F off. cyberswede Dec 2014 #24
I don't have a problem with what women wear marions ghost Dec 2014 #25
Pardon me for a moment Sherman A1 Dec 2014 #6
Jesus Christ. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #8
Why is it I suspect belief in JC is somehow correlated to the dress code? HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #15
I can see why you would think that. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #16
But I bet they forgot about their own fashion faux pas, Ilsa Dec 2014 #9
They are all adults.... Dorian Gray Dec 2014 #10
Foot fetish? cap Dec 2014 #12
I have a college friend who was in the MT Senate for quite a few years. mnhtnbb Dec 2014 #13
So glad to see Montanans aggressively facing their most serious problems. HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #14
I bet the GOP male lawmakers would eagerly volunteer to spray paint any offenders. tanyev Dec 2014 #18
Are there seriously any women in any legislative body who dresses inappropriately? ladyVet Dec 2014 #20
Frankly, I've been really surprised by what passes for professional women's dress lately TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #21
There's also a dress code for the men jmowreader Dec 2014 #23

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Men have always known best about how women should behave, how they should appear to others and what
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:06 AM
Dec 2014

legal rights they should or should not have.

Cavemen (supposedly). The priests of the OT, the apostle Paul (who never so much as met Jesus except as a ""vision" on the road to Damascus), the Church, government, the Framers, the SCOTUS, state licensing boards. You name it, they all knew better. The only explanation I have is that men were hard-wired to be terrified of women.

Where, oh, where would we poor silly women be without them? Why, the very thought makes me woozy. Anyone seen my smelling salts?

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
11. Oh, come on!
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:34 AM
Dec 2014

If you're going to faint, I certainly hope that you have the basic decency to wear something appropriate and tasteful as you collapse.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
22. My ruffled white under unmentionable thing is floor length, just like that of any decent woman.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:24 AM
Dec 2014

I wouldn't want to force some poor helpless man to become overwhelmed at the sight of my ankle.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
3. A protest seems in order.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:08 AM
Dec 2014

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I'd suggest that all the female legislators band together and wear burqa-like or old-fashioned nun-like garb.

This admission of the males' absolute inability to control their lustful urges in the presence of female attractiveness consistently leads to such regulation anyway.

The women might as well get the jump on it them and take the men's regulatory trend right now to where it's ultimately heading.



Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
7. That's a great idea. They should all come to work for a week completely covered from head to toe.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:04 AM
Dec 2014

It would send a powerful message to sane people even if it might be lost on the Montaliban.

TexasTowelie

(112,128 posts)
4. I have a suggestion for skirting by the neckline rule.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:24 AM
Dec 2014

Let the women go topless so that there is no need to worry about the neckline and it will also promote gender equality.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
5. I think it's fair to say
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:25 AM
Dec 2014

that some women's attire can be distracting to men in a business setting. And that some women make what are obvious "mistakes" (we've all seen them--the neckline that reveals all when she bends over, the tight skirt that keeps riding up etc etc)...

But deal with it --other than issuing edicts and high school level dress codes. I have no patience for this--it's clearly an elbow check to women professionals in the way it's done here. FFS just tell your colleague directly--"Janet, you're showing too much skin (often)and it's bothering some people (often)." If she doesn't take the hint, chalk it up to tramp style and let her have her little reputation.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
24. Fuck that. People who have problems with what women wear need to F off.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 02:09 AM
Dec 2014

Your post is actually offensive.

"Tramp style" - What.the.actual.fuck?!

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
25. I don't have a problem with what women wear
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 06:44 PM
Dec 2014

I'm making a suggestion about how those who DO can deal with it in a direct way instead of these insulting edicts. JUST a suggestion.

There are plenty of cases where women in business roles wear very revealing clothing and it does bother some people. Like the lawyers averting their eyes when the legal assistant is dressed in a dress so thin her black underwear is completely visible in a courtroom. I could name others.

Me I don't give a F. But others do. And I hear their complaints.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
6. Pardon me for a moment
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:28 AM
Dec 2014
I would think that everyone could simply be professional and that would be enough with out turning the state legislature into Junior High School.....

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
9. But I bet they forgot about their own fashion faux pas,
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:27 AM
Dec 2014

Like shirts and ties that don't coordinate and wearing brown shoes and belt with everything. And the damn camo.

Dorian Gray

(13,493 posts)
10. They are all adults....
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:33 AM
Dec 2014

Ugh. I would wear banned clothing BECAUSE of the ban. (When I wouldn't wear most of it -- to work -- prior to ban.)

cap

(7,170 posts)
12. Foot fetish?
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:40 AM
Dec 2014

Opened toed sandals are wrong? Really immodest? Come on?

No leggings in Montana winter? So how are you going to keep warm while wearing a dress?

I really don't see female legislators dressing with low cut necklines or extreme mini skirts. Come on, guys, post the violations so all of us can judge the immodesty. Really.... How about a few pin up pics of palin

mnhtnbb

(31,384 posts)
13. I have a college friend who was in the MT Senate for quite a few years.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:53 AM
Dec 2014

In 2012 she ran for the US House of Representatives and lost to Daines.

Kim Gillan. I'm sure she'd be offended by this. What a bunch of jerks.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
14. So glad to see Montanans aggressively facing their most serious problems.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:08 AM
Dec 2014

Seriously, though as every DUer knows, politicians actually do whats available on the list of what they can 'get away with'; usually legislative agendas work from easiest to hardest.

What made this so easy?

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
20. Are there seriously any women in any legislative body who dresses inappropriately?
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:01 AM
Dec 2014

Do they all wander around dressed in "business casual" as expressed on the Charmed TV show, or any of the other current shows with young women in the cast? Are they flouncing their tits and ass-cracks in public?

No? Then they should tell these men to fuck off.

The code crosses a line. It singles women out for admonishment and suggests they can't be trusted to get up in the morning and dress appropriately," said the Democrat from the state capital, Helena.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
21. Frankly, I've been really surprised by what passes for professional women's dress lately
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 10:14 AM
Dec 2014

And if the men have a code (coats, ties, etc.) I see no reason why the women shouldn't have one, also

But women should have been members of the committee that drew up the dress code!

Ridiculous, sexist mistake not to include them.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
23. There's also a dress code for the men
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 01:45 AM
Dec 2014

It requires "business formal" - suits and four-in-hand ties, which is going to piss off the Montana legislators who feel bolo ties are appropriate professional attire, like their last Democratic governor did.

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