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It seems the Prez is in a tough position on this torture report. Please bear with me as I'm on vacation and am not up to speed with all that is going on. I'm thinking though that the Prez needs this report to talk for itself and he is relying on us - the American People - and our Foreign Allies - and the Media (if they do their job) to generate so much disgust and anger as to how BushCo lied and embarressed this country that he can let that groundswell take over and take out the BushCo war criminals.
This way he can be in a position when he does push forward to say he is doing it because of the will of the American People.
We need to help him now. We need to be so vocal and so disgusted that he and Congress can't ignore prosecuting the war criminals so that such war crimes can never happen again. We need to call the WH, our Senators & Congressmen that we won't tolerate this ever again. If we don't keep the pressure on it will give all of Washington the excuse to just sweep this all under the rug.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)While he may decide to use it that way, he's largely continued the Bush way of waging war, with a few changes.
Bryant
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)And calling the WH, our Senators & Congressmen isn't going to make a damn bit of difference, because Congress KNEW what was going on and elements in both parties supported what was happening.
Do you really think the Democrats and Republicans in Congress are ever going to allow the public to know the names of the Democrats & Republicans that knew and supported the torture?
That's why there will be no trials
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)If speaking up is the right thing to do, then speak up.
That pertains in all situations.
There is too much focus on President Obama, both by those who think he's responsible for every wrong in the world, and those who trust him to do the right thing, without them lifting a finger.
Plus the power lies with the MSM, not with politicians. They create the narrative, but only if we the people let them. Hence the power of speaking up and acting en masse.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)is not squeaky clean and doesn't want to start a precedent.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)he doesn't want his drone program disallowed, and his administration used the same legal brief that justified torture to justify that.
It infuriates me that President Obama said, "we tortured some folks"; some techniques "in my mind, constituted torture", and issued an executive order stopping the practice. The fact is, by any historical definition (i.e. when other people did it) these acts were deemed torture, AND that we have laws and are signatories to international treaties that specifically ban these techniques. In short, these acts are against our laws, and an executive order or executive disapproval is an incredibly lame-ass response to morally-reprehensible WAR CRIMINALS. Our laws, let alone our principles, require prosecution for these crimes.
The United States is a rogue nation on the subject of torture, as has just been publicly proven.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)An adept politician must always be thinking about how to spin a story for political gain, and our president is pretty damned adept.
He once said "make me do it," and I believe his door would always be open if the rest of us made up our minds that torture is not to be tolerated or covered up. He also knows that we are unlikely to demand change.