Veterans, in particular, should be outraged over the Senate Report

[markpkessinger]

In light of the torture report, I should think every veteran would be outraged at the fact that when the abuses at Abu Graib came to light, the Bush administration was permitted to foist total responsibility onto a few low-ranking Army grunts, while administration officials were permitted to deny any culpability whatsoever.

[blm]

1. Completely agree!

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[msanthrope]

2. Completely agree. nt

[maxrandb]

3. You ain't shittin'

That's what some of these numbnuts don't seem to understand. Rules against torture are not only there to protect us from ourselves, they are there to protect us when in the hands of an enemy.

And if I hear one more person say something like; "what we did is nothing compared to what (insert random terrorism group or despotic dictator here), I'm going to fucking scream!"

Holy Fuck; I know the Tea-hadist are ignorant, but when our parents used to ask; "well, if Timmy jumped off a bridge, would you jump too?", they weren't saying that jumping off a bridge was OK as long as you were on the other side of it, or did it for a different reason than Timmy.

Not only does it put our military at increased risk of being tortured, it's against even the most basic sense of human decency.

[Malraiders]

4. Even the people who performed torture should

be angry with those who ordered the process be performed.

The reason is that performing torture on the vulnerable detainees does psychologiucal damage to the psyche of the torturer.

Those ordering torture take the high and mighty attitude that they are OK with someone else performing the indignities from a clean arrogant and safe undisclosed locatioon. Cheney may be OK with performing torture but surely he is an exception.

Sleepless nights, flashbacks, uncontrolled anger and other emotions and even suicide are results of the harm that manifests itself in those who torture.

Cowards are the people who say it had to be done and the psychologists who present a plan on how to do it. And the plan goes forward with no regard for the ones who are told it must be done for the safety of the country and it is a patriotic task for the ones required by their bosses to do torture.

[grasswire]

5. I thought you were going to say...

....that the fact of U.S. torture on "detainees" allows for the torture of any American troop who may be captured, in fact though not in law.

[markpkessinger]

6. There is certainly that as well n/t