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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 04:49 PM Dec 2014

Fire John Brennan

John Brennan’s press conference was extremely offensive. Rather than at least pretending that he felt bad about instituting torture, he instead allowed his self-righteousness to come through in an aggressive manner. This is a man who knows no shame, and who should definitely be incarcerated.

Watching Brennan’s performance, I was reminded of when, as part of my last job, I was part of our mental health clinic’s forensic team, and did pre-sentencing evaluations for the county court. This included making recommendations, based not only for the offense(s) in question, but also on the person’s ability to take responsibility for their actions.

Brennan refused to identify what was done in an accurate way -- torture -- and instead attempted to sanitize it by using “EIT” repeatedly. Rather than take responsibility for his role in this disgusting chapter in American history, he sought to divert the public’s focus by blaming others; more offensively, he attempted to identify himself with the honorable men and women who have sacrificed life and limb to protect our nation.

There is not, as far as I know, any organic defect that prevents Brennan from understanding the distinction between “right” and “wrong.” He displays no outward signs of an abnormality that prevented him from grasping the impact of torture upon another human being. Rather, it is obvious that he knew exactly what this program of torture was all about. In fact, he appeared to resent the fact that he could not claim that torturing people produced valuable intelligence.

It was apparent that John Brennan is convinced that the democrats in the Senate have betrayed him. He is convinced that the legally and ethically flawed “green light” that some in the Bush administration provided for torture excuses him from all responsibility. Even the tone of his voice suggested that he views himself as the true victim of the torture program.

A rational person might ask how a specimen such as John Brennan reached so high a position of power in our system of government? While no one could argue that he lacks in intelligence, his utter lack of a conscience should have disqualified him from consideration of such a position in any healthy society. Indeed, only in a malignant system could John Brennan be viewed as an asset.

I will call and write to the White House, and express my belief that President Obama should fir Brennan today.

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Fire John Brennan (Original Post) H2O Man Dec 2014 OP
That would be a good start.... /nt think Dec 2014 #1
A start. kentuck Dec 2014 #3
He should've been yanked from the podium 10 seconds after he started NightWatcher Dec 2014 #2
For any who may have missed it, here's the YouTube: NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #4
they all have assumed "victim" pose grasswire Dec 2014 #5
That whole organization needs to be rooted sharp_stick Dec 2014 #6
Was he just following orders? Iggo Dec 2014 #7
Firing is not enough. Incarceration is more appropriate for this scum. shraby Dec 2014 #8
Watched much of Brennan's Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #10
The President would probably need a battalion from the 101st to go into CIA HQs... kentuck Dec 2014 #11
Kick &Rec octoberlib Dec 2014 #12
CIA officials pushed back, determined to paint the Senate report as a political stunt by Senate Dem Johonny Dec 2014 #13
Interesting. kentuck Dec 2014 #17
Brennan reached so high a position because Obama appointed him to that position. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #14
And that tells me unpleasant things about Obama. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #15
Yes, President Obama made his choice Agony Dec 2014 #18
Most of Obama's picks have been terrible, imo bigwillq Dec 2014 #34
He probably could have made his life a little less worrisome if... kentuck Dec 2014 #35
Recommend. He's a merchant of death. morningfog Dec 2014 #16
I dissagree. I beleive Mr. Brennan gave a once in a lifetime performance for us rubes. mulsh Dec 2014 #19
Sounds pretty typical of a true guilty party. calimary Dec 2014 #20
Agree, 100%. I will also contact the President. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #21
strip him naked ,throw him in a cage,stand him on his head,then easychoice Dec 2014 #22
i agree 100%. it was a despicable performance. spanone Dec 2014 #23
Very well said malaise Dec 2014 #24
K&R n/t Dalai_1 Dec 2014 #25
Brennan needs to go Joey Liberal Dec 2014 #26
Just send the OP to the White House malthaussen Dec 2014 #27
kick Hekate Dec 2014 #28
Obama chose him why would Obama fire him? Autumn Dec 2014 #29
Yes! And let's dismantle the CIA while we're at it. nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #30
You and who's army? rhett o rick Dec 2014 #36
Maybe we can hire Blackwater? 99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #37
And changed their name twice. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #38
For stating the obvious, I thank you. countryjake Dec 2014 #31
Purge and prosecute. JEB Dec 2014 #32
K&R johnnyreb Dec 2014 #33

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
3. A start.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 04:57 PM
Dec 2014

Yes.

And everyone that was involved in the torture, with knowledge of, should be fired. They sound like those folks that were "just following orders"...

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
6. That whole organization needs to be rooted
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:09 PM
Dec 2014

There are hardly any people there with any seniority that aren't burrowed political appointees.

It will take a lot more than getting rid of Brennan to actually make the changes needed at the CIA. When they were given the goahead to pretty much do whatever they wanted in 2002 they filled the place up with ideological nutjobs and the vast majority of them are still there.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
9. Watched much of Brennan's
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:14 PM
Dec 2014

speel. First was the man's body language and his eye movement,I'am not a psychologist,but,this guy was really trying to convince the audience he is the truth. Non of the follow up questions cut away the talking points or the phony smoke screen that the CIA is trying to portray. Brennan story line was blame Obama,blame Pinetta,and blame the Dems in the Senate cause not one Rethug signed off on this report. White Wash!!!!!!!!

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
11. The President would probably need a battalion from the 101st to go into CIA HQs...
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 05:52 PM
Dec 2014

..and physically remove these people? If they were knowledgeable about this torture, then they are guilty and do not deserve to work for we, the people.

Johonny

(20,833 posts)
13. CIA officials pushed back, determined to paint the Senate report as a political stunt by Senate Dem
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:14 PM
Dec 2014

What president would allow the CIA chief to bash his own senators? Where is the Obama press conference to respond to this slander of the senate and to the American people as a whole. Honestly the lack of response in proportion to the crime is damning by Obama. How can he allow the CIA to play the 9-11 card on the party politics card to defend what is in not only this report but several different reports by different organizations.

Who is looking out for us? Who is pushing back against the torturers if not the president we voted for because he stated it was wrong and we would no longer tolerate it?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. Brennan reached so high a position because Obama appointed him to that position.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:15 PM
Dec 2014

That's the fact. He is there because Obama wanted him there. He was Deputy Assistant Director of the CIA under Bush, but then he left government and returned when Obama asked him to return.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
18. Yes, President Obama made his choice
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:38 PM
Dec 2014

and he will have to live with it.

It is not a choice that builds respect for him from this direction...

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
34. Most of Obama's picks have been terrible, imo
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 12:56 AM
Dec 2014

Like GWB, Obama has surrounded himself with bad people, imo.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
35. He probably could have made his life a little less worrisome if...
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:17 AM
Dec 2014

he had chosen friends instead of enemies to work with?

I agree that many of his picks downright sucked.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
16. Recommend. He's a merchant of death.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:31 PM
Dec 2014

I've been hopin for his firing since he claimed his drone wars kill no civilians.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
19. I dissagree. I beleive Mr. Brennan gave a once in a lifetime performance for us rubes.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:43 PM
Dec 2014

he spoke ad infinitem and said absolutely nothing while maintaining a readily identifiable look of total contempt for the masses. Bravo Mr. Brennan.

I especially enjoyed the part where he took questions from the chattering classes. Mrs. Greenspan's rambling "torture" filled monologue was a high point for me. I wonder how long it took for her people and his people to cook that one up. I certainly see why people think she's a "respected journalist' rather than the dull party hack stenographer I think she actually is. kudos one and all



As I've come to expect H20 MAN your post is well written and spot on. thank you.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
20. Sounds pretty typical of a true guilty party.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 06:54 PM
Dec 2014

They invariably can be counted on to start playing the victim. That's a tell, for sure.

easychoice

(1,043 posts)
22. strip him naked ,throw him in a cage,stand him on his head,then
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:03 PM
Dec 2014

stuff a gallon jug of milkshake mix up his rectum.
After all that ask him if he thinks that is normal behavior or any way to treat another living being for that matter.

Off to supermax with you buddy,take shrubbie and the zombie formerly known as Big Dick with ya.Take rummy and kindasleezy with ya.
All ya'all have forfeited your right to live outside of a cage.

spanone

(135,823 posts)
23. i agree 100%. it was a despicable performance.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:03 PM
Dec 2014

it was defiance. i don't think this matter can go on unsettled. it's not a matter of opinion. it's a matter of law.

malaise

(268,930 posts)
24. Very well said
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:07 PM
Dec 2014

He was shameless and tied himself up in knots of contradictions. Self-righteous best describes it.

There are no conditions under which torture is acceptable.

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
29. Obama chose him why would Obama fire him?
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 07:40 PM
Dec 2014

I won't waste my time writing or calling the White House, that Obama chose to put this man back in power tells me all I need know.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
36. You and who's army?
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:05 PM
Dec 2014

IMO the Security State runs the country. They let the President have some power but not assoc with something as important as national security.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
37. Maybe we can hire Blackwater?
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 04:20 PM
Dec 2014

Oh wait, they moved to the Arab Emirates ... never mind.

I guess we are FUBAR.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
31. For stating the obvious, I thank you.
Thu Dec 11, 2014, 08:10 PM
Dec 2014

I doubt it'll ever happen, tho, since our prez sees Brennan as a trusted advisor, probably one of those precious "patriots" that he chose to hold-over from the previous war mongering crew. Somebody should have bought a clue when he first declined Obama's desire to nominate him years ago, back when he was eventually named the Deputy National Security Advisor.

That he blatantly lied back in March of this year about the CIA hacking of the Senate, attempting to make Sen. Feinstein out to be a fool (along with the rest of the Senate Intelligence Committee), was enough to show me that the man operates "contrary to our values" and cannot be trusted. That he thought water-boarding was an effective intelligence gathering practice while serving under Cheney/Bush in the CIA tells me that the man probably should be serving time in prison.

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