More than bloody head revealed: Zimmerman photo shows police lies

[kpete]

SAT APR 21, 2012 AT 07:09 PM PDT
More than bloody head revealed: Zimmerman photo shows police lies
by willisnewton

Something is not right here.
Either the photo is wrong or else Timothy Smith's report is wrong.
And now here is the real rub: there is no ongoing outside investigation of Sanford PD, or Norm Wolfinger's office.

This photo appeared in an ABC news exclusive. It seems to show a bloody head that belongs to George Zimmerman.



CHECK THIS OUT (& compare the 2):
link to abc exclusive photo of a bloody head
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeandodge/6954519086/in/photostream/
brightened version - luminince only changed

What else does it show? Look closely... the individual pictured seems to be talking on a cell phone, not in handcuffs as far as one can tell. His right arm is visible but his left is not, nor does it seem to be in proximity to it. This guy is not being treated as a suspect.

When was it taken? timestamp from photo (screenshot) Three minutes after the shooting, before a second officer had arrived. Before anyone checked on Trayvon, to see if he was breathing or not.

According to the police report of one Sanford PD officer Timothy Smith, presumably the only live person there with Zimmerman, he should already be in handcuffs. Here is the language of his report:

"I was advised by dispatch that the report of shots fired was possibly coming from 1231 Twin Trees Cir.. I was then advised, after receiving multiple calls, that there was a subject laying in the grass in between the residences of 1231 Twin Trees La. and 2821 Retreat View Cir. I responded to 2821 Retreat View Cir and exited my marked Sanford police vehicle and began to canvas the area. As I walked in between the buildings I observed a white male, wearing a red jacket and blue jeans. I also observed a black male, wearing a gray hooded sweat shirt, laying face down in the grass.

I asked the subject in the red jacket, later identified as George Zimmerman (who was original caller for the suspicious person complaint), if he had seen the subject. Zimmerman stated that he had shot the subject and he was still armed. Zimmerman complied with all of my verbal commands and was secured in handcuffs. Located on the inside of Zimmerman's waist band, 1 removed a black Kel Tek 9mm PF9 semi auto handgun and holster. While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.

Shortly after securing Zimmerman, Officer Ricardo Ayala arrived on scene. I advised Officer Ayala that I had not made contact with the black male subject laying on the ground. I observed Officer Ayala make contact with the subject and attempt to get a response, but was met with negative results. Shortly after this, other officers began to arrive on scene along with SFD Rescue 38 who began to give aid to the subject laying on the ground."

link to pdf of police report
http://www.scribd.com/doc/87828890/Sanford-FL-police-report-on-Trayvon-Martin

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/21/1085377/-More-than-bloody-head-revealed-Zimmerman-photo-shows-police-lies

[MADem]

1. Gee, wouldn't that cell phone record be interesting to have... nt

[Sancho]

19. he probably called his daddy (the judge)...

by the time the cops took him to the station, the prosecutor was already gonna let him go.

[MADem]

22. I do think he has some influence with the local police.

I just can't understand the PD tolerating a "neighborhood watch" pest who calls in reports on suspicious black males forty or fifty times a year--particularly when one of those "shifty characters" was between seven and nine years old. Why would they put up with this guy unless there's something else happening with that PD and either this guy or his family.

It seems obvious to me that he's got issues of prejudice when it comes to race. The police didn't ever call him on it.

Who knows, maybe he was the drug dealer to the cops...? Stranger things have happened!

[Baitball Blogger]

24. Connected into the network.

Not a big surprise.

[mzteris]

2. Here's my thing

He was cleaned up awfully well by the time the video was taken, domcha think? No trace of blood, not even a little discoloration on his head, ears jacket... What did they do hose him off or let him take a shower?

No way in hell the head in that bloody photo is the same as the one shortly after in the video.

[Baitball Blogger]

25. And we'll never know if that was Trayvon's blood.

[cthulu2016]

3. How does the photo contradict Timothy Smith's report?

I'm not getting that from the OP. The photo is not purported to be taken by the police (and I think is purported to be from before they arrived) so why would he be in handcuffs? I'm sincerely missing the point of controversy.

[HooptieWagon]

4. Ok. The cops arrived a minute or two after the shot.

The photo is purportedly by a neighbor. How did the neighbor happen to be on the scene instantly after the shooting? Why isnt bits of grass and dirt stuck to the blood? Why isnt the blood smeared? Why would a neighbors immediate response be to take a picture of Zimmermans head, rather than giving first aid to either of the subjects? Is this neighbor identified and interviewed by police as a witness? Did the police and emts also take photos of Zimmermans head? Why is there absolutely no blood on Zimmerman in the video taken at the police station 30 minutes later, nor are there any bandages? Date a.d time codes can be altered... what is the chain of custody of this "evidence"? Why is it only surfacing now? Hmmm, I think this was likely staged... probably more of Zimmdads handiwork.

[freshwest]

7. Excellent questions. Hope they will be answered.

[dmr]

16. And, if there was a neighbor present, why isn't he mentioned in the above police report?

I also wonder how many times the above report has been rewritten.

[Bjorn Against]

23. Those are the questions that need to be asked

The police report never said anything about a person with Zimmerman when they arrived, so whether this photo is real or fake (my hunch is that it is probably fake) it shows that evidence is being manipulated.

[uponit7771]

37. +1

[csziggy]

8. The gunshot was about 7:16:45-7:16:55; Smith's report said he arrived at 7:17

Smith arrived at 7:17 and Officer Ayalla at 7:19 according to their initial reports.

Ayalla said by the time he arrived Smith had already secured Zimmerman. There was not 3 minutes between the shot and when Smith supposedly secured Zimmerman.

Oh, and check the color of the sleeves, collar and shoulders of the jacket in these videos:

At about 1 minute: http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

At about 30 seconds and at 2 minutes: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/zimmerman-injuries-exclusive-photo-night-trayvon-martin-death-16178849

Now, what's wrong with these pictures?

[TorchTheWitch]

10. could be someone else's arm holding the phone to his ear

If he was already handcuffed he wouldn't be able to lift his arm to hold his cellphone to his ear. Since the sleeve appears to be dark blue in the photo it is likely a police officer holding the phone to his ear. After all, once he's in custody it's not like they can walk away and leave him on his own handcuffed or not. You never know though. We've known from the beginning how outrageously lax they were and not treating the scene or the suspect as any other homicide investigation. Hell, for all we know they let Zimmerman trot off to the 7-11 on his own and grab himself a coffee and bag of chips before the entertainment at the station.

[csziggy]

13. There is a possibility his jacket had sleeves part red/part black

Like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Hardwear-Octans-Fleece-Jacket/dp/B003VUUMHM/ref=sr_1_45?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1335075626&sr=1-45

With his arms twisted behind him, the red could be showing when he was cuffed, but when his arms were free, the black could show.

Still doesn't explain why it looks as though the shoulders are red on the injury shot.

[TorchTheWitch]

33. his jacket doesn't

The black stops near the elbow. You can get a good look at the jacket from all angles on that video of him at the police station.

[csziggy]

38. I searched for red jackets and couldn't find one with the same color combo

Lots of re/black ones with black collars, some with red collars, black shoulders, but not one with lower half of only one side of the sleeves black. I even checked Target, since that's where Zimmerman claimed he was headed, LOL!

Wonder what style that jacket is?

[TorchTheWitch]

41. I'm guessing but I think it's probably a sports store type jacket

Probably with some sports type label. I always seem to see stuff like that in sporting goods stores.

It's a rather nice jacket for a guy.

[HooptieWagon]

31. If Zimmerman already handcuffed,

Why are the police allowing neighbor inside the crime scene perimeter talking and taking photos of subject under investigation?

[TorchTheWitch]

34. did you read my post?

I said it could have been a cop and I also said that we already know what a ridiculous casual mess they made of the "investigation" treating both the suspect and the crime scene like anything but a homicide.

[shimonitanegi]

12. Does that mean this photo was taken by one of Zimmy's friend

less than 2 minutes right after the shooting?
And this friend says "a dazed Zimmerman asked him to call his wife and tell her he’d just shot someone."

[Baitball Blogger]

26. The stupid logo is covering his head.

[JDPriestly]

17. Who would have taken the photo before the police arrived? And why?

[HooptieWagon]

30. Exactly.

[zeemike]

5. The photo looks fake to me

But I an no expert on it...but the blood has trickled down in two directions to the left and the right...can't figure how that would happen....and the source is anonymous.

[Lost-in-FL]

6. You mean blood dripping down in two directions, as if he was on top of someone? nt

And didn't he had both hands on top of his head after he shot Trayvon according to witnesses? Why don't we see 'hand or finger' markings then but this highly unusual pattern?

[TorchTheWitch]

11. gravity and body position

The horizontal blood trail would be caused by him having his head lowered (as in his face parallel to the ground) which tells me that witnesses that saw him on top of Martin were correct and it was this position that caused the horizontal blood trail. The vertical trails would be caused when he stood up and lifted his head up so that gravity then caused the blood to flow vertically down toward his neck.

Because it's a scalp wound and he has hair stubble, the blood would follow the line of least resistance through the stubble after he stood up and lifted his head by following the previous horizontal trail and then dripping downward toward his neck where ever it found a line of least resistance through the hair stubble.

[eridani]

14. There is an almost perfectly straight horizontal line dividing the bloody part of

--the head from the rest of the head which is perfectly clean. I know almost nothing about the forensics of photo analysis, but this looks seriously fake to me.

[Marrah_G]

21. It looks like he had a hat on and had blood splattered on him

[eridani]

28. A hat on half of his head?

The straight line bisects the top of his head. A baseball cap in that position would have the brim covering the top half of his face.

[Baitball Blogger]

27. If they could have recovered the gauze from the ambulance bio hazard trash bin,

maybe they would have figured out that it was Trayvon's blood?

[treestar]

29. The man appears to be bald on top of his head

And in the latest photos, Zimmerman was not entirely bald like that.

[solarman350]

9. Where's the video of this?

Oh, there isn't any? This is a fake photo. If the sanford keystone KKKops have booked it into "evidence," we'll then know they are complicit in the cover-up....though we pretty much know that already even without this faked photo. zimmerman must have been a fan of the tv show, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" or something...Any Hollywood make-up artists out there want to debunk this photo?

Thanks,

SolarMan350

[BetsysGhost]

15. nice carpeting

never been to Florida but the grass there has a pattern similar to carpets I've seen in hotel lobbies.

unless police cruisers down there have forgone black and mats also.

[Fumesucker]

18. Here's the shot enlarged and brightened...

I'm pretty sure it's his arm, there appears to be pavement on the left side of the pic and grass on the right and the arm appears to be Zimmerman's.

[Junkdrawer]

32. Look at the left side blood drips: BLEEDING FROM HIS HAT????

Last edited Sun Apr 22, 2012, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Where else could be the source? Hat's don't bleed, but you can drop stage blood from a dropper on a hat and then remove it.

See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002594313

[CommonSenseForChange]

42. Actually, it looks like Trayvon Martin's hoody on the ground

Except, without Trayvon Martin in it, maybe. It appears to be dark gray as Zimmerman is making a telephone call to somebody.

Some people have speculated that Zimmerman pulled Trayvon's jacket off when Zimmerman approached aggressively which could explain why Dee-Dee's account heard Trayvon Martin's phone/earphones drop. Whoever took the photo could have done it from a balcony nearby.

This photo could also be why at the bond hearing, Zimmerman's calls after the shooting were brought up.

Also noted that the neckline in the photo has red underneath the neckline, but the sanford PD video shows black fabric starting at the neckline.

[markpkessinger]

20. Those are very superficial wounds in any case (even if they are real)

Scalp wounds can tend to bleed a lot on a very superficial wound.

[Lex]

39. like a fingernail scratch

is what it looks like to me

[TroglodyteScholar]

35. That's someone else's arm.

Not George's. Look at the pictures from the station--his sleeves are red. This picture shows a blue sleeve.

[vaberella]

36. Naw dude...did you see this picture?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002594903#post18

Looks like his arm to me...unless the picture is not him period.

[CommonSenseForChange]

43. It cannot be his arm on either picture because the end portion of his sleeves are red

Not blue, not black, not dark gray.