Why did Dems fragment last night?

[Proud Public Servant]

"The White House was on the floor, cutting deals."

That's not paranoid fear.
That's not unfounded speculation.
That's straight from the mouth of a Congressman who was there. No link; was told to me personally.

Isn't it great to have a Democrat in the White House?

[MannyGoldstein]

1. That didn't happen.

These are not the droids you are looking for.

[polichick]

2. Yep, Barack Obama and Jamie Dimon working together...

That's where we are - and it's an ugly place.

[sabbat hunter]

3. we needed to get this budget done now

otherwise we would either face a short term fix with a new deal to be negotiated in january when GOPers hold both houses and want to be aggressive with their budget proposals, or face a government shut down.

Neither of the above is appealing to me.

[NYC_SKP]

5. Thank you for providing the correct answer.

Shame that others can't use their logic machines to figure these things out.

The time to pass a more progressive budget was last month at the polls.

[HappyMe]

6. Everyone seems to be conveniently forgetting

about last month. If we had kept seats or even gained a couple, we would have had some wiggle room re the budget. As gross as the big donor and bank parts are, I think we would have gotten something more hideous in January.

[Proud Public Servant]

7. Remind me; what happened to

the President's veto power? Or the Senate filibuster, for that matter?

All this pearl-clutching about how terrible January would be presumes that we have either no ability to fight back, or no willingness to. What that says about your opinion of the president is fascinating.

[HappyMe]

8. The fact of the matter is, is I don't think

everyone has the will or ability to fight back. I wouldn't have to clutch any pearls if people had got off their asses to vote. If people didn't give enough of a crap to do that, what makes you think they are all about fighting back. I'm sure the republicans will keep sending the president garbage to sign, and he will veto. Rinse and repeat.

The thinking here is black/white. Either Obama is a sell out and a huge disappointment, or he is a can do no wrong saint. I fall into the grey area.

[AndyTiedye]

10. Fight Back How?

A shutdown plays into the hands of the teabaggers. A government that is reduced to only police and the military has always been their goal.
They get what they have always wanted, and the Democrats get the blame for all the suffering that it would cause.

We have no good options.

[Proud Public Servant]

11. Right. Just like whenever the GOP is in the minority

We just get to roll right over them and do whatever we want while they wring their hands and bemoan their lack of options.

Say what you will about the GOP, at least they know how to fight. But I guess we can call it even, since we completely dominate the "bending over and taking it" skill set.

[AndyTiedye]

12. The Tee Vee Tells them it's all the Fault of the Democrats

So the Rapeuglicans can shut down the government and suffer no consequences,
but the Democrats would get crucified for it.

[aspirant]

13. Crucified by whom?

The right-wing TV nuts. They're not the majority, 36% turnout in midterms. How many dems would be cheering for the party when they finally find their backbones and stand up for our principles.

[steve2470]

14. +1 nt

[SamKnause]

4. President Obama

and Jamie Dimon made phone calls.

The polling for the votes changed drastically after that.

SHUT IT DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!

Call your Senators.

I did.