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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:14 AM Dec 2014

We Just Witnessed the Most Important Day in Politics All Year

We Just Witnessed the Most Important Day in Politics All Year
12/12/14

...But the narrow passage Thursday night of a big spending bill in the House of Representatives brought everything to the surface, even though the risk of a government shutdown was near zero.

Here are six things we learned from the raucous debate over the omnibus.

Elizabeth Warren is a bigger powerhouse than we thought.

That the omnibus was in any danger of failing at all was almost entirely attributable to Warren’s influence. Her mastery of the media is well understood, but she also demonstrated an ability to sway House members that no other Democratic senator has evinced....


Democrats are substantively divided.

Once Obama laid down his cards, Warren’s strategy became untenable. With the White House on board for the omnibus, Warren and her allies were essentially hoping to blow up a done deal, and would have been blamed for an ensuing shutdown. But that didn’t mean Democrats abandoned their objections to the bill itself. They overwhelmingly voted against final passage. We learned that there is a large contingent of House Democrats willing to go to battle against Republicans and the White House if they cut bad deals.
Republicans mostly agree on one thing....

Obama’s priorities are clearer.

...If Republicans had tried to tack something genuinely modest, like a repeal of the Affordable Care Act’s medical device tax, on to the omnibus, Obama would probably have threatened to veto it. He is not nearly as wedded to comparably marginal provisions of his Wall Street reform bill.

Democrats will thus have a hard time playing populist.

....But close isn’t really good enough. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have paid lip service to the idea that Democrats will use their perches in the minority to expose GOP coziness with Wall Street and prevent them from handing big financial institutions goodies like this. But they can’t succeed unless they know Obama has their back. Instead, he’s shown a willingness to deal on financial regulation that he hasn’t shown on issues like health care, deportation policy, and clean air rules. ...

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120545/elizabeth-warren-vs-barack-obama-cromnibus-vote-exposes-faultlines
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We Just Witnessed the Most Important Day in Politics All Year (Original Post) RiverLover Dec 2014 OP
Change is in the air. At last. randome Dec 2014 #1
No kidding! RiverLover Dec 2014 #2
Awesome interview. SamKnause Dec 2014 #5
I am -so- right there with you!!! RiverLover Dec 2014 #9
seems we've been saying that for about 7 years marym625 Dec 2014 #8
I always like to say I'm never a pessimist or an optimist. randome Dec 2014 #14
I hope you are right marym625 Dec 2014 #16
He nominated Larry Summers for the fed marym625 Dec 2014 #3
Exactly.. sendero Dec 2014 #6
even before that marym625 Dec 2014 #7
A HUGE PORTION OF THE BANK DEPOSITS OF AMERICANS BEING PUT AT RISK magical thyme Dec 2014 #13
Well within reason.. sendero Dec 2014 #15
I don't know the details, but where roody Dec 2014 #18
Bank.. sendero Dec 2014 #21
Kick for reading later.. PearliePoo2 Dec 2014 #4
"Democrats are substantively divided" -- That's been pretty apparent here on DU for a while corkhead Dec 2014 #10
We're reflecting the "real world" for sure. RiverLover Dec 2014 #11
Divided between... sendero Dec 2014 #12
That is what it boils down to, sendero. And the banksters are winning. RiverLover Dec 2014 #17
Don't forget the Military Industrial Complex...rewarded in the Cromnibus... KoKo Dec 2014 #20
Can someone explain to me how my savings are at risk? I don't understand the NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #19
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. Change is in the air. At last.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:19 AM
Dec 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
5. Awesome interview.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:02 AM
Dec 2014

I wish everyone would watch it.

I don't know how anyone could vote for Hillary after watching this interview.

If I had the power or the money I would see to it that this video was delivered to every citizen of the U.S. !!!!!!!!!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
8. seems we've been saying that for about 7 years
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:11 AM
Dec 2014

I don't believe either Senators Warren or Sanders would give in to the banking industry, which is exactly why they will never be elected President

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. I always like to say I'm never a pessimist or an optimist.
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:50 AM
Dec 2014

I want to see things for how they truly are. I see -and hear- a change in the air. I think the 2016 election will be different. I think we are finally breaking out of the ice age started 35 years ago when Reagan and his low-IQ cohorts took over.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

marym625

(17,997 posts)
16. I hope you are right
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 10:00 AM
Dec 2014

But I think it will become much worse before it gets better. I think it will be decades before all the wrong can be corrected.

Doesn't mean I won't stop fighting. At least not yet. But there's very little left to take before I do move to another country. The sanctimonious nod to excuse torture and the systematic government sanctioned murder of young black men, and children, is unforgivable.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
3. He nominated Larry Summers for the fed
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 08:52 AM
Dec 2014

Says everything we need to know about how in bed President Obama is with the banking industry

Elizabeth Warren is one of only a few that give me hope

sendero

(28,552 posts)
6. Exactly..
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:04 AM
Dec 2014

.... Obama showed his hand within weeks of taking the presidency. Those here who pointed it out were roundly criticized. His administration has played out just as it seemed it would, well actually worse.

Listening to him blather about "compromise" yesterday just about made me sick. This isn't a couple billion for a road project, this is A HUGE PORTION OF THE BANK DEPOSITS OF AMERICANS BEING PUT AT RISK for the SOLE REASON of providing a potential profit to banks that should have been dismantled 5 years ago.

It's really beyond belief.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. even before that
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:09 AM
Dec 2014

When he stopped the campaign to help facilitate the bank bailout. He was bought and paid for before the election in 2008.

I know there are a couple things he's done that are good. But the majority, including giving up the single payer option, are not.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
13. A HUGE PORTION OF THE BANK DEPOSITS OF AMERICANS BEING PUT AT RISK
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:46 AM
Dec 2014

Reading that, I just realized why I had made the decision to just spend my money rather than save it.

I am a saver. It's in my dna. From as early as I can remember, I saved my pennies, my nickels. Always saving for something big, and then when I had the money saved had a hard time letting it go.

The ruin of the recent years have turned me into a spender, not that I have much to spend. But as soon as I can, I spend my small amounts of money usually on ways to reduce my cost of living. Last year it was "interior storm windows." This year it will be re-insulating a part of the attic where the insulation has fallen apart.

My savings these days consists of months worth of dog food set aside, as I feed off a "backlog." Months of people food dried or frozen, as I mostly feed off a backlog.
Years worth of socks and underwear, sweaters, sweats, as I live off a backlog.

And so on. Extra tools, so when the one's I'm using break, I already own their replacement.

Let them bail out the banks with that.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
15. Well within reason..
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 09:56 AM
Dec 2014

.... that is a good thing. Since you are spending on things that will reduce your energy needs, that is really an investment. Tools also.

However, we all should have something around for a rainy day.

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