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marmar

(77,072 posts)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:45 PM Dec 2014

Policing is a Dirty Job, But Nobody's Gotta Do It: 6 Ideas for a Cop-Free World


from Rolling Stone:



By José Martín | December 16, 2014


After months of escalating protests and grassroots organizing in response to the police killings of Michael Brown and Eric Garner, police reformers have issued many demands. The moderates in this debate typically qualify their rhetoric with "We all know we need police, but..." It's a familiar refrain to those of us who've spent years in the streets and the barrios organizing around police violence, only to be confronted by officers who snarl, "But who'll help you if you get robbed?" We can put a man on the moon, but we're still lacking creativity down here on Earth.

But police are not a permanent fixture in society. While law enforcers have existed in one form or another for centuries, the modern police have their roots in the relatively recent rise of modern property relations 200 years ago, and the "disorderly conduct" of the urban poor. Like every structure we've known all our lives, it seems that the policing paradigm is inescapable and everlasting, and the only thing keeping us from the precipice of a dystopic Wild West scenario. It's not. Rather than be scared of our impending Road Warrior future, check out just a few of the practicable, real-world alternatives to the modern system known as policing:

Unarmed mediation and intervention teams


Unarmed but trained people, often formerly violent offenders themselves, patrolling their neighborhoods to curb violence right where it starts. This is real and it exists in cities from Detroit to Los Angeles. Stop believing that police are heroes because they are the only ones willing to get in the way of knives or guns – so are the members of groups like Cure Violence, who were the subject of the 2012 documentary The Interrupters. There are also feminist models that specifically organize patrols of local women, who reduce everything from cat-calling and partner violence to gang murders in places like Brooklyn. While police forces have benefited from military-grade weapons and equipment, some of the most violent neighborhoods have found success through peace rather than war.

The decriminalization of almost every crime


What is considered criminal is something too often debated only in critical criminology seminars, and too rarely in the mainstream. Violent offenses count for a fraction of the 11 to 14 million arrests every year, and yet there is no real conversation about what constitutes a crime and what permits society to put a person in chains and a cage. Decriminalization doesn't work on its own: The cannabis trade that used to employ poor Blacks, Latinos, indigenous and poor whites in its distribution is now starting to be monopolized by already-rich landowners. That means that wide-scale decriminalization will need to come with economic programs and community projects. To quote investigative journalist Christian Parenti's remarks on criminal justice reform in his book Lockdown America, what we really need most of all is "less."
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Policing is a Dirty Job, But Nobody's Gotta Do It: 6 Ideas for a Cop-Free World (Original Post) marmar Dec 2014 OP
Yeah, cause the guy walking around a mall picking people off with an AR-15 name not needed Dec 2014 #1
Yeah, your up-armored police forces and SWAT teams proved they could KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #8
On second thought, you're right. name not needed Dec 2014 #10
Well, the police who were there seemed more interested in protecting their KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #11
No, just the other 99.99999999% of police interactions. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #13
Holy cow.... pipoman Dec 2014 #2
Re: "Convicts patrolling neighborhoods curbing violence" 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #6
Cop with a spiderweb tattoo...not what you want to see in your community. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #14
In the old days you'd never see that... Historic NY Dec 2014 #17
It's not tattoos in general that's worrying - it's that spiderweb on the elbow. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author pipoman Dec 2014 #15
Well....no...."convict" has a very specific definition pipoman Dec 2014 #16
You don't become a convict... 99Forever Dec 2014 #25
Words have meanings....I'm sure you can noodle up a more accurate talking point... pipoman Dec 2014 #26
I'll take that as the non-response it is. 99Forever Dec 2014 #27
Who let the loonybin loose with that.... Historic NY Dec 2014 #3
Oh good lord. Codeine Dec 2014 #4
BwhahahahahahaAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA....{inhale}.. WHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA... *wipes eyes. n/t X_Digger Dec 2014 #5
I saw these peacekeepers and clergy people in action during the early stages of #Ferguson 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #7
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #9
It's funny that pro gunners are the most pro police on this thread BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #12
we are over policed and we are over legislated regarding 'crime'. du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2014 #18
It sounds eerily like Vendetta Law of the early Normans. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #19
We are a severely overcriminalized society. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #20
we need law-abiding non-racist policing, not NO policing..... steve2470 Dec 2014 #21
Oh hell no! HappyMe Dec 2014 #22
Forget the prospect of every post-apocalyptic movie ever seen daredtowork Dec 2014 #23

name not needed

(11,660 posts)
1. Yeah, cause the guy walking around a mall picking people off with an AR-15
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:53 PM
Dec 2014

is gonna listen to the unarmed feminist mediation team.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
8. Yeah, your up-armored police forces and SWAT teams proved they could
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:57 AM
Dec 2014

do a bang-up (npi) job at Columbine.

name not needed

(11,660 posts)
10. On second thought, you're right.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:07 AM
Dec 2014

If only the overeducated barista squad was there to scream at Harris and Klebold to check their privilege until they turned the guns on themselves.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
11. Well, the police who were there seemed more interested in protecting their
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:13 AM
Dec 2014

own asses than the lives of the students. Klebold and Harris killed themselves at their leisure, under no pressure at the time from any constabulary forces.

So tell me how the police at Columbine did one whit better than the groups you so mockingly disparage. Answer: you can't because the police at Columbine were a bunch of f*cking chickensh*ts. Everybody knows it, even if no one will dare say it.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
13. No, just the other 99.99999999% of police interactions.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:10 AM
Dec 2014

But let's keep designing our entire nationwide police culture around those 0.000....1% of incidents.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
2. Holy cow....
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:30 PM
Dec 2014

Convicts patrolling neighborhoods "curbing violence"...ffs...unbelievable...what could possibly go wrong?

I have been in over 10 prisons interviewing inmates....sorry, we do need police and prisons. I've sat through docket calls in criminal court...no reasonable person could decide that more than maybe 5% of non petty drug crimes charged shouldn't be on the books.

most crimes with prison time are either violent crimes, victim crimes or crimes against society. Certainly some drug laws need to be revisited and laws repealed...

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
17. In the old days you'd never see that...
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:20 PM
Dec 2014

maybe a small navy or military tattoo. Makes them look like gang bangers. They complain its their right, well then the boss's should make them wear long sleeve shirts.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
24. It's not tattoos in general that's worrying - it's that spiderweb on the elbow.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:29 AM
Dec 2014

That's prison ink.

And that's the least problematic meaning. (It's also used by a number of white supremacist gangs)

Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #6)

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
25. You don't become a convict...
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:35 AM
Dec 2014

... when your fellow badge holders cover up your crimes for you, do you?

Apparently some people ARE above the law.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
3. Who let the loonybin loose with that....
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:40 PM
Dec 2014

this country has had police since its founding in some shape or form. Even the Continental Army had to have police to control the army and the populous in the army vicinity.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
7. I saw these peacekeepers and clergy people in action during the early stages of #Ferguson
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:47 AM
Dec 2014
Unarmed but trained people, often formerly violent offenders themselves, patrolling their neighborhoods to curb violence right where it starts.


They pushed and shoved protesters, they were screaming in protesters faces with bullhorns and one actually grabbed a woman and kissed her as she was trying to push away. It was shameful and they had ZERO respect for people's first amendment rights or personal space.

I don't want some power tripping neighborhood loser/thug pushing me around just like I don't want some police thug pushing me around.

Get the hell out of my face and let me be.

Response to marmar (Original post)

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
12. It's funny that pro gunners are the most pro police on this thread
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:10 AM
Dec 2014

Maybe we should stop listening to terrified authoritarians. They're so frightened of their own shadow, they want to make us all the same way. Because for them, there is NO other choice quite obviously. Because every first world country has figured it out, but somehow we can't. USA!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. It sounds eerily like Vendetta Law of the early Normans.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:30 PM
Dec 2014

It sounds eerily like Vendetta Law of the early Normans.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
20. We are a severely overcriminalized society.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:36 PM
Dec 2014

There's a reason America is the world's leading jailer, and it ain't because we're so much worse than everybody else.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
22. Oh hell no!
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:48 PM
Dec 2014

We need a good housecleaning in the pd's. I don't think any of that is workable.

Community patrols? Isn't that what Zimmerman thought he was?

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
23. Forget the prospect of every post-apocalyptic movie ever seen
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:54 PM
Dec 2014

Last night, at the Oakland "Solutions" Town Hall, the San Francisco interlopers who cut in front of me, claiming to be the "black youth" (I stepped back because I believed them to be from Oakland) were delivering propaganda for this "No Police Necessary!" message!

Perhaps some police were necessary to check IDs to keep people like them out of building, because their actions prevented members of the community from being able to speak to their political representatives - a very rare chance, since these particular political representatives have been utterly non-responsive to their constituents in the past!!!

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