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Bay Area protests over the deaths of Eric Garner, Michael Brown and scores of others may assuage white liberal guilt and provide a righteous reason to rail against the machine, but it would be nice to actually hear from some black folks.
So far, it seems all Ive seen and heard in three weeks of protest are some pretty vocal white folks screaming to have their way, or dismissing the actions of the wolves inside the flock as the ugly backside of democracy.
Assault, vandalism and looting are not protected forms of free speech.
In Oakland, black religious leaders who have traditionally stood front and center in every successful civil rights movement were not part of the revolution this time.
Their conspicuous absence has led to marches that, quite frankly, appear to be more about white rage than black empowerment. Its more about what they want than it is about what African American communities truly need.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/johnson/article/White-screaming-drowns-out-black-voices-at-5958642.php
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Whites march, they're not genuine.
Chip Johnson's opinion is irrelevant.
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Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)From the article
I like the mantra, but if were going to do it, lets do it right.
Likely one of the reasons we don't see much of this movement out of black centers like Atlanta, Chicago or Oakland.
22 shot in one weekend were not shot by the popo.
I remember with astonishment when this phenomena arose in the late 80's. People would kill each other to steal "Triple Fat Goose" Jackets and "Air Jordans". Life was valued like a cheap jacket or some imported shoes.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)have been. You are wrong about that.
And diverting from the issue of POLICE, who are supposed to PROTECT people including Blacks, killing unarmed Black citizens, including children, by talking about 'black on black' crime, which is entirely DIFFERENT.
There is lots of 'white on white' crime also, but not so much Police on White crime.
Not to mention that this ridiculous comparison of crimes committed by CRIMINALS as opposed to the Civilian Police murdering citizens, is a right wing attempt to diminish the issue. You might want to avoid that. It belongs on Fox and Rush.
Anyone who gives this issue even a minimum amount of attention would not even think to compare criminal behavior among the populace to the Police killing unarmed citizens at such an incredible rate.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)In relation to the percentage of the black population of those cites it's been pretty small.
I don't think any of those cities have made national news for a large turnout in the streets.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of protests.
Oakland Protesters Shut Down Oakland Police Dept
To get news on these protests you have to follow them on Social Media which is where most people get their news these days.
The Corporate Media didn't cover the Anti War Protests, they stopped covering the OWS protests. And while they did some coverage of Ferguson for a while, they did not cover the national protests and probably won't.
Local news media may cover them.
Atlanta protesters have been outside the PD there and Chicago has had plenty of people out in the streets and also many other cities.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)There are over 100K black residents of oakland. The OPD protest is not symbolic of a mass movement in that city.
There was a much larger mobilization over the killing of Oscar Grant.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)The fact is these protests are not going to stop this time. And they are happening all over the country. They are not going to be huge EVERY DAY, but they there have been and will be more large protests organized on specific days.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and a congregation full of bigots. That sort of thing is definitive. His views of those unlike himself are bigoted and he exploits those views for personal gain, regularly, frequently and in very ugly terms. He was a huge supporter of Prop 8.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I can understand the bishop's concerns.
However, he should be careful about dismissing the young people who see this as their civil rights moment. It may pale in comparison in some minds, to memories and movements of the past, but to them it's very real and new.
The enthusiasm for the cause, should be embraced by all.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and that is somehow a bad thing? Would it be better if whites just didn't show up?
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Fact is, there is distrust. We still have a long way to go to rebuild that.
Being divisive or upset over that, will not help.
Not aiming that at you, Nye, or the author of the piece. Just a general observation.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)that some of them mistrust the motives instead of realizing they're not alone, that a lot of decent white folks out there realize there is a problem and it shouldn't be marginalized as applying only to African Americans. That's not the case and most young people know it.
After all, instead of watching trash TV in their snuggies in bed, they're out on cold nights and raising the volume against injustice.
I'm just not surprised that some corporate news photographers are focusing on groups of white kids instead of how mixed the crowds most places really are.
Remember the words of Martin Niemoller, they're as true now as they were decades ago when he spoke them:
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Those white faces in the crowd? They're speaking out.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)It's sad, you're right. It's sad that there is mistrust. But there is. There is not denying that.
One of the worst things you can do to someone, is deny them their feelings.
Obviously most people recognize this. Most young people as well.
People who are actually in tune though, are in the minority.
And yes, I hate how the media spins it as well.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)The powers that be want to make this all about race so when a black person gets killed, many whites will sit and look the other way and when a white person gets killed many blacks will sit and look the other way. The last thing they want is whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, native americans and all people for that matter joining together and speaking with a loud voice against psycho cops murdering people with impunity.
The race based divide and conquer strategy is a win/win for those in power and control, all the while the police blows up some baby in its crib, stop a man with asthma from getting to the hospital and watch him die, summarily execute an accused murderer who had his hands up in surrender, shoot a handcuffed man, execute an 80 year old man in his bed just because they smelled drugs, shoot an unarmed shoplifter who was running away and so on.
Establishment Puppet #1: "Black Lives Matter!"
Gullible Person #1: "Yeah! They're right! Its all about Michael Brown and Eric Garner. White people suck!"
Establishment Puppet #2: "Wheres Obama, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson when whites get killed?"
Gullible Person #2: "Yeah! Their rite! Its all about Kelly Thomas and Dillon Taylor. Pants up don't loot!"
Establishment Puppet Masters: "HAHAHA! YES! YES! YES! LOOK AT THESE FOOLS BUYING INTO IT! AH HAHAHA! FIGHT! FIIIIGHT!!!"
Slime like Chip Johnson serve his masters well
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I'm not familiar with Johnson, but looking at this article, I'll take your word for it that he is 'slime' working to protect the cops.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)Frankly, anyone with the attitude of the person who authored this piece does far more damage to the movement than the palest person in that crowd.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Damnit, if I don't get some damn recognition, well, then I'm not doing it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)this into a fight between allies. Who are these 'journalists'? I haven't seen any objection in all the protests across the country where the crowds have been made up of all kinds of people, to ANYONE coming out to support them.
This focus on Berkeley is very suspect. And I'm seeing right wing memes even here, including the absolutely right wing claim that they 'ought to worry about Black on Black crime' in an attempt to denigrate the protesters.
I don't know that pastor. But I do know that Fox and Limbaugh et al have been using the mantra for years whenever there is Police murder of an unarmed African American citizen.
The article in this OP I'm sure will be all over right wing sites along with the 'they ought to worry about Black on Black crime'.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)Not surprised, at all, by this attempt to divide.
I should have known that's what it was.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)always associated Berkeley with Liberals.
They get to mock 'liberals' AND try to drive a wedge between the movement itself and those allies who support them. It is designed to make people angry at Black Americans, who they are painting as 'ungrateful' so that white allies will say 'well, if that's the way they feel'.
So they get to kill two birds with one stone. They undermine Berkeley Liberals and USE them to make people who otherwise would support the movement, withdraw.
I doubt it will work, but these propagandists are clever. They succeed simply by repeating and repeating the same thing over and over again. Unless it becomes clear, 'no one is buying it'.
Note the denigrating comments in THIS thread, painting the Berkeley protesters as 'Kardashian type phonies'??
Where did that come from, and on DU of all places?
Good for those protesters and I hope they keep it up.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I am sure he thinks he has a point in their somewhere. But, here is the thing when black people march and protest they are not protesting just for their rights they are there for everyone (even if that is not the intent). When white people protest and march for civil rights they are not just protesting and marching for white people.
The police being out of control is a problem for everyone. It is a bigger problem for minorities especially young black males, it's a problem for poor people, for people who are mentally ill, and for anyone who speaks out against TPTB.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)meme. He probably is genuinely worried about crime in general, everyone is.
But he is conflating an out of control Police Force whose DUTY it is to protect ALL citizens, but instead is abusing and killing Black Americans at an alarming AND getting way with, with criminals who no one expects OR pays, for protection.
There is simply no comparison to be made between criminals and those charges with protecting the people.
When the police act like those criminals, and become as much of a threat to the community as those criminals, then something needs to be done about it.
Only Faux viewers are buying into this. The rest of the intelligent world understands why people are protesting.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I saw an article there with this "white takeover" claim made along with the suggestion that it's the same thing as white people trying to seem cool by taking over black slang words.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So feel free to stand by him shouting about his wisdom, insight and discernment.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)and was not aware of any bigoted tendencies he harbors. So, thanks for that.
LuvLoogie
(6,992 posts)the clergy in Oakland, even the Pentecostals of the Church of God in Christ. The protests are global and are not looking to any clergy for direction or a voice. Any time the clergy in the Bay Area want to jump in, they can have at it. There was only one MLK Jr.
Leaders lead. They don't say, "Hey wait up! We'll show you how it's done right in January."
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)This type of article has been gathering steam as a way to divide, delegitimize, and thus kill the protests in the Bay Area - particularly in Berkeley. I wouldn't be surprised if some people are being paid to astroturf this a as a meme.
When I attended the Black Lives Matter Million March in Oakland on Saturday, I did not see black people hesitating to take the megaphone or hesitating to tell white people to back off. There was absolutely no "white takeover" problem. There is only the illusion of a white takeover problem perpetuated by a media that wants to kill the protests on behalf of the gated-community middle class, who want to keep their property secure and who want to make sure the minimum wage workers keep showing up for their jobs instead of making trouble.
There is another story to why there is a dearth of black leadership - and even black involvement in protests in Berkeley and Oakland. One part has to do with the rapid gentrification of the area and how this has exposed the unequal poverty of blacks by pushing them out. There are fewer black people there to conduct a protest.
The second problem is the ones left are INTIMIDATED! The police intimidate them! They are afraid they will be TARGETED for arrest during a protest or identified to be picked on later. They are "street smart" that way. The ones on welfare have been told they are under perpetual "fraud investigation". They are always being surveilled. If they have something shady going on to survive, they don't want to call undue attention to themselves by protesting. Lastly, they might not have the time/bandwidth. It is a lot of WORK being poor, and public transportation is not subsidized for people on welfare in the East Bay. They may not even be able to get to the protest!
The protesting is mostly being organized by social media, so most of the people you will see are the ones with smart phones who can continually check for the latest updates, and who are savvy about alternative apps to avoid surveillance by the police/State. If this qualification mostly belongs to students, UC Berkeley is only 2% black.
The white people participating in this protest are mostly people of good will, deeply troubled about inequities in the economic and class system, and how that transects with race, policing, and political representation. They are there to support black leadership.
The ones who want to take the megaphone and make it all about themselves somehow are as rare as true egomaniacs in society. But they are fringe types, just like the masked anarchists that vandalize stuff are fringe types. And, again, as far as I can tell, the black leadership in Oakland has absolutely no problem telling people who shouldn't be at the megaphone to back away.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)below, Breitbart, and I know Fox, Limbaugh et al are desperately trying to stop the protests. This IS an attempt to divide and conquer.
I too have seen no division among the people all over the country, in every protest. So who came up with this, it's easy to guess.
Those 'damn lieberals' trying to get attention'. It's as old as the far right, this tactic.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)I went to this article: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Dozens-complain-about-police-at-Berkeley-council-5961763.php
Then I searched UCB's racial makeup: http://diversity.berkeley.edu/undergraduate-students-current-census
In 2012, 3% of current undergraduate students are African American, 39% are Asian, 13% are Chicano/Latino, 1% are Native American/Alaskan Native, less than 1% are Pacific Islander, 29% are White, and 5% are Other/Decline to State. Women outnumber men in most race/ethnic groups, with the largest gender gap occurring in Chicano/Latino current undergraduate students. (How to understand the dashboard)
Of COURSE a UC Berkeley protest isn't going to include a ton of minorities.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)UC Berkeley 2% black, and the city of Berkeley itself has been depleted of black population from 30% to 10% in recent years (they didn't specify how many years, but I think it's been within the last 25 because I've witnessed it). I tried to say something about this at the Council Meeting because I believe the economic policies - particularly the housing policies -of the Mayor - have unequally affected the black population: and it also seems to indicate the black population was poorer and was driven out.
And now that they are gone, Berkeley isn't a "white utopia". We still have the same amount of poor people - they are just white. So of course Berkeley's civil unrest is going to look more white. And of course more white people are going to have unpleasant contacts with authoritarian police: because in lieu of social services and help with poverty, this society sends police to the door to deal with unruly people, to evict people, to intervene when people are trying to escape via suicide, to stop people from creating a ruckus about their conditions, to discourage people from taking drugs and drinking alcohol. Berkeley can be 99% white, and those will be white problems now. Deporting the black population did not work for Mayor Tom Bates.
I do not support overthrowing the mayor, but I sure as hell support him resigning. In shame. ASAP.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)If the message is just, it doesn't matter who speaks it.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)it's cause I'm full of white guilt.
hint: I'm not. I'm protesting because the situation and the institutional issues are wrong and need to be changed. I don't do it out of guilt.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people against each other. It's a far right tactic. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)None of the white people I protested with tried to take the lead or make speeches. We were all there in support of the AA protestors and the horrible treatment of them by LEO.
I can't say that I understand because I am not black. But I can stand by and say that I think it's bullshit, and needs to stop.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)They are probably less likely to end up at the wrong end of a gun, a dog, a billy club, taser, gun, pepper spray, gun . . .
I'll take whatever help we can get it in the safest manner possible!
bigtree
(85,986 posts)It's a sad irony that stereotyping and exclusionary rhetoric is being used here in this article to idealize a civil rights protest. This writer (and those quoted in support of his premise) has no way of discerning what motivated these individuals to protest along their black peers, but it's a wonder that there's the expectation from him that the motivations of the black participants will be unquestioned and unassailable.
Point blank, any civil rights movement needs to have the support of as many of ALL of us as it can manage to attract. There's nothing at all top be gained by a protest in which blacks are marginalized and isolated away from the rest of the country to make these appeals for justice alone. We should welcome and appreciate these expressions of support with open arms and refrain from categorizing each racial group into cynical, opportunistic boxes. If we expect black voices to be taken at face value, we must certainly hold the same expectation for our white allies in this struggle.
MLK once said, "Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality."
White Americans who join in these protests are correct in understanding that justice, equal treatment, and an end to police brutality against blacks will ultimately benefit their own causes for justice, equal treatment, and police accountability. Conversely, blacks must surely understand that their white counterpart's quest for these will ultimately advantage their own aims.
This isn't a co-opting of the struggle; it's a joining of forces. I'm suspicious and wary of any appeal or motivation which tries to separate us into racial stereotypes and caricatures to further some ideal. Such rhetoric and reasoning is antithetical to the very notion of civil rights, and it should be an obvious harbinger that its logic or reasoning is leading in the wrong direction.
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