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OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:06 PM Dec 2014

If no one will claim inserting the Citibank provision into the spending bill then it is not legal.

Who's to say that it wasn't some staffer who just decided to take it upon themselves. No measure can be passed without someone who is authorized to insert legislation and we would win a law suit. That's what my neighbor just said and I agree so, either whoever did it needs to come forward or Harry Reid must declare it void.

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If no one will claim inserting the Citibank provision into the spending bill then it is not legal. (Original Post) OregonBlue Dec 2014 OP
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #1
It was Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kansas) and he has gone into hiding ever since. DetlefK Dec 2014 #2
Kickin' Faux pas Dec 2014 #3
North Central Oregon. Middle of nowhere but that's what I like. South of The Dalles, North of Bend OregonBlue Dec 2014 #4
Lol Faux pas Dec 2014 #5
Very nice. A little cloudy in the winter but such a gorgeous part of Oregon. Of course the OregonBlue Dec 2014 #11
Yes we are! Faux pas Dec 2014 #18
Not that I disagree, but ... dumbcat Dec 2014 #6
There is no legal support for the OP's claim. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #9
I think it is fucked up but I doubt it is "illegal". Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #7
Your neighbor shouldn't quit his day job, and Kevin Yoder inserted the provision... PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #8
So if Yoder had not done it, you are saying anyone can insert a provision into a bill. Actually, I OregonBlue Dec 2014 #10
What matters is the head count of people who voted for it. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #12
Committees draft the final version of a bill for consideration and who knows how things get added. PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #13
If it's a floor amendment it has to have a sponsor who can take the floor Recursion Dec 2014 #14
Oh, I thought it was a floor amendment. Oh well, it's disgusting however it happened. OregonBlue Dec 2014 #16
EDIT: it was a committee amendment, in June Recursion Dec 2014 #17
Besides all of the other problems, the courts will *never* adjudicate legislative process Recursion Dec 2014 #15

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. It was Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kansas) and he has gone into hiding ever since.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:11 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/kevin-yoder-wall-street-bailout_n_6329784.html?ir=Politics

Quote from article:
"Yoder has been mum about the spending package since it passed the House. His office hasn't responded to multiple requests for comment on why he slipped the Citigroup language into it. The press statements on his website say nothing about the provision or the spending bill. There are no posts about it on his Facebook page. He's said nothing in his Twitter feed."

And it seems, his republican constituents aren't too happy with him either.




I think, "key-architect of the next Wall Street-bailout" has a nice ring to it.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
4. North Central Oregon. Middle of nowhere but that's what I like. South of The Dalles, North of Bend
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:16 PM
Dec 2014

Closest traffic light is 35 miles away. Perfect. And you?

Faux pas

(14,664 posts)
5. Lol
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:19 PM
Dec 2014

halfway between Lincoln City and Otis. Almost perfect except for summer traffic. Nice to meet you

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
11. Very nice. A little cloudy in the winter but such a gorgeous part of Oregon. Of course the
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:15 PM
Dec 2014

whole state is beautiful. It's high and dry where I live but very, very beautiful. On the White River in the rain shadow of Mount Hood. We are all so lucky to live here!!

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
6. Not that I disagree, but ...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:21 PM
Dec 2014
No measure can be passed without someone who is authorized to insert legislation and we would win a law suit.

Is there some provision in the Constitution, or U.S. Code, or case law to support that claim?

Shouldn't it be assumed that the legislators read what they are voting on? We know they don't, but shouldn't they?
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. I think it is fucked up but I doubt it is "illegal".
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:24 PM
Dec 2014

Please provide a reference for your assertion that this breaks any law, senate rule, or constitutional provision.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
10. So if Yoder had not done it, you are saying anyone can insert a provision into a bill. Actually, I
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:12 PM
Dec 2014

don't think they can. I thought (while a staff person might actually take it to the clerk) it had to be in the name of a member of congress. If not, what's to stop me from inserting a provision if I want to?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
12. What matters is the head count of people who voted for it.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:18 PM
Dec 2014

They have a word for stupid shit written by lobbyists and approved by the governing body; "laws".

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
13. Committees draft the final version of a bill for consideration and who knows how things get added.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:49 PM
Dec 2014

A large amount of bills are written mostly by lobbyists. Just because no one takes direct blame/credit
for a portion of a final bill making it out of a committee doesn't in any way invalidate it.
A few bills have passed with provisions no one was willing to admit they were responsible for (no one
seems to be sure who wrote certain parts of the 1,000+ page PPACA for example).

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. If it's a floor amendment it has to have a sponsor who can take the floor
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:25 PM
Dec 2014

If it's a committee amendment, then there's no particular need for that, and effectively the committee chair is the member who "adds" all language.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Besides all of the other problems, the courts will *never* adjudicate legislative process
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:26 PM
Dec 2014

Each chamber sets its own rules and is responsible for maintaining them; I can't think of any court that would step in to that morass.

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