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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 09:48 AM Dec 2014

Marco Rubio says Pope Francis isn’t for “freedom”

Rubio expressed his rather lengthy scolding of the Catholic pontiff today after President Obama revealed a Pope-brokered plan for the United States to resume diplomatic relations with Cuba.

“I would also ask His Holiness to take up the cause of freedom and democracy, which is critical for a free people — for a people to truly be free,” Rubio told reporters, according to TPM.

“I think the people of Cuba deserve the same chances to have democracy as the people of Argentina have had, where he comes from; as the people of Italy have, where he now lives. Obviously the Vatican’s its own state, but very nearby. My point is I hope that people with that sort of prestige on the world stage will take up the cause of freedom and democracy.”


(But this is my favorite part of the article):

While growing up initially Catholic, Rubio then became a Mormon, then switched back to Catholicism, then became a Southern Baptist and a Catholic, then left the Baptists and simply became a Catholic, then he became a Baptist again, then a Catholic again, all the while technically remaining a Mormon.



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Marco Rubio says Pope Francis isn’t for “freedom” (Original Post) kpete Dec 2014 OP
Rubio's faith: Catholic->Mormon->Catholic->Southern Baptist + Catholic->Catholic + Mormon. CJCRANE Dec 2014 #1
He has the "freedom" to join any religion he chooses. Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #10
Rubio's religion is Greed. Scuba Dec 2014 #23
What gets me about that argument is that we've been trying it their way for 70 years? el_bryanto Dec 2014 #2
Strenght is measured in the number of "rubes" in agreement Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #12
You just don't get it... Glassunion Dec 2014 #18
What a pussy bigdarryl Dec 2014 #3
Jeezus, this guy is dumber than Bush, Perry, and Dan Quayle tularetom Dec 2014 #4
Yep! He has all the qualifications, therefore, to be a republican star! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2014 #6
I agree Renew Deal Dec 2014 #17
I must have missed whatever was rattling around in those two emply skulls. please enlighten us. niyad Dec 2014 #25
I think they each had a certain craftiness that mostly served them when out of office. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2014 #27
GHW was no idiot. hifiguy Dec 2014 #28
It makes no sense... JaneyVee Dec 2014 #5
Wut? BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #7
Good thing he didn't join Isis since once you join then they don't let you still_one Dec 2014 #8
Marco is covering all hiis bases isn't he? KinMd Dec 2014 #9
Is There Any Explanation Of His Jumping Around The Religions Like He Does Or Is He Just..... global1 Dec 2014 #11
I'll say this for Rubio, he's the only person who has managed to put me on the Pope's side in an Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #13
He senses his moment n2doc Dec 2014 #14
Mark Rubio will be long forgotten as a mistake before the pope is Renew Deal Dec 2014 #15
HappyMe says Marco Rubio has his head up his ass. HappyMe Dec 2014 #16
Trying them all on to see which gets him the most votes. blm Dec 2014 #32
All I can say is... KaryninMiami Dec 2014 #19
I was hoping someone would point out this dweeb's 'spiritual journey' Confuse-A-Dork. CurtEastPoint Dec 2014 #20
I think Rubio confuses "freedom and democracy" with "Republican" world wide wally Dec 2014 #21
... napkinz Dec 2014 #22
Nightmare...yup. Historic NY Dec 2014 #26
Like every Republican, the only "faith" Rubio has is in SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #24
I am sure Francis could not care less what Kermit J. Whitebread thinks. hifiguy Dec 2014 #29
He and the other GOP idiots were all in love with the Papacy when their guy was in office. 47of74 Dec 2014 #30
Rubio trying to figure out which 'faith' will get him the most votes….LOL blm Dec 2014 #31
Hope he's on the 2016 ticket! Mike Nelson Dec 2014 #33
Isn't the Pope also a Marxist? Matrosov Dec 2014 #34
that's par for the course for Latin America: whenever the clergy start speaking out MisterP Dec 2014 #35
This is the fight he wants to pick? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2014 #36

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
1. Rubio's faith: Catholic->Mormon->Catholic->Southern Baptist + Catholic->Catholic + Mormon.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 09:51 AM
Dec 2014

That's an interesting journey.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
10. He has the "freedom" to join any religion he chooses.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:13 AM
Dec 2014

What is IMPORTANT here is how the right-wing
has co-opted "FREEDOM".

The right-wing frame is that they stand for "freedom"
anyone else is a "threat" to their definition of "freedom".

The right-wing authoritarians have twisted freedom
into an Orwellian context where Rubio can say:

"My point is I hope that people with that sort of prestige
on the world stage will take up the cause of freedom and democracy.”

Meanwhile; Rubio and his party are gerrymandering
elections, and destroying voters rights...
Yeah, "freedom and democracy"

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. What gets me about that argument is that we've been trying it their way for 70 years?
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 09:51 AM
Dec 2014

60 years? If it was going to bring freedom to the Cuban people wouldn't it have done so by now?

But that's the Republican party, where the appearance of strength is possibly more important than actual strength.

Bryant

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
12. Strenght is measured in the number of "rubes" in agreement
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:28 AM
Dec 2014

as long as the right-wing followers
bobble-head in agreement, they have strength.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
18. You just don't get it...
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:42 AM
Dec 2014

If it fails for 60 years, you just aren't trying hard enough. We need more defense spending and tougher sanctions so we can go down there and democracy the living shit out of them.

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
17. I agree
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:37 AM
Dec 2014

Bush and Quayle had at least something rattling around. Rubio just sounds naive. He's repeating talking points he doesn't understand.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
25. I must have missed whatever was rattling around in those two emply skulls. please enlighten us.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:47 PM
Dec 2014

don't forget that quayle couldn't spell "potato", and didn't realize that "murphy brown" was fiction.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. GHW was no idiot.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 03:07 PM
Dec 2014

His problem was, that as Gore Vidal once observed of him, he had told so many lies to so many people for so many years he could never figure out which lie was operative in any given situation and sounded like a boob while he stumbled around trying to sort it all out.

Quayle on the other hand was just another entitled moron with a very rich daddy. He couldn't have poured piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel, to borrow one of LBJ's more pungent descriptions of some pol.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
5. It makes no sense...
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 09:59 AM
Dec 2014

Rubio is against Castro illegally detaining people yet blocks every attempt to close Guantanamo Bay.

global1

(25,241 posts)
11. Is There Any Explanation Of His Jumping Around The Religions Like He Does Or Is He Just.....
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:16 AM
Dec 2014

indecisive? What a good quality for a politician that wants to be president. (sarcasm)

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. I'll say this for Rubio, he's the only person who has managed to put me on the Pope's side in an
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:29 AM
Dec 2014

argument. His knowledge about the Vatican City and democracy is a bit thin, that's a throne the Pope sits on, not just a fancy chair, and until the mid 1800's the Vatican was secular ruler over the Papal States, a monarchy, perhaps a theocracy, but certainly not a democracy.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
14. He senses his moment
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:32 AM
Dec 2014

And is going for the "moran" title with Gusto! Little Ricky knows that is 15 minutes are on NOW!

Renew Deal

(81,855 posts)
15. Mark Rubio will be long forgotten as a mistake before the pope is
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:33 AM
Dec 2014

He's completely clueless. He doesn't have the experience of the older Cubans and he hasn't learned from past mistakes. He's like a wind up doll that claps his hands and repeats the same nonsense mindlessly. He's a clown.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
16. HappyMe says Marco Rubio has his head up his ass.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:33 AM
Dec 2014

What's the deal with all those religion switches.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
19. All I can say is...
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 10:43 AM
Dec 2014

What a schmuck. Taking on the Pope? Really? I'm not a Catholic but many people are and many others really respect this Pope. Not only are Rubio's views archaic, but also unpopular.
The fact that this asshat got elected here in FL is truly baffling but then again, we also have Rick Scott (schmuck and a criminal).

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
21. I think Rubio confuses "freedom and democracy" with "Republican"
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 11:09 AM
Dec 2014

If you switch the terms in his statement, it makes much more sense

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
24. Like every Republican, the only "faith" Rubio has is in
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 02:24 PM
Dec 2014

the almighty dollar.

We trade with other communist countries, it's time to get over the Bay Of Pigs.

And he wants to talk Freedom from the United States of Militarized Police? Really?

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
30. He and the other GOP idiots were all in love with the Papacy when their guy was in office.
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 03:10 PM
Dec 2014

Here's one example;

Sen. Marco Rubio R-Fla. praised Pope Benedict XVI this morning in a statement reacting to the news that he would resign at the end of the month.

“Today Pope Benedict XVI displayed the qualities of an excellent leader and a true man of God by putting the interests of the Vatican and the Catholic Church over his own papacy,” Rubio said. “Since becoming Pope in 2005, Pope Benedict XVI has served the Church honorably, particularly through his work promoting charity across the globe.”


These guys were all cheering when Benedict and his merry band of hardliners (Burke, et al) were doing their best to take the church back to the 16th century.

blm

(113,043 posts)
31. Rubio trying to figure out which 'faith' will get him the most votes….LOL
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 03:23 PM
Dec 2014

Just what the country needs, another dimwitted narcissist with more ambition than he has brains or integrity.

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
34. Isn't the Pope also a Marxist?
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 04:06 PM
Dec 2014

So I've heard from some right wingers. Amusing how they embrace religion, and yet when someone with the influence and stature of the Pope says something they don't like, suddenly he's a Marxist, isn't for freedom, and so on and so forth.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
35. that's par for the course for Latin America: whenever the clergy start speaking out
Fri Dec 19, 2014, 04:38 PM
Dec 2014

when they find a lot of dead peasants in a river or a grave full of people of one "party" they start saying they're better Christians than the bishops
even in the 30s, in fact

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